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beerptrol · 11-16-2018, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

I have to make a pitstop.... car needs a coal refuel.

thommy · 11-17-2018, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

its amazing that compressed air vehicles are not more popular...this is the simplest concept of all and although range is not great, they are incredibly easy to make and would be great for city transports...

it is quite hard to get a huge part of the energy back to use that you need to compress it.
but it makes sense to use free clean energy for that (like sun energy) that does not have really costs or emissions.

there is a way to get more out of it and I am thinking already 10 years on a theory that I could never approve yet because I am not a really tech-guy and handworker.

once I found one who can build my idea we will see if it will work.
but compressed air is in fact the cheapest thing to keep. it will not need any battery
with a limited lifetime and compression is still compression if you keep it for 50 years
somewhere. aluminium tanks have a near to unlimited lifetime.

thommy · 11-17-2018, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I remember that, also one of the Japanese car makers is going to offer a car power by hydrogen soon I believe. The thing with battery power is you have to charge it. That power has to come from somewhere and it's still a polutant. The materials for the batteries leaves a huge carbon footprint as well. Twatwaffles always get behind an idea that has a general appeal to it without looking at the dark side of it, sorta like the PPACA or Obamacare. Sure its great to have universal healthcare, but not at the expence of our economy and the fact it's failing under it's own weight.

unfortunately you have to deal with the chinese when it comes to that technology.

China's Hydrogen Tram - world's first hydrogen-powered tramcar

this is the big fact trump was overseeing when it comes to more jobs in NEW technologies.
but he is a climate change denier and this is something that effects the whole planet.
and this is exactly the reason why trump is not your private american issue.

from 2010 to 2017 the numbers of workers in renewable energies increased from 2,5 million to 10 miliion (+400% is only 7 years) til 2030 this number is expected to grow to
30 million people worldwide. and this is just the raw number based on the root industry.
this base industry in turn creates millions of jobs in the supply industry.

that's how economy works and that's how global trade works. and that's how the U.S. would be well equipped. that would be far more intelligent than waging nonsensical trade wars and believing that one country would benefit more than the others in this global economic cycle.

this thread here is the proof that even the most contradictory political camps (except for a few exceptions) recognize the necessity of rethinking.

Without letting this become a political discussion, we can already see here the contradiction in trump and the demands on the future.

it would be very nice if one could also conduct the pure political discussion on such a basis of facts. because here it is not about america but about the whole world of which america is only one part.

VRPdommy · 11-17-2018, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I have still never seen a Tesla charging station with my own eyes.
I know that for the last few years the casinos here in Vegas all have certain parking spots where you can plug your car in.

But I haven't seen any stand alone charging stations yet.

I did see that we have a Tesla dealership here in Vegas now over on Sahara Ave. Pretty cool. But I just can't get into the "Sedan" styling. The car lot just looks like a bunch of generic cars.
Wish they'd bring back the Roadster style.

I might be with you on the roadster but I really have not liked the style of many of the cars the last 10 year and more. Perhaps it is a thing that comes with age. LOL

If you had a Tesla, you would know where the chargers are !

I remember when diesels were showing up in cars here in the US, folks were saying where would you get fuel when traveling. I said in a way they would understand after buying one, "same place the big trucks get it "! Now it is more common as it has been elsewhere in the world.

I think their onboard GPS will tell you where the closest ones are. Very practical when traveling but you can recharge for free at a company recharge station. There are private (pay) stations as well.

I probably said this before but I see the best near term fix being a mix of 'plug-in electric' with half of the batteries and a smaller fuel cell and smaller composite tank.
You get the range without the weight and improves the overall efficiency & cost.

Do not discount Methane Fuel Cells. They are still being advanced and make perfect sense right now. The oil & power industry fears this most as their biggest near threat.
https://www.machinedesign.com/materi...l-temperatures

The design of electrics has not yet met it's premium. Tesla was the first to just make use of the common sense we already knew but didn't do. He used Li-ion battery cells already in the industry, so he did not have to design and manufacture his own. Same cells used in laptops etc. But now is going to be making his own outside of Sparks NV.
You need to get rid of the traditional drive train and put smaller motors directly in all 4 wheel hubs. Less moving parts to boot.

