Map reveals where Trump voters are being hit hardest by his trade war flop

[Bladewire]

The Chinese have approached this trade war with exact precision. They've hit farms and industry all in Trump country. China is litterally making Trump supporters pay for this trade war.

The farmers are saying they feel like a pawn in Trumps trade war and they don't appreciate Trump's approach. 11 million workers lives have been directly impacted by Trump's trade war as noted in the article.

Map reveals where Trump voters are being hit hardest by his trade war flop

The latest escalation in President Trump's trade war will expose to tariffs roughly 11 million U.S. workers who are employed in industries that produce targeted goods.

Why it matters: Industries affected by the brinksmanship are mostly concentrated in rural, deeply red, already-struggling parts of the country, with political consequences for Trump and Republicans in 2020.

Explanation of the map: The map tracks the geographical impact of both current and threatened retaliation. The darker a county, the higher the concentration of affected industries there.

Driving the news: U.S. tariffs on $200 billion in Chinese imports are about to rise from 10% to 25% — an escalation of the trade war that could hurt major importers and trigger even more painful retaliation by China.

Employment in rural and low-population counties can be exceptionally vulnerable to gyrations in the global economy, said Mark Muro, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. "In a small county, a single meat packing establishment can provide hundreds of jobs and make up a large share of that county's total employment," he told Axios in September. A prior report by Muro and others at Brookings inspired this analysis.

Methodology: We calculated the concentration of industries in each county compared with the national average. To get there, we gathered lists of goods facing tariffs from Canada, China, Mexico, and the European Union. The data is from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Quarterly Census of Employment Wages.

[Hawkeye]

It's bizarre to watch Leftists suddenly become proponents of unregulated capitalism and free trade.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

It's bizarre to watch Leftists suddenly become proponents of unregulated capitalism and free trade.

NOT 'FREE' trade, 'FAIR TRADE'.
Nobody is saying there is no problem. The issue is the methods used in fixing it.
It is a very dangerous game. Most of the actions so far have affected our allies in the EU more than China. And trump is only looking at any deal now to claim victory. But he is currently pissed at China for buying oil from Iran.

Cutting off your leg to save your foot.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

NOT 'FREE' trade, 'FAIR TRADE'.
Nobody is saying there is no problem. The issue is the methods used in fixing it.
It is a very dangerous game. Most of the actions so far have affected our allies in the EU more than China. And trump is only looking at any deal now to claim victory. But he is currently pissed at China for buying oil from Iran.

Cutting off your leg to save your foot.

China is using slave labor and environmental destruction to compete with American workers.

How is that fair?

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

China is using slave labor and environmental destruction to compete with American workers.

How is that fair?

To the contrary, I never said it was. But what is your definition of slave labor ?

If you are referring to 'wages' only, know that the cost of living is so much lower there.
Only if you compare and adapt the wage to the Us does it look bad.
Most of them doing the 'production' work can afford a house and a car and plenty of useless things we surround ourselves with.

What is a fair wage for a worker at McDonald's... and it's not a 'LIVING' wage. Is that to 'slave labor'. They pay 7.50 a hour locally and to make more, they make everyone a assistant manager so they can work them overtime without paying overtime wages.
Slave labor ? every fast food joint around me is doing the same.

Go to your local walmart and ask those in the Woodforest Bank if anyone there is not a manager or assistant manager and also ask how many hours they work. They do not make overtime pay for overtime hours either.
Slave labor is in your back yard. Just open your eyes. Where is the outrage ?
trump going to fix that ?
You are being blinded by folks pointing the finger elsewhere.

[VRPdommy]

oh...
If the Chinese are willing to poison their environment they must live in and companies want to go there just to do that...
Let'm !

[kane]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

To the contrary, I never said it was. But what is your definition of slave labor ?

If you are referring to 'wages' only, know that the cost of living is so much lower there.
Only if you compare and adapt the wage to the Us does it look bad.
Most of them doing the 'production' work can afford a house and a car and plenty of useless things we surround ourselves with.

What is a fair wage for a worker at McDonald's... and it's not a 'LIVING' wage. Is that to 'slave labor'. They pay 7.50 a hour locally and to make more, they make everyone a assistant manager so they can work them overtime without paying overtime wages.
Slave labor ? every fast food joint around me is doing the same.

