Ten terrorists arrested at the US Mexico border

[Rochard]

Today during his live televised meeting where Trump threatened to not fund the US government over Christmas, Trump made a small announcement that went unnoticed. Thankfully the watchful hawks at the Patriot Newsletter was paying attention and properly reported on it.....

Border Patrol Arrests Ten Terrorists At The US Mexico Border – Patriot Newsletter

I am not making this up. Trump said during the meeting that the Border Patrol caught ten terrorists. Of course he failed to say anything else about it.

Here is the only article I can find about it:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...s-terror-claim

Cutting edge reporting kids! (Now on Facebook AND Twitter too!)

[Rochard]

Here we go.... Here is an article about it....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factc...Pn3H?ocid=News

[TheSquealer]

from the article you posted because you're not very smart.


A statement from Customs and Border Patrol

"On average last year, DHS prevented 10 individuals tied to terror—known or suspected terrorists—each day from traveling or attempting to travel to the United States. These are individuals that hit against U.S. terror watchlists. This is in addition to the 17,000 criminals and 3,000 special interest aliens that CBP apprehended at the border last year,” the statement said."

[King Mark]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

from the article you posted because you're not very smart.


A statement from Customs and Border Patrol

"On average last year, DHS prevented 10 individuals tied to terror—known or suspected terrorists—each day from traveling or attempting to travel to the United States. These are individuals that hit against U.S. terror watchlists. This is in addition to the 17,000 criminals and 3,000 special interest aliens that CBP apprehended at the border last year,” the statement said."

Literally the next sentence after your quote:

"However, this statistic is far different than the recent terrorism bust trump described in the Oval Office"

Stay focused bro, this about Trump being full of shit.

[BaldBastard]

Australia denies visas to at least 10 Americans a day because they "hit" our terror watchlists.

Therefore.. All American are terrorists? Or that's just what border security does and has been doing for the past 50 years?

And if these terrorists are so bad.. then surly your seeing mass arrests around the world as even the worst countries don't allow terrorism and would arrest these individuals based on the American border security information.

but... facts have no place in these arguments.

You want to know how dumb the system is.. you have to tick a box saying " I'm not a terrorist " on the visa application, you tick that box by mistake and your declined.. for being a terrorist!

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...3c0df19a06d4e1

USA issues 10,000,000 tourist visas a year, 10 a day x 365 is.. 3650

So your saying its not probable that 0.003% accidently ticked that box as well?

[Paul Markham]

Rochard. Please explain your stance on illegal migration. Are you for or against it.

Any other liberal can take a swing at this. It would be interesting to know.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

from the article you posted because you're not very smart.


A statement from Customs and Border Patrol

"On average last year, DHS prevented 10 individuals tied to terror—known or suspected terrorists—each day from traveling or attempting to travel to the United States. These are individuals that hit against U.S. terror watchlists. This is in addition to the 17,000 criminals and 3,000 special interest aliens that CBP apprehended at the border last year,” the statement said."

Dude you are as backward as the child in your avatar.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Rochard. Please explain your stance on illegal migration. Are you for or against it.

Any other liberal can take a swing at this. It would be interesting to know.

What does this have to do with anyone's stance on illegal immigration? I'm pretty sure Rochard is against it. You're obviously missing the point. This is about more of Trump's lies and manipulations, of which there are countless examples.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Rochard. Please explain your stance on illegal migration. Are you for or against it.

Any other liberal can take a swing at this. It would be interesting to know.

Rochard and I both live in California and we're both tough on immigration. We've both told you multiple times how we feel.

You asking our stance on immigration after we have said so many times how he feel about it just shows that you don't listen when people communicate with you.

It's as if you have a record playing in your head and you refuse to acknowledge individuals but rather characterize us as anyone against Trump is a far left liberal.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Rochard. Please explain your stance on illegal migration. Are you for or against it.

Any other liberal can take a swing at this. It would be interesting to know.

I have stated my thoughts on illegal immigration multiple times. Just like everyone else I am against illegal immigration.

However, spending billions of dollars on a wall will not prevent illegal immigration. They will go around, over, or under any such wall. I want money to be spent where it will be most effective.

