astronaut x

What happened to the migrant caravan? Supposedly they were going to just red rover their way in... but they didn't. Same as the years before. They didn't get in. They are not getting in. They were never going to get in.

How much did we spend?

And it did nothing for Trump and the midterms. Trump is a complete failure.

Weak on foreign policy. Our enemies have never laughed so fucking hard.

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Fox said the group was full of / Terrorists/ MS13/ Criminal Gangs/ Violent Offenders, they much disease even Ebola , Trump said they're criminals and rapists and so he tear gassed them, well the kids at least.


Good news is 5000 of the military is having a Mexican Chriatmas

_Richard_

aren't they camped out at the border?

directfiesta

Imagine what would of happe ned if the USA had NO wall ........

Busty2

The only reason Chump wants a wall is so that he can put his name on it. All he cares about is getting his name on things. He is unbelievably insecure !

Paul Markham

So Trump stopping them at the border was a failure. They all walked in.

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pimpmaster9000

what happened to the migrants? the same thing that happened to the sudden pre election promise of tax cuts

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thommy

trump told them to wait a bit until they enter the country illegally because he has other problems to solve. away from that all positions for illegal immigrants in his golf clubs are occupied.

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Bladewire

FoxNews doesn't even have the caravan on the front page

Thousands of troops at the border missed Thanksgiving, and will miss Christmas, for a political stunt. Trump extended their stay until January.

thommy

oh - how could they do that without military and nukes and tanks ?

maybe because they did it the same way as all the years before with the police and border patrol?
while the military is playing poker in their tents

but looks really dangerous and the best is to see in this video.
Take a good look at WHO's pulling the barbed wire.
apparently there is a lack of trained workers in the usa, because they need mexicans to do the job.

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aimike

thank god they weren't let in

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King Mark

Way more came in since the caravan arrived than the population of the caravan. Caravan was just a bunch of unwitting people duped into a media stunt to deflect from Trump's legal situations. It didn't work. Meanwhile, the caravanners are waiting by the border for legal asylum paperwork while legally working in Mexico with visas.

Rochard

Troops are still on the border protecting us from the barefoot women and children - Opps, I mean MS13.

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Busty2

Yep another broken promise !

huey

Is it possible they could not get into the country illegally and are now going through the proper points of entry and claiming asylum?

Not very exciting but probably whats happening.

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They are applying for Jobs at Trump owned properties

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Paul Markham

This is more anti Trump bullshit. Nothing was said when Obama and Bush did the same.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/03/p...ush/index.html

Please educate anti Trumpers educate yourselves.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=WJ8...10.YMnL4ah4ESM

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Bladewire

A month ago I posted links here about Obama & Bush sending troops and how nothing happened.

You posted in that thread.

Now you act like this is new info.

Trump launched teargas at barefoot mothers with barefoot children you moron. Trump made a political spectacle of the caravan, Obama did not. Obama sent the national guard. Trump sent military troops. Not exactly the same.

Your mind is so simple you ignore the common sense we post , or are you forgetting?

https://gfy.com/22357341-post3.html

thommy

fist of all it is not the same to send national guard or a war army to do that.

2nd: if 2 people have done it before and stopped later because they found out that it is ineffective and cost a lot - WHO is then the dumb? the 2 that tried or the thiord one who want to do the same mistake again ?

that´s the fucking same as with the tax cuts - these are not the first tax cuts ever made. a few presidents did it before and cancelled it later because the debt went to the sky.

and again trump is doing what is proven wrong already.
so WHO is the dumb apart from you ?

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2MuchMark

Trump took advantage of those poor people & their situation, and spent millions of tax dollars displacing military people just to get a few extra cheers at his rallies, and scare people into voting for anyone with a big (R) before their name.

Rochard

Once again you completely fail to understand the situation.

Yes prior Presidents have done the same. And it was wrong when they did it too. It was a massive waste of money, and the troops end up in minor support roles dealing with garbage and cleaning up horse stalls.

But there is a huge difference. Prior Presidents did not have a huge anti immigration platform, and at the same time proper did their job with deporting illegals and did so with dignity instead of setting up prison camps for children.

At the same time, while there is a lot of talk about ICE the truth is the Trump administration is failing to handle the illegal immigration system properly. The US Border Patrol here is the key to the problem, it's understaffed and not working properly. The Trump administration is spending a lot of money to fix the problem without any results:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...-report-finds/

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I didn't forget, just thought some on this board needed reminding.

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Paul Markham

The migrant caravans have done it before and keep doing the same.

Yes the tax cuts are wrong. Americans have to pay more tax to meet the ever growing needs they face.

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Paul Markham

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-controversial

The Democrats want ICE closed. Separating children from adults is probably the safest thing for the children. The safest thing is not to bring them in as illegal aliens. But you are right prior Presidents did not have a huge anti immigration platform. This President wants better controls on who comes in, are you disagreeing with him?

