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VRPdommy · 02-19-2019, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is a basic part of warfare.

During the second Gulf War when we went into Iraq, the war was over and won in the first hour. The United States attacked the Iraqi government / military communication systems. By destroying one facility they completely took the entire system off line.

But if a government takes down the power grid of another country short of declaring war... Didn't Russia do that with Ukraine? Isn't that an act of war in itself? Not to mention multiple international lawsuits.

It probably is a act of war. I doubt anyone wants to make claims like it for many reasons.

The first reason would be, if you have exact proof who the actor it is, to present it will destroy your intel methods secrets and have little to really gain from it.
It becomes a escalation of events. Think N Korea and Sony.

These things by themselves, are not normally super destructive.
The larger point is being made when you do these things in a wide ranging way is using this and many other cyber attacks in conjunction with some conventional/nonconventional warfare attack. There is so much confusion while everyone tries to get everything up and running again, a surprise attack in conventional warfare has much more impact and likely much more surprise.

When the real thing is coming, it won't just be the power grid...
add many other public works from water systems to industrial stuff that I don't even want to mention.
It can be uglier than warfare itself. A power grid attack is just a warning type measure.
Letting you opponent be warned of your capability that they are vulnerable or they may just be a temporary confusion/diversion for something else.

I would venture to say that if the iraq war 1 or 2 were to be fought today, cyber would be in the initial phases as the initial attacks on radar installs and communication systems with unmanned weapons.
They will not know for sure what they removed with cyber so it has to be taken out with conventional systems as well. Cyber is normally a temporary thing.

Like it or not, all of our public works and industrial systems are automated. That means they use PLC controls. While we like to think we have done well in securing them, most times, they made insecure from the inside out.

I have no confidence we will ever be safe in a automated society.
The only thing that keeps us safe here in the US is the idea of 'massive retaliation' that can and likely would be carried out. That works well for nation states but not terrorist.

And truthfully, I don't care to talk of it any more than that.