I also don't want my local police department involved in illegal immigration issues. It's not that I am against it; I want such people arrested. However, local police departments are not able to handle this. My hometown is a perfect example - we are a town of 50k people and at any time we have three - four officers on duty. Any time they came across anyone illegally, they would have to stop everything, make an arrest, and transport them to the county jail... This reduces the effectiveness of our local police force by 25% - 33% to handle what is a federal issue, not a local one. The FBI doesn't come to my hometown and handle domestic disputes or hand out speeding tickets - that's a local issue, not a federal one.

I am also fine with federal agents arresting people here illegally. However, there is a proper way to do this and a wrong way to do this. I used to work at Taco Bell (don't laugh) and once a month Border Patrol would come up to the front cashier and half the staff would go running out the back door - right into the arms of Border Patrol agents. This is effective. These "Special Response Teams" are not effective - it involves large teams of agents to arrest individuals one at a time. Do you see the difference? A team of agents can arrest a dozen people in two hours, or a team of agents can arrest one person in six hours. Also, we should never be arresting people at schools or hospitals unless we have to. There are exceptions to this, however. The Special Response Teams are tasked with going after hardened criminals who are a threat to American society and I am fine with that. But they shouldn't be tasked with arresting someone who hasn't committed a crime.

I also want all of this to be done properly. Prior administrations didn't have to lock people up in large numbers and remove their children from them. There is no reason for this. What's happening now is a crime against humanity. Some of these children are being molested, and others are being "lost" in the system and we are unable to eventually match them up with their parents. If you took my child away from me and "lost" my child, I would sue for billions.

We also need to give people a path to becoming a US citizen. This has always worked in the past.

There is a right way to do this, and a wrong way. At every turn the Trump administration is doing everything the wrong way. At the same time, the Trump administration is spending more money and being less effective. The Obama administration deported more illegals than any other administration, did it in a cost effective way, did it properly, did it without controversy. The problem is Trump has made "border security" a top priority - trying to fix a problem that isn't really a problem and now he needs to make it look like he is doing something. The end result is they are spending too much money and being less effective in the process.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

from the article you posted because you're not very smart.


A statement from Customs and Border Patrol

"On average last year, DHS prevented 10 individuals tied to terror—known or suspected terrorists—each day from traveling or attempting to travel to the United States. These are individuals that hit against U.S. terror watchlists. This is in addition to the 17,000 criminals and 3,000 special interest aliens that CBP apprehended at the border last year,” the statement said."

Great. We are only talking about ten terrorists, right? They were arrested and went to trial, right? Then why haven't they provided us with names so we can see who they are, why they were arrested, how they are attached to terrorism, and so we can see what happened to them when they went to trial.

Why wouldn't DHS be releasing all of this information to the public?

Terrorists have nothing to do with illegal immigration. Terrorists aren't joining a caravan in South America and traveling thousands of miles on foot to seek asylum at customs. Instead, they are flying on an airplane coming from Europe or the Middle East.

Trump is trying to make it sound like terrorists are swarming our border, and only he could protect us from them. The truth is really they are flying here on a plane, most likely coming from Europe or the Middle East, and being arrested in NYC, not some border town in Texas.

[Busty2]

Rochard is correct, building a wall on our southern boarder will not stop illegal aliens from getting into the USA. There are many other ways to come to America illegally. one way is crossing the Canadian/USA boarder. When i was looking for property in Maine i was taken to a restaurant by my realtor which just happened to be in Canada we crossed the boarder via Route 1 without being stopped as there was no one on duty and the barrier was raised. 2 hours later we crossed back into the USA again without being stopped as the crossing was still unmanned. Since then i have been back to Canada 12 times and every time no-one on duty. ( after 6pm )

So is Chump going to build a wall on our northern boarders and get Canada to pay for it ?