As far as alt energy fuel stations (efuel stations), they will come along the interstate highways first for long range commutes. But Plug-in electrics have a disadvantage of time to charge. Not to bad if paired up with a restaurant/fast food etc. This is continuously being improved.
But this is why I say a mix of plug-in battery with a fuel cell is the best approach right now. But in the future ??? The fuel cell just needs to be big enough to power the car at speed limit on the flat. Battery capacity needs to be just enough for 75-100 miles on the flats. A average commute.

Together, it would be the same as any other gas powered vehicle. For short travels, you might only need the plug-in option which could be from any charging source like solar. With a Hydrogen or Methane fuel cell, you get the range you need without stopping to recharge. If I owned a Tesla or other all electric, I would be finding a place to stuff a small one in there...LOL

Personally, I want a 4kw fuel cell for standby power at home. Little to pricey yet.

Before de-regulation, my electric rate was 8.65 cents a KWH, now it is almost 17 cents.
(delivered costs for both). And they are still crying they can't make money and want more...LOL Need something to keep this in check. I don't pay delivery on what I'm not buying. Solar worked for me. Even at that old high price I paid for it 20 years ago.

2MuchMark · 11-17-2018, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

If you had a Tesla, you would know where the chargers are !
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I think their onboard GPS will tell you where the closest ones are. Very practical when traveling but you can recharge for free at a company recharge station.

That is right. Displays in Tesla tell you where the chargers are, how many are available, etc. And if you plan a long trip, it will show you the route while telling you where you have to charge in order to make it to your destination, and provide alternatives at the same time. You can drive cross-country in a Tesla with charging stops no longer than 20 minutes.

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I probably said this before but I see the best near term fix being a mix of 'plug-in electric' with half of the batteries and a smaller fuel cell and smaller composite tank.
You get the range without the weight and improves the overall efficiency & cost.

My Chevy Volt is like that. Most of my driving is pure electric but a gas engine kicks in to turn a generator to charge the batteries to drive the wheels when the battery. (The gas engine never turns the wheels directly).

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

As far as alt energy fuel stations (efuel stations), they will come along the interstate highways first for long range commutes. But Plug-in electrics have a disadvantage of time to charge. Not to bad if paired up with a restaurant/fast food etc. This is continuously being improved.

Correct. Back to the Chevy Volt again, the new 2019 model charges to full capacity in just over 2 hours with a standard level 2 charger. And there are new battery technologies just coming out that charge even faster.

Robbie · 11-17-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Try one. They are cooler than they look.

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Already been in one. And yes they are very cool. But I like a much more aggressive style for the exterior.
I mean...my old Chevy Astro mini-van was so comfortable and luxurious inside it was like riding around in a Penthouse apt.
But it didn't look very cool from the outside! lol

I'll probably wait a few years to see how things shake out and if/when they come up with another cool sportscar styled vehicle.

In the meantime...I'm chomping at the bit for the new Shelby Mustang GT500 to finally be unleashed.

2MuchMark · 11-17-2018, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Already been in one. And yes they are very cool. But I like a much more aggressive style for the exterior.
I mean...my old Chevy Astro mini-van was so comfortable and luxurious inside it was like riding around in a Penthouse apt.
But it didn't look very cool from the outside! lol

I'll probably wait a few years to see how things shake out and if/when they come up with another cool sportscar styled vehicle.

In the meantime...I'm chomping at the bit for the new Shelby Mustang GT500 to finally be unleashed.

I have the perfect car for you. An electric AWD Mustang:

(It sure makes me jizz!)

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/15/...awd-uk-charge/

EDIT Actually fuck that. it's the perfect car for me! You can have my Volt, I'm buying an electric classic mustang. Fuck me that car sexy.

VRPdommy · 11-17-2018, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I have the perfect car for you. An electric AWD Mustang:

(It sure makes me jizz!)

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/15/...awd-uk-charge/

EDIT Actually fuck that. it's the perfect car for me! You can have my Volt, I'm buying an electric classic mustang. Fuck me that car sexy.

Way Cool !

NatalieK · 11-17-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Yeah and that idiot Obama was trying to kill the coal industry.

and that idiot Trump´s killing the planet with the coal industry

there´s wind, water & natural heat supplies like solar & source heating to generate electric...

