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Immigration activists, federal officials and reporters wrestled Wednesday with interpretations of a White House memo authorizing “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary)” by the troops deployed on the border with Mexico.

The directive specified the purposes for which force could be used as “crowd control, temporary detention and cursory search.” Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Secretary of Defense James Mattis downplayed the likelihood of a serious clash, saying he envisioned the use of troops for “minutes” as a first response to an emergent threat. Enforcement will continue to be the responsibility of customs and Border Patrol officers.

The directive, which was first reported by the Military Times, immediately raised concerns about the role of approximately 5,900 U.S. troops that were rushed to the southwest border last month to confront groups of mostly Central American migrants traveling in caravans through Mexico toward the United States.

In what was viewed by many as a political ploy ahead of the midterm elections, President Trump ordered the troops to the border as a show of force against the migrant caravans, which at that point were still several weeks away from the U.S. Trump described the refugees as an “invasion” and an imminent national security threat.

“The fear-mongering tactic of sending soldiers to the border for a danger that doesn’t exist is now being extended to stoking tensions with threats of lethal force,” said Jonathan Ryan, executive director of the Texas-based nonprofit Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services, or RAICES. “This is costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, and for what? To rally a base based on racist and xenophobic lies? And to deny people their legal right to asylum?”

Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, called the latest memo “an unnecessary escalation of a political stunt that risks harm to civilians and legal jeopardy for the military.”

“In addition to serious concerns about violation of the Posse Comitatus Act, it’s hard to see how John Kelly, a civilian White House official, has the authority to issue any such order,” she said, referring to initial reports that the directive issued to Mattis had been sent not by President Trump but by White House chief of staff John Kelly. On Wednesday afternoon, however, Newsweek reported that the order issued by Kelly was preceded by a “decision memorandum” signed by the president.

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BaldBastard

They won't need to use force, the 7500 border security and highly trained military have spent hundreds of millions to unravel 4 miles of razor wire and that will stop them.

bronco67

Am I wrong to think Trump is really hoping for an incident? Just picture him being nervous about a child or soldier dying...you can't do it.

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beerptrol

He is, the noose is tightening and he's getting desperate.

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Bladewire

It's not razor wire

It's Bladewire

BaldBastard

Nah it can't be, that stuff is designed so at team of 4 can layout 2 miles a day of it


Be like sending 500 to change a light bulb... You know one to climb a ladder with a bulb and 499 to lift the house and turn it around... Amerika. !

Rochard

People are already calling for John Kelly to resign, which is a first. He was well respected even with Democrats.

This will never fly.

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just a punk

And what's the problem? The borders must be secured by the army and course that soldiers have a right to kill an intruder. I thought it's a usual practice for any country.

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BaldBastard

Just Russia I think

astronaut x

Trump is losing the military. Hearts and minds....he is losing them.

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just a punk

Hmm.. So other countries do not use its army to secure the borders? So what can I say... idiots.

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Rochard

Acepimp

The clueless lefties are in favor of human trafficking, criminal gang members, and violent drug cartels. It's very strange.

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TheSquealer

Day 2 of North Korea destroying guard towers and fences between North and South Korea... and somehow all the Leftists here are 100% quiet on this historic event and more and more steps towards peace on the Korean Peninsula.

Orange... Man.... Bad!

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brassmonkey

both sides make money from all of above! there are a bunch of republicans that own private prisons

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TheSquealer

I've learned in life that there is a very simple way to stay out of prison. Oddly, all you have to do is obey the law.

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Rochard

RedFred

We know. You love nothing more than to watch gi joes shoot people that are different than you, think different than you, and people that you simply don't agree with. It's what makes you the lowest form of scum on the planet. And you can't comprehend why you have so much in common with Nazi's.

TheSquealer

People like you are so easy. I say something or post a stupid pic to trigger you... and you fire back with "racist", "Nazi" etc. as a default response,... because you're angry, bitter, weak and simple.

You're too lazy or simple minded to even form an argument or position on anything. You go straight to vicious hate by default. You and your behavior represents the worst in humanity and have convinced yourself that you are at the height of morality.

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Rochard

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RedFred

Just own who you are. Everyone else can see it, about time you saw it too.