Hiking the appalachian trails will also get you into Canada or vice versa as long as you like black bear

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by Busty2

Rochard is correct, building a wall on our southern boarder will not stop illegal aliens from getting into the USA. There are many other ways to come to America illegally. one way is crossing the Canadian/USA boarder. When i was looking for property in Maine i was taken to a restaurant by my realtor which just happened to be in Canada we crossed the boarder via Route 1 without being stopped as there was no one on duty and the barrier was raised. 2 hours later we crossed back into the USA again without being stopped as the crossing was still unmanned. Since then i have been back to Canada 12 times and every time no-one on duty. ( after 6pm )

So is Chump going to build a wall on our northern boarders and get Canada to pay for it ?


Hiking the appalachian trails will also get you into Canada or vice versa as long as you like black bear

Australia has some of the strictest immigration laws in the world and has a natural wall of 2000 miles of ocean...

yet

If you go to any building site, or big restaurant and yell... "Border Police" people are running in all directions.. Because JUST LIKE THE USA.. most come in by plane.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

What does this have to do with anyone's stance on illegal immigration? I'm pretty sure Rochard is against it. You're obviously missing the point. This is about more of Trump's lies and manipulations, of which there are countless examples.

I get the feeling that he wants little done about it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Busty2

Rochard is correct, building a wall on our southern boarder will not stop illegal aliens from getting into the USA. There are many other ways to come to America illegally. one way is crossing the Canadian/USA boarder. When i was looking for property in Maine i was taken to a restaurant by my realtor which just happened to be in Canada we crossed the boarder via Route 1 without being stopped as there was no one on duty and the barrier was raised. 2 hours later we crossed back into the USA again without being stopped as the crossing was still unmanned. Since then i have been back to Canada 12 times and every time no-one on duty. ( after 6pm )

So is Chump going to build a wall on our northern boarders and get Canada to pay for it ?


Hiking the appalachian trails will also get you into Canada or vice versa as long as you like black bear

I've lived in California since 1989 or so. I am sure people are still smuggled across the borders, but I don't believe that is the primary way people come here illegally. They legally cross the border. "I am going to visit my aunt in San Diego" and then never return home.

Long before I worked in porn I worked at a restaurant, and we had a Mexican kid named Eddie (who we called Chico) who worked for us. He was from Mexico, and we worked together in the Bay Area just outside of San Francisco. Every month or so he would return home to Mexico to visit his family - just drive down. Then he would drive back into the US.

Building a wall is not a solution. Don't get me wrong - in some areas we need a wall. But in most areas a wall in a deserted area would be completely ineffective.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Australia has some of the strictest immigration laws in the world and has a natural wall of 2000 miles of ocean...

yet

If you go to any building site, or big restaurant and yell... "Border Police" people are running in all directions.. Because JUST LIKE THE USA.. most come in by plane.

When I worked at Taco Bell it was utterly hilarious. Border Patrol agents in full uniform would walk up to the cashier to order food and half the staff would run out the back door, right into the arms of six or seven other officers.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Rochard and I both live in California and we're both tough on immigration. We've both told you multiple times how we feel.

You asking our stance on immigration after we have said so many times how he feel about it just shows that you don't listen when people communicate with you.

It's as if you have a record playing in your head and you refuse to acknowledge individuals but rather characterize us as anyone against Trump is a far left liberal.

I get the feeling that you and he want little done about it.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I have stated my thoughts on illegal immigration multiple times. Just like everyone else I am against illegal immigration.

However, spending billions of dollars on a wall will not prevent illegal immigration. They will go around, over, or under any such wall. I want money to be spent where it will be most effective.

If you want a 100% way to stop illegal migration please come up with ideas.

I also don't want my local police department involved in illegal immigration issues. It's not that I am against it; I want such people arrested. However, local police departments are not able to handle this. My hometown is a perfect example - we are a town of 50k people and at any time we have three - four officers on duty. Any time they came across anyone illegally, they would have to stop everything, make an arrest, and transport them to the county jail... This reduces the effectiveness of our local police force by 25% - 33% to handle what is a federal issue, not a local one. The FBI doesn't come to my hometown and handle domestic disputes or hand out speeding tickets - that's a local issue, not a federal one.

So who do you want to deal with it?