NatalieK · 11-17-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

it is quite hard to get a huge part of the energy back to use that you need to compress it.
but it makes sense to use free clean energy for that (like sun energy) that does not have really costs or emissions.

there is a way to get more out of it and I am thinking already 10 years on a theory that I could never approve yet because I am not a really tech-guy and handworker.

once I found one who can build my idea we will see if it will work.
but compressed air is in fact the cheapest thing to keep. it will not need any battery
with a limited lifetime and compression is still compression if you keep it for 50 years
somewhere. aluminium tanks have a near to unlimited lifetime.

this

TheSquealer · 11-17-2018, 03:30 PM

NatalieK · 11-17-2018, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

this has to be incorrect...

portugal is now 100% solar & natural fuels

2MuchMark · 11-17-2018, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

this has to be incorrect...

portugal is now 100% solar & natural fuels

That chart is also almost 2 years old.

dillfly2000 · 11-17-2018, 06:02 PM

Most (earth based) natural resources are eventually going to run out. Best bet is to switch to something that can last as long as humans are alive.

-inebriated post-

astronaut x · 11-17-2018, 06:16 PM

TheSquealer · 11-17-2018, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

this has to be incorrect...

portugal is now 100% solar & natural fuels

So,... when you look at that chart... you see Portugal somewhere on it, .. and that's how you've deduced that the data must be faulty?

Congrats to the EU for going backwards though.

Jesus.

Robbie · 11-17-2018, 09:31 PM

Damn it, that Mustang sells for $225,000

VRPdommy · 11-17-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

this has to be incorrect...

portugal is now 100% solar & natural fuels

I always hate charts like this as they mislead many.
I always look for the correct perspective when shown them and disregard them as skewed data if I can't get it.
If you look at it close, and double read the text,
It says Changes in Carbon emissions.
Meaning you made more or less compared to some other reference in time (not clear when), and how much difference more or less.
Your not getting the baseline information.
And your not getting what qualifies as a carbon emission or how big the sample data is.

I'm not saying the data is wrong, just that it looks nothing like a authoritative chart I would make decisions from. (they have made no trustable impression on me)

If I were to believe that chart, I would ask what was the big change decreasing those emissions in the US. 'cause I don't see it.
While we are not burning 'as much' coal, we made up for that in Nat Gas and you generate about as much Carbon doing so, just not a lot of the other crap they have to deal with like sulfur dioxide, arsenic and mercury let alone those tiny particles (under 5 microns) they have yet to figure out how to deal with.

Any economy that is growing is naturally is going to be making more of it faster than we can deal with it.

But...
I 'never' bought the CO2 argument to begin with. But that is not saying that man has not done a lot of damage in creating a warming planet faster than it was occurring naturally. Just not from CO2. My opinion anyway.

2MuchMark · 11-18-2018, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Damn it, that Mustang sells for $225,000

That's actually not too bad...

In Montreal there's a place that sells only classic cars. I was always a Firebird fan and when I heard they had some I went to check them out, but they were all selling for over $100,000. Firebirds! $100k! They had some 60's Mustangs too at over $160k but I don't know them well and couldn't tell you what they were exactly.

Anyway If I saw 2 Mustangs like the electric one above, 1 electric and 1 not, I would be all over the electric one. Sure the ICE one would have a killer rumble, but I would still be itching to take the EV home and give it some Marky-love.

VRPdommy · 11-18-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Damn it, that Mustang sells for $225,000

VRPdommy · 11-18-2018, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

That's actually not too bad...

In Montreal there's a place that sells only classic cars. I was always a Firebird fan and when I heard they had some I went to check them out, but they were all selling for over $100,000. Firebirds! $100k! They had some 60's Mustangs too at over $160k but I don't know them well and couldn't tell you what they were exactly.

Anyway If I saw 2 Mustangs like the electric one above, 1 electric and 1 not, I would be all over the electric one. Sure the ICE one would have a killer rumble, but I would still be itching to take the EV home and give it some Marky-love.

I like quite.
That extra rumble just gets me in trouble. Silent and deadly !
No need to turn heads when you are up to no good.

