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sarettah · 01-24-2019, 02:46 PM

Fiddy old white guys deciding what a woman can do with her body.

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OneHungLo · 01-24-2019, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

What part of me being pro-choice do you not understand?

It's every humans right to control their body.

That doesn't mean I have to like a woman killing a 7 month old baby inside her, or 9 month old baby. Or her right to give birth to a baby she knows is going to be severely retarded.

Being able to do what you like with your body doesn't preclude being responsible for your body.

IT MUST BE HARD HATING TRUMP EVERYDAY WHEN you agree with most, if not all, of his policies.

OneHungLo · 01-24-2019, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Fiddy old white guys deciding what a woman can do with her body.

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You just have to face the facts, Sarettah. Aren't you a little too old to be this liberal?

King Mark · 01-24-2019, 10:51 PM

Sarettah is slightly to the left of libtards.

Suprisingly, onehung seems more like a racist lefty than a righteous righty.

sarettah · 01-25-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

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Oh yeah, Omar Hamada is such an un-biased source.

An Alt-Right, Southern Baptist Minister and Doctor isn't going to be one-sided, is he? He is just open minded and honest as can be, eh?

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The fact of the matter is that The Supreme Court ruled in Roe v Wade that you cannot deny a woman an abortion in ANY PART of her pregnancy if her health or life is in danger.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supre...t/410/113.html

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(c) For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life [410 U.S. 113, 165] may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.

This is NOT something new. It has been the law of the land for 45 years.

The change is that now, if a pregnancy becomes non-viable at anytime then the fetus may be removed. That means that women no longer must carry a dead or dying fetus.

But again, react to things that are bullshit and pretend that the world has changed because your masters are telling you so.

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Bladewire · 01-25-2019, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Oh yeah, Omar Hamada is such an un-biased source.

An Alt-Right, Southern Baptist Minister and Doctor isn't going to be one-sided, is he? He is just open minded and honest as can be, eh?

Omar Hamada | Fighting for Faith, Family and Freedom

The fact of the matter is that The Supreme Court ruled in Roe v Wade that you cannot deny a woman an abortion in ANY PART of her pregnancy if her health or life is in danger.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supre...t/410/113.html

This is NOT something new. It has been the law of the land for 45 years.

The change is that now, if a pregnancy becomes non-viable at anytime then the fetus may be removed. That means that women no longer must carry a dead or dying fetus.

But again, react to things that are bullshit and pretend that the world has changed because your masters are telling you so.

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"Midwives" can now perform abortions

I can just see the religious right referring to midwife's as witches

OneHungLo · 01-25-2019, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

The change is that now, if a pregnancy becomes non-viable at anytime then the fetus may be removed. That means that women no longer must carry a dead or dying fetus.

But again, react to things that are bullshit and pretend that the world has changed because your masters are telling you so.

"except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother."

This phrase gives "midwives" and doctors the discretion to abort a 9 month old if the mother wants to get rid of the baby. No baby should ever be aborted at 9 months old. You're insane. You're liberal judgment has clouded your reasoning.

OneHungLo · 01-25-2019, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

"Midwives" can now perform abortions

Yeah, that's insane. Midwives are just RN's with a training certification. They can now decide, at their discretion, if a 9 month baby can be aborted. Sarettah you're OK with this?

Disturbing.

And you know you'll have crazy mothers shopping around for midwives that will do this procedure. Again, call that OBGYN a kook, but he's right - no baby should ever be aborted at 9 moths old. Delivered, yes, aborted, never.

sarettah · 01-25-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

"except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother."

This phrase gives "midwives" and doctors the discretion to abort a 9 month old if the mother wants to get rid of the baby. No baby should ever be aborted at 9 months old. You're insane. You're liberal judgment has clouded your reasoning.

The phrase you qouted has been U.S. Federal Law since 1973. It is not new.

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Bladewire · 01-25-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

The phrase you qouted has been U.S. Federal Law since 1973. It is not new.

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Midwives were not allowed to perform abortions in 1973, but they are now

sarettah · 01-25-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Midwives were not allowed to perform abortions in 1973, but they are now

Abortion was not accomplished by administration of a pill in 1973 either, but most abortions are done that way now.

btw, have you researched the requirements to be a midwive in New York? The licensing requirements? The education requirements?

It is a whole lot more than saying, "Hey, I think I'll be a midwife."