I am also fine with federal agents arresting people here illegally. However, there is a proper way to do this and a wrong way to do this. I used to work at Taco Bell (don't laugh) and once a month Border Patrol would come up to the front cashier and half the staff would go running out the back door - right into the arms of Border Patrol agents. This is effective. These "Special Response Teams" are not effective - it involves large teams of agents to arrest individuals one at a time. Do you see the difference? A team of agents can arrest a dozen people in two hours, or a team of agents can arrest one person in six hours. Also, we should never be arresting people at schools or hospitals unless we have to. There are exceptions to this, however. The Special Response Teams are tasked with going after hardened criminals who are a threat to American society and I am fine with that. But they shouldn't be tasked with arresting someone who hasn't committed a crime.

So you admit the present system is a failure.

I also want all of this to be done properly. Prior administrations didn't have to lock people up in large numbers and remove their children from them. There is no reason for this. What's happening now is a crime against humanity. Some of these children are being molested, and others are being "lost" in the system and we are unable to eventually match them up with their parents. If you took my child away from me and "lost" my child, I would sue for billions.

So don't lock up law breakers and blame them for putting their children in harms way.

We also need to give people a path to becoming a US citizen. This has always worked in the past.

This encourages illegal migration.

There is a right way to do this, and a wrong way. At every turn the Trump administration is doing everything the wrong way. At the same time, the Trump administration is spending more money and being less effective. The Obama administration deported more illegals than any other administration, did it in a cost effective way, did it properly, did it without controversy. The problem is Trump has made "border security" a top priority - trying to fix a problem that isn't really a problem and now he needs to make it look like he is doing something. The end result is they are spending too much money and being less effective in the process.

So deport them before a trial, or without locking them up and hoping they turn up at court. How did Obama do it? Don't tell me he only locked up single males or relied on criminals turning up in court.

The best way to stop illegal migration is to remove the temptation. No job, home, driving license, education for children, healthcare etc. If you're concerned about locking up children away from Mothers, spend more on prisons for them. If you think ICE need more resources offer to pay more in taxes to employ the 100,000 of men needed.

Tunnels being destroyed, because Walls work.





Is Israel wrong to build a wall?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I get the feeling that you and he want little done about it.

You shouldn't trust your feelings Paul, they are way off base as usual.

This is the last time I'm repeating myself to you on this topic.

I'm against sanctuary cities immigration laws need to be enforced everywhere.

Businesses that hire illegals should be penalized & owners face jail time & or community service.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in America come by plane on visitor visas, and overstay their visas. We need to track these people, where they stay, etc. and make sure they leave on schedule.

We need more boots on the ground at the border and electronic surveillance.

Here's an interactive map of our border wall for you Paul. We have 857 miles of wall at our border.

The problem in America is Republicans want small government & cheap illegal labor so Republicans don't approve bills for hiring the number of government employees we would need to track these illegals and crackdown on businesses. Republicans say one thing about about illegal immigration and do another.

Notice that Republicans have not approved Trump's border wall even though they've been in complete control of every aspect of the government for the last two years!

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I get the feeling that he wants little done about it.

I don't get that feeling at all.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I get the feeling that you and he want little done about it.

Still at it Markham ?

The Englishman living in Eastern Europe criticising Americans because they don’t hate illegal immigrants enough.

Is that right Paul ?

Am I understanding you correctly ?

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

I don't get that feeling at all.

Paul is an economic migrant.

Paul does not like brown skinned economic migrants.

It shakes his sense of superiority because in fact Paul is a fucking hypocrite.

Paul wishes the brown skinned migrants would go away because he thinks they make him look bad.

Paul makes himself look bad. He does not need any help.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you want a 100% way to stop illegal migration please come up with ideas.

What we had under the last administration was working. We had less people coming over, and more of them were being deported.

The Trump administration is throwing more money into the situation and being less effective.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So who do you want to deal with it?

We have two options here...

The first is having the Border Patrol operate in all areas. Put a Border Patrol office in every county and have them work on a county by county basis. Or, turn the county Sheriff's office into a Federal Agency.

The second is to have the federal government fund the local police departments. Give my local police department an extra million dollars each year so they can hire six more officers, so at any given time we can have one or two officers on duty to handle immigration issues. (Then pay the county jail to detain illegals.)

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you admit the present system is a failure.