Robbie · 11-18-2018, 11:12 AM

No way my wife would let me spend that much money

Damn it.

VRPdommy · 11-21-2018, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

No way my wife would let me spend that much money

Damn it.

Perhaps start with a new wife ?
Just kidding.
I see toyota is ramping up adds pushing Hydrogen car "Mirai"
You can see from this vid the results of that earlier research on dispensing the fuel.
It looks like they went for a double standard. Basically 2 pressures.
3500psi and 7000psi and some safety checks to allow self serve.
So they did not have to re-invent the wheel on that since most compressed gas tanks are 3600 and 10000 psi.
Still going to be hard to expand on this. They do need the east coast to be onboard also.
Then they can start the distribution to fit the interstate in between. I would consider it viable at that point. We shall see if they can get enough folks onboard in CA first.
Glad to see it move and hopeful it will. Still need to get the cost down. That will come when competition and more players get in on it.

VRPdommy · 11-21-2018, 08:30 AM

I got to see one of these prototypes (50 in all I believe) about 3 years ago.
Yes, I want one. Not one of the production models if they go through with it, I want one of the prototypes as a collector. I don't know if they are showing them off around the country still or not, but if you get the chance, go see it !

2MuchMark · 11-21-2018, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I got to see one of these prototypes (50 in all I believe) about 3 years ago.
Yes, I want one. Not one of the production models if they go through with it, I want one of the prototypes as a collector. I don't know if they are showing them off around the country still or not, but if you get the chance, go see it !

Love this bike.

VRPdommy · 11-21-2018, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Love this bike.

I went looking for the latest on livewire after that post and they are to put it into production.
Specs and pricing TBA Jan 2019.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/07/ha...ic-motorcycle/

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e.../livewire.html

2MuchMark · 11-21-2018, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I went looking for the latest on livewire after that post and they are to put it into production.
Specs and pricing TBA Jan 2019.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/07/ha...ic-motorcycle/

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e.../livewire.html

When I saw the first Transformers movie back in 2008 and they revealed the new Chevy Camaro, my jaw dropped and I knew I had to get one. And when it was finally made available 2-3 years later, I bought one.

And then when I saw Avengers Age of Ultron and I saw the Harley Davidson LiveWire Bike, My jaw dropped again.

Just listen to the sound of that bike. It's so sexy. Alot better than the stupid-loud-fart-sounds they make now.

JFK · 11-22-2018, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

God dammit I want to get drunk with you...

I test drove a roadster a long time ago. It was fast and fun, but it was a little too small for my 6'3" frame.

But even though the Model S is a Sedan, it's freakin' fast, and it feels very much like a real sports car. In fact I'd say its cooler than that. The exterior says sedan. But the speed, handling and acceleration are sick, sick sick. Even the base models are exceptional.

Love them ................

JFK · 11-22-2018, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

Take my money !!!!

VRPdommy · 11-22-2018, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

When I saw the first Transformers movie back in 2008 and they revealed the new Chevy Camaro, my jaw dropped and I knew I had to get one. And when it was finally made available 2-3 years later, I bought one.

And then when I saw Avengers Age of Ultron and I saw the Harley Davidson LiveWire Bike, My jaw dropped again.

Just listen to the sound of that bike. It's so sexy. Alot better than the stupid-loud-fart-sounds they make now.

Yea, Sexy it is. One of the first things I noticed.
All of my bikes have been extremely quite, but down to just one now.
All of my cars are very quite. I have no reason to turn heads and have anyone look.
I know what they have. Making a bunch of noise just gets people excited.
Including me, I hate it. I like to hear all of the mechanics moving as they should.

But, I had had hopes that these electric bikes could be fitted with a small fuel cell.
And they can, just nobody has done it yet. Perhaps the next gen when we have stations to refuel. Then range and charge time will not be any issue at all.

but gotta say I get fatigue on a bike after 2 hours. Probably would be different on a fully dressed bike.

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VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 10,968	I got to see one of these prototypes (50 in all I believe) about 3 years ago. Yes, I want one. Not one of the production models if they go through with it, I want one of the prototypes as a collector. I don't know if they are showing them off around the country still or not, but if you get the chance, go see it !