NYS Midwifery:Laws, Rules & Regulations:Article 140

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A midwife shall have collaborative relationships with (i) a licensed physician who is board certified as an obstetrician-gynecologist by a national certifying body or (ii) a licensed physician who practices obstetrics and has obstetric privileges at a general hospital licensed under article twenty-eight of the public health law or (iii) a hospital, licensed under article twenty-eight of the public health law, that provides obstetrics through a licensed physician having obstetrical privileges at such institution, that provide for consultation, collaborative management and referral to address the health status and risks of his or her patients and that include plans for emergency medical gynecological and/or obstetrical coverage. A midwife shall maintain documentation of such collaborative relationships and shall make information about such collaborative relationships available to his or her patients.

NYS Midwifery:Laws, Rules & Regulations:Subpart 79-5

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To meet the professional education requirement for licensure as a midwife in this state, the applicant shall present satisfactory evidence of completion of a Master’s or higher degree program in midwifery or a related field acceptable to the Department which is registered by the Department pursuant to section 52.20 of this Title, accredited by an acceptable accrediting agency, or equivalent to such a registered or accredited program.

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Bladewire · 01-25-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

It is a whole lot more than saying, "Hey, I think I'll be a midwife."

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I never said being a midwife was such a low bar.

Being a midwife is a very low bar compared to being a physician.

Yes I read what you put in bold.

Having a relationship with a physician in a facility is not being a physician in a facility.

License Requirements

Any use of the title "Midwife" within New York State requires licensure.

To be licensed as a midwife in New York State you must:

be of good moral character;
be at least 21 years of age; and
meet education and examination requirements.
You must submit an application for licensure and the other forms indicated, along with the appropriate fee, to the Office of the Professions at the address specified on each form. It is your responsibility to follow up with anyone you have asked to send us material.

The specific requirements for licensure are contained in Title 8, Article 140, section 6955 of New York's Education Law and Subpart 79-5 of the Commissioner's Regulations.

You should also read the general licensing information applicable for all professions.

Fees
The fee for licensure is $322.

The fee for a limited permit is $70 (the limited permit fee is not refundable).

https://www.midwifeschooling.com/new-york/

OneHungLo · 01-28-2019, 06:41 PM

OneHungLo · 01-28-2019, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Abortion was not accomplished by administration of a pill in 1973 either, but most abortions are done that way now.

Um that's a big jump to abortions now being done at 9 months. It's sick and if you think people out there won't abort a 9 month old you're nuts.

Bladewire · 01-28-2019, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Um that's a big jump to abortions now being done at 9 months. It's sick and if you think people out there won't abort a 9 month old you're nuts.

You control your body

Very simple

When you want to cut your balls off I will disagree and puke, but it's your body, your right.

If you want to cut your eyes out, I'll cry, but your body your right.

If you want to cut your head off, I will weep and pray for you but your body your right.

A man releases his control the moment he gives his sperm to a woman.

Very simple

Rochard · 01-28-2019, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

That is bullshit.

The law was changed to allow an abortion after 24 weeks for a fetus that is nonviable, meaning the fetus is dead or will shortly die on it's own.

That is not a healthy nine month fetus.

Are you in favor of a woman having to carry a dead, or dying, fetus in her uterus until full term? Currently many states do require that. The New York state law that was replaced required that.

The new law allows an abortion after 24 weeks for the woman's life being in danger or a nonviable fetus. It does not just allow wholesale abortion after 24 weeks.

But go ahead and spin out Fox News bullshit for them all you want.

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Bingo. This is it.

This new law does not mean you can have an abortion any time you want during the pregnancy. It means that if the child will not live through the delivery or cannot live outside of the womb, a late term abortion is permittable.

The way the old law worked was that if the child was having issues and would not live, after a certain point you had to carry the child full term, knowing that the baby would die during childbirth AND put the mother at extreme risk.

I am tired of the spin Fox News puts on everything.

OneHungLo · 01-28-2019, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You control your body

Very simple

When you want to cut your balls off I will disagree and puke, but it's your body, your right.

If you want to cut your eyes out, I'll cry, but your body your right.

If you want to cut your head off, I will weep and pray for you but your body your right.

A man releases his control the moment he gives his sperm to a woman.

Very simple

I'm on your side here dummy. I was defending your position.

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