I didn't say that at all. I said the Trump administration is being less effective while spending more money.

The Obama administration was being more effective while using less money, and didn't need to arrest people at local schools in front of kids.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

re.
So don't lock up law breakers and blame them for putting their children in harms way.

Illegal immigrants aren't a threat to society or here to harm children.

Also, we don't always arrest law breakers. I had a heavy foot when I was younger and a long list of traffic violations, but I was never arrested.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The best way to stop illegal migration is to remove the temptation. No job, home, driving license, education for children, healthcare etc. If you're concerned about locking up children away from Mothers, spend more on prisons for them. If you think ICE need more resources offer to pay more in taxes to employ the 100,000 of men needed.

Yes and no.

They shouldn't be able to get a job. In order to get a job they should need to prove they are legally able to work in the US. Here in the US we have the E-Verify system which any employer can use.

You can only get healthcare if you have a job - or if you can afford it.

Children here illegally should not be allowed in the local school system.

Driver's licenses is different. If we do not allow them to get a DL they drive illegally, and if they are driving illegally they have no insurance. This causes huge problems in states where there are large populations of people here illegally, like California, Arizona, and Texas. Our insurance is a lot more expensive too.

As for ICE, it's ineffective. The purpose of ICE is to hunt down criminals who are here illegally. When I say criminals I mean people who have committed murder, robbery, and rape. We don't need a team of six to eight agents in three cars tracking and stalking a mother of three who is here illegally. It's just not cost effective and produces a low number of arrests. It would be much more effective having two Border Patrol agents in one car going to a work place that would typically hire illegals, arrest people in numbers, and shut down the business.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Tunnels being destroyed, because Walls work.

Walls don't work. Most people who come here illegally don't cross through the desert in the middle of the night. The drive through customs. They say "I am here to visit my Aunt" and come across don't leave.

If it was up to me.... Anyone found in the United State illegally would be arrested and deported immediately. If they are caught in the United States illegally a second time, they go to prison. Two years for the first offense, four years for the second offense, eight years for the third offense. Children do not get thrown in prison, but instead get deported and sent back to their home country. If anyone comes to the United States and is caught here illegally, they are no longer able to become a US citizen - ever. At the same time, you need to have a system in place so people can come here legally. However, they need to do this BEFORE they come into the United States.

Also... This asylum bullshit needs to stop. The asylum system was set up so that if someone was being unfairly targeted and persecuted by the government of their country AND if the United States government thought your claim was valid AND the United States thought it would benefit from approving the asylum request.... Then someone could be granted asylum. Saying "I fear local gangs in my home country" is not a valid reason for asylum in the United States. We have gangs in the United States too.

[King Mark]

Paul is just a team player. He doesn't understand the logic of not picking a side and bipartisanship. In his eyes, if you don't want to do things the way his "team" (quotes because he ain't from nowhere around here) does things, then you don't want to do anything at all. To him, there's no possible way "the other side" can come up with anything better. That's the T.U.R.D. (The Ultra Right Party of Denialists & Deflectionists) way.

Like, this man dead ass brought up Isreal's wall... lmao

[Phoenix]

[directfiesta]

Americans are so funny ... well not always ..../

Nobody, I repeat NOBODY is in favor of illegal immigration ( just thinking that a whole 50% of the country is for that shows how little intellect you have , probably using your ' gut " instead ) .

You need to redo completely your immigration process, from chain immigration ( Melania's family ) , assylum policies ( maybe make it possible to southern immigrants to apply for assylum in a consulate in their own country ), kids that were brought in the USA at a very young age ( The dreamers ) , and so on.

Also, companies ( Mar-a-lago as example ) and rich 1% should face devastating fines for employing illegals , and a registry of those infractions and illegals publuculy available ....

Building a wall will not stop illegals ... they are ressourcefull ...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

from the article you posted because you're not very smart.


A statement from Customs and Border Patrol

"On average last year, DHS prevented 10 individuals tied to terror—known or suspected terrorists—each day from traveling or attempting to travel to the United States. These are individuals that hit against U.S. terror watchlists. This is in addition to the 17,000 criminals and 3,000 special interest aliens that CBP apprehended at the border last year,” the statement said."

lol .....