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Bladewire

Stop lying Paul

We are not closing ICE.

You really need to get out you're neck deep in propoganda lies. A few fringe Democrats don't run our party.

You know this. You're taking cheap shots and spreading lies because you're backed into a corner being intellectually dishonest.

Bladewire

Stop lying Paul.

You specifically said "This is more anti Trump bullshit. Nothing was said when Obama and Bush did the same."

Stop lying to rewrite the history you wish was real.

Trump made the caravan a big deal to get votes during the midterms.

Trump tweeted about it daily.

FoxNews ran 24/7 coverage.

If you have problems with why it was made such a big deal when it's been done before it's because Trump wanted it to be a big deal to scare people & get votes. Blame Trump for the buildup & drama.

thommy

paul the circle is like this:

1. to pay tax you have to make profit

2. to make profit you need few costs
a. few or no interest on debt (or better no debt)
b. buying materials cheaper (if not from your hometown than somewhere else)
c. let people do the low skilled work for a very low price - if you can not find them
IN the country you have to use the global options

3. sell a product or service to an affordable and compatible price to the whole world

4. to sell things to the whole world a tradewar will not be helpful because
a. a buying country have also to sell before they can buy
b. a country what is attacked with a trade war will not help the attacking country

tell me ONE rule trump respected.

and tell me ONE single positive result !!!!

imports in US a increasing exports are decreasing.
debt is flying to the moon
personal debt is higher than ever in the history
trading balance is worse than ever
jobmarket-bubble will explode soon as the boom of the new house sales is over and the index on the level on 2008. car sales negative jobs will be eliminated. jobmarket in the
farming is already on a new low.


remember one thing: we are in december now. the month with the highest personal spendings in the year. this numbers you will read in january.
but wait one single month more to february and than WAKE UP !!!


he is a clown in economy skills same you. the only difference between you and him is that you are NOT the US president and you are not able to make the mistakes you wish to do for you (what is your right) and for all the others who did nothing wrong (and this is NOT your right and also not trump´s)
but HE CAN !!!

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Rochard

Once again, you completely fail to understand what is happening.

In the past when illegals were found in the country they were given a court date, and it was handled through the legal system. This worked - Something like 98% of people showed up for their court dates, and either worked on becoming a US citizen or were deported.

ICE, on the other hand, was set up for "identifying and eliminating border, economic, transportation, and infrastructure security vulnerabilities". They also have "special response teams" for some cases where they need to arrest hardened criminals who have committed serious crimes such as murder, robbery, and rape. Instead, these SRTs are now working on routine enforcement. They are arresting people at schools and hospitals. This is the equivalent of sending in the FBI into your work place and dragging you out by force in handcuffs because you got a traffic ticket.

This is a waste of time, money, and effort. We are dedicating a team of officers - up to a dozen - to track and arrest a single person.

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astronaut x

You are so unbelievably dumb... I am starting to regret having ever defended you for anything in the past.

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No.. The Democrats do NOT want ICE closed. There are a couple Dems who would like that to happen, but the rest that have talked about ICE say it is being mismanaged. Even people in ICE believe it is being mismanaged and not being used effectively.

Done with you.

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VRPdommy

Along the western sectors of the border, a majority of asylum seekers are coming legally

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/10/18134...aravan-illegal

astronaut x

This.

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Yes, but they wanted to give the impression (convince you) they were coming to storm the border.

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Axeman

Wrong.

https://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-court-data-s/

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Paul Markham

The Guardian is spreading lies.

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Paul Markham

So it's all about companies and fuck the people. The people pay the most taxes. You're the clown.

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Paul Markham

So illegal migrants should be ignored?

Once again, you completely fail to understand what is happening.

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Posting links to an alternative POV is dumb. Gotya.

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Paul Markham

The Guardian lied, I posted their story.

More links for you to trawl. https://www.google.com/search?source...21.Fm8npNvg6kk

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The videos and pictures showed they were storming the borders. Would they have succeeded if no one was there to stop them?

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Paul Markham

Stopping illegal migrants at the border is a big deal. Or do you think they should be allowed in under Trump and kept out under other Presidents?

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VRPdommy

Well that is a no-brain'r...
What I don't see in the news is GUNS SEX DISEASE and CRIMINAL VIOLENCE at the border.

But I do see 5,000 us troops their needlessly, except to set-up tents and some provision logistics and the like. 500 could have managed that. But it is the impression on the public who do not know they can't be used as police on us soil.

If anyone gets the chance, ask a illegal how they came here. Not all, but many have some extremely interesting stories to tell. I can only think that for some, if they want in here that bad, should be given citizenship.

After all, what we really are dealing with here is the act of making many who have been here 10, 20 years or more citizenship so they can be payed a legal wage and pay taxes.

Something those on the right resist to keep the cheap labor going. No change is what they really want. Every time there is even the looks of a compromise, they throw a monkey wrench to it.

That's how they get the votes to stop it and the money to keep it as is.