TheSquealer

Oh.. rather than offer any hard evidence, you just announce that "everyone" knows, therefore it's an undeniable truth - in spite of zero evidence to support this truth.

You sound like all those religious nuts you hate so much.

funny that "everyone" can see it. No one can give examples or prove it... but its just an "undeniable truth" in your feeble mind... like with all the similar far Left idiots like you on this forum which have completely run any business discussion out of here with your daily "Orange Man Bad" manic posting

You are the perfect example of the Left in the USA and how they have completely gone off the rails. You guys can't even form a well reasoned argument anymore. 20+ years of participation trophies and being told your a "winner" just for showing up and all the other efforts to build your unearned self esteem has left you and yours confused... you think feelings are fact. You think that if you feel it, you must be right. You think you don't even need to think or argue a point. You just wait for CNN to tell you what to feel that day and off you go, calling everyone racist and nazi like a babbling moron.

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Acepimp

He's someone who prefers LEGAL immigration. What's wrong with that?

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crockett

We aren't North Koreans.. we dont kill people for crossing a line in the sand.

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DonaldNee

Thought it was always allowed? :o

RedFred

You think Nazi's don't exist, racists don't exist, republicans won the midterms, Trumps has a higher approval rating than Obama, etc, etc. You are in a constant state of delusion and it is useless in having any type of normal conversation with you other than helping you get the help you so desperately need before you fall into the abyss (maybe you already have). Does your country not have mental health treatment available?

Delusional Disorder

just a punk

Because your cops kill American citizens instead:



Yes, you are North Korea, because even that fascist country can not be compared with the USA by the number of civilians killed by police. Do you know that there are more inmates in the US prisons TODAY than commie Soviet Union had in GULAGs during the Great Stalins's terror of 1937? Surprised?

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Bladewire

That's why I blocked him ages ago.

You can't have a logical conversation with him because he just runs around in circles contradicting himself over and over and over again and over and over again and when you point it out, he denies it.

There is no linear structured conversation with him. He's fueled by emotion and says whatever feels good to him in the moment whether it's true or not is irrelevant to him.

If I want to see someone constantly lie and contradict themselves I'd just watch a Trump rally.

RedFred

He's no different than watching a Trump rally. If his type weren't so dangerous it would be comical. This is the problem with cult members, they believe the lies and delusions 110% without question and facts are irrelevant and they think anyone that's not in their cult are the enemy. Cult leaders throughout history loved his kind and couldn't have succeeded without people like him.

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LOL @ BladeFred/RedWire

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RedFred

Case in point.

Acepimp

You mentally challenged leftists think there are nazis everywhere, racists everywhere, all Trump fans are racist homophobes- You've been duped by the lying MSM. No one is saying that neo-nazis don't exist. We're saying there's only a few dozen or a few hundred. It's an insignificant number of these dumb dipshits, but the media plays it up, gives them coverage in order to scare gullible people. HERE this video explains in detail:

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Bladewire

Yep lol

The alt-right hate fake nic troll on GFY always gives himself away. One of the things he does is he calls anyone who doesn't support Trump a "leftist".

His mind is too weak & foggy to see individuals, including Republicans & independents who've left Trump & vote Democrat now.

He's also obsessive compulsive and has to have the last word.

TheSquealer

Never said anything like this... not ever.

Like almost anything you guys say, is just an immature emotional rant with no basis in fact, saying things that are clearly not true and lying to establish a position, no matter how fake or demonstrably false it might be.... you're just a bunch of crazy leftists screaming at the clouds and who want the world to believe that you suddenly have racists under your beds and nazi's in your closets... therefore, your unchecked stupidity and irrational behavior is justified.... and that Trump is the reason you have the psychological issues you have.

Trump is not the cause of your insane behavior, Trump is the catalyst which exposed exactly who and what you are.

The single greatest outcome of a Trump Presidency is that it has fully exposed how truly delusional, hateful and unhinged the Left is.

The new face of the Left in the US....

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Rochard

TheSquealer

Oh... and Orange Man Bad!

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beerptrol

They should authorize the use of deadly force at those neo nazi rallies, but that would mean culling his voters!

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RedFred

What are you saying? Nazi's and racists don't exist?




Yea you've only repeated this about a thousand times. I notice since the midterms though you leave off the part where you say "This is why the dems will never win another election".




Fucking delusional fuck.