But officials from the Customs and Border Protection office could not provide evidence of any such apprehension. A spokesperson for the CBP pointed to comments made by an unnamed Department of Homeland Security official in a fact sheet that was distributed by the White House on Tuesday.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Americans are so funny ... well not always ..../

Nobody, I repeat NOBODY is in favor of illegal immigration ( just thinking that a whole 50% of the country is for that shows how little intellect you have , probably using your ' gut " instead ) .

You need to redo completely your immigration process, from chain immigration ( Melania's family ) , assylum policies ( maybe make it possible to southern immigrants to apply for assylum in a consulate in their own country ), kids that were brought in the USA at a very young age ( The dreamers ) , and so on.

Also, companies ( Mar-a-lago as example ) and rich 1% should face devastating fines for employing illegals , and a registry of those infractions and illegals publuculy available ....

Building a wall will not stop illegals ... they are ressourcefull ...

Great examples.

Trump is involved in chain immigration and hiring illegals at his hotels.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You shouldn't trust your feelings Paul, they are way off base as usual.

This is the last time I'm repeating myself to you on this topic.

I'm against sanctuary cities immigration laws need to be enforced everywhere.

Businesses that hire illegals should be penalized & owners face jail time & or community service.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in America come by plane on visitor visas, and overstay their visas. We need to track these people, where they stay, etc. and make sure they leave on schedule.

We need more boots on the ground at the border and electronic surveillance.

Here's an interactive map of our border wall for you Paul. We have 857 miles of wall at our border.

The problem in America is Republicans want small government & cheap illegal labor so Republicans don't approve bills for hiring the number of government employees we would need to track these illegals and crackdown on businesses. Republicans say one thing about about illegal immigration and do another.

Notice that Republicans have not approved Trump's border wall even though they've been in complete control of every aspect of the government for the last two years!

The Wall will not solve all the US's problem with illegal migration. It will only make crossing the border harder at the points where the Wall is. Tighter controls on employers, landlords, driving licences, schools, hospitals, etc are required.

But your last two paragraphs explained the problem, your governments refuse to tackle the problem head on and ignore the problem so business gets it's cheap labour.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What we had under the last administration was working. We had less people coming over, and more of them were being deported.

The Trump administration is throwing more money into the situation and being less effective.

If previous administrations were working onthe problem, why is it still a problem?

We have two options here...

The first is having the Border Patrol operate in all areas. Put a Border Patrol office in every county and have them work on a county by county basis. Or, turn the county Sheriff's office into a Federal Agency.

The second is to have the federal government fund the local police departments. Give my local police department an extra million dollars each year so they can hire six more officers, so at any given time we can have one or two officers on duty to handle immigration issues. (Then pay the county jail to detain illegals.)

Agree, pay more taxes to support the new police.

I didn't say that at all. I said the Trump administration is being less effective while spending more money.

The Obama administration was being more effective while using less money, and didn't need to arrest people at local schools in front of kids.

So Trump needs to step up deporting those who got in.

Illegal immigrants aren't a threat to society or here to harm children.

Also, we don't always arrest law breakers. I had a heavy foot when I was younger and a long list of traffic violations, but I was never arrested.

Wrong. https://www.google.com/search?ei=v0c...KeozvM2nhkwill show you why. Then there's the damage they do to the incomes of hard working Americans, your schools, welfare system etc.

Yes and no.

They shouldn't be able to get a job. In order to get a job they should need to prove they are legally able to work in the US. Here in the US we have the E-Verify system which any employer can use.

You can only get healthcare if you have a job - or if you can afford it.

Children here illegally should not be allowed in the local school system.

Driver's licenses is different. If we do not allow them to get a DL they drive illegally, and if they are driving illegally they have no insurance. This causes huge problems in states where there are large populations of people here illegally, like California, Arizona, and Texas. Our insurance is a lot more expensive too.

As for ICE, it's ineffective. The purpose of ICE is to hunt down criminals who are here illegally. When I say criminals I mean people who have committed murder, robbery, and rape. We don't need a team of six to eight agents in three cars tracking and stalking a mother of three who is here illegally. It's just not cost effective and produces a low number of arrests. It would be much more effective having two Border Patrol agents in one car going to a work place that would typically hire illegals, arrest people in numbers, and shut down the business.

Truth is they do get jobs and are holding down the wages of Americans. But you did admit there are way to many of them.

Walls don't work. Most people who come here illegally don't cross through the desert in the middle of the night. The drive through customs. They say "I am here to visit my Aunt" and come across don't leave.

They do work, you're claiming they don't stop all illegal migration. A claim I never made.

If it was up to me.... Anyone found in the United State illegally would be arrested and deported immediately. If they are caught in the United States illegally a second time, they go to prison. Two years for the first offense, four years for the second offense, eight years for the third offense. Children do not get thrown in prison, but instead get deported and sent back to their home country. If anyone comes to the United States and is caught here illegally, they are no longer able to become a US citizen - ever. At the same time, you need to have a system in place so people can come here legally. However, they need to do this BEFORE they come into the United States.

Agree. Trump says the same, so you agree with Trump.

Also... This asylum bullshit needs to stop. The asylum system was set up so that if someone was being unfairly targeted and persecuted by the government of their country AND if the United States government thought your claim was valid AND the United States thought it would benefit from approving the asylum request.... Then someone could be granted asylum. Saying "I fear local gangs in my home country" is not a valid reason for asylum in the United States. We have gangs in the United States too.

Agreed.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Americans are so funny ... well not always ..../

Nobody, I repeat NOBODY is in favor of illegal immigration ( just thinking that a whole 50% of the country is for that shows how little intellect you have , probably using your ' gut " instead ) .

You need to redo completely your immigration process, from chain immigration ( Melania's family ) , assylum policies ( maybe make it possible to southern immigrants to apply for assylum in a consulate in their own country ), kids that were brought in the USA at a very young age ( The dreamers ) , and so on.

Also, companies ( Mar-a-lago as example ) and rich 1% should face devastating fines for employing illegals , and a registry of those infractions and illegals publuculy available ....

Building a wall will not stop illegals ... they are ressourcefull ...

No chance changing the approach to migration while the politicians are bought and paid for.

A Wall only stops some illegals. Only the liberals claims anyone suggests otherwise.

[Paul Markham]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...y-some-n838381

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/p...ons/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JK0OL

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The Wall will not solve all the US's problem with illegal migration. It will only make crossing the border harder at the points where the Wall is. Tighter controls on employers, landlords, driving licences, schools, hospitals, etc are required.

But your last two paragraphs explained the problem, your governments refuse to tackle the problem head on and ignore the problem so business gets it's cheap labour.

I agree 100%

Now... remember this time Paul, we agree on immigration!

Remember... We have 857 miles of wall already!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If previous administrations were working onthe problem, why is it still a problem?

Mostly because people still want to come to the United States. Hopefully they always will.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Agree, pay more taxes to support the new police.

I didn't say pay more taxes. I'm saying the federal government needs to pay the costs for policing illegal immigration. This is a federal issue, not a local issue. The FBI and ATF and DHS doesn't come to Lincoln, California, and hand out parking tickets. Local law enforcement would love to help out here, but someone needs to pay for it.

I would be fine with my local police department to help with immigration issues. I would love this. However, we have a very small police department that is already understaffed. We cannot devote 30% of our resources to enforcing federal law. That's why we have federal law enforcement.

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So Trump needs to step up deporting those who got in. /QUOTE]

Trump is the kind of person that likes to beat his chest, talk loudly, make promises, throw lost of money around, but in the long run nothing gets done. He actually came into office, took a system that was working well enough, and fucked everything up, cost us a lot of money, and made us look stupid. He actually have "tent camps" where we imprison children. WTF?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Truth is they do get jobs and are holding down the wages of Americans. But you did admit there are way to many of them.

Yep. We need to crack down on businesses that do this.

We can start with Trump's hotels. Seems they have hired illegals recently.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

They do work, you're claiming they don't stop all illegal migration.

Walls do not work. The majority of illegals who come to the US don't come to the US through the desert in the middle of the night. They come on here on vacation and do not leave.