Go to your local walmart and ask those in the Woodforest Bank if anyone there is not a manager or assistant manager and also ask how many hours they work. They do not make overtime pay for overtime hours either.
Slave labor is in your back yard. Just open your eyes. Where is the outrage ?
trump going to fix that ?
You are being blinded by folks pointing the finger elsewhere.

These people might disagree with you that there isn't slave labor problem in China.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2...studies/china/

[thommy]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

oh...
If the Chinese are willing to poison their environment they must live in and companies want to go there just to do that...
Let'm !

they did indeed - but believe me they have learned.
it is just not a snap with the finger to change it.
germany already decided to get rid of coal and nuclear reactors but still need them for 60% of the complete energy. 10 years ago it was 100%.

e-cars are the next big goal for chines and they will win this game as they prepared the whole infrastructure already and since years.

in 3-5 years e-cars will be the big sellers and i think they will even left germany behind them. they do not even fucking care about europe as they already made it a fact that e-cars will be duty free in whole asia.

the us can not even sniff in this market because they would need parts from china to compete somehow.

this fucking drunk moron in the white house doe not get it that he will not win a trade war but the supporting mornons think they even van make money on it.

read this tweet from this highly criminal from today:

Talks with China continue in a very congenial manner - there is absolutely no need to rush - as Tariffs are NOW being paid to the United States by China of 25% on 250 Billion Dollars worth of goods & products. These massive payments go directly to the Treasury of the U.S....

only for this brainwashing he should go to jail because he tells people again a big lie.
this is even worse than "mexico will pay for the wall" because this tariffs are paid by americans not from china.

he is stealing 25% of the prosperity of normal americans - much much more as he gave them with the tax cut.

i don´t know how many uneducated morons are living in the US. in every other country this pest would be already jailed for the rest of his life.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by kane

These people might disagree with you that there isn't slave labor problem in China.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2...studies/china/

chinese tourists spendet in 2018 around 400 billion dollar worldwide.
the boom just began as only 20% of them yet have a passport.

all of them are going back into their country and in the next 3 years they will become the biggest income source for the worldwide travel industry.

does not sound like slavery to me.

if you do not understand asian mentality and culture you should better fight for the right of a dog sleeping in a human bed and have a place with plate on the table. the dog will give a fuck on your opinion and he will like the food exactly the same as eating it from the floor.

these people enjoy what they have - they are not like western who forgot that they had to work 1 year to buy a TV just 50 years ago.

and this is why trump can not win. because this people die for their culture and they will not complain when there are no kellogs cornflakes in the supermarket. they're more likely to eat their own shoes than from the hands of a crazy US president.

what exactly can we teach these people? egoism? envy? or mutual help to find good only when you need help yourself?
there is nothing we can "export" what would have any value in their culture.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by kane

These people might disagree with you that there isn't slave labor problem in China.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2...studies/china/

Point well taken, but I am not saying slave labor does not happen in China.
But the reason for any trade imbalance has little to do with 'slave labor'
But if it gets a rise on anyone, look within before looking abroad.
Pointing the finger at China is just a distraction from our own problems.
Just providing perspective as opposed to demonizing.

[kane]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Point well taken, but I am not saying slave labor does not happen in China.
But the reason for any trade imbalance has little to do with 'slave labor'
But if it gets a rise on anyone, look within before looking abroad.
Pointing the finger at China is just a distraction from our own problems.
Just providing perspective as opposed to demonizing.

I guess full on slave labor as described by that site likely doesn't have too much to do with trade imbalance, but very low wages and living conditions do. I know different places have different economies so $7 an hour in the US is not even minimum wage, but in some countries it would be like making six figures in the US. To me just as big of a problem are those companies that are exploiting needy, under-educated people. There are tons of companies all over the world that exist in places where jobs are hard to come by and poverty is rampant. People will put up with a lot and work for next to nothing when they are desperate.

I do see a difference between working at Walmart or McDonald's for minimum wage and working in a sweatshop in Indonesia. Here you have options and if you are willing to work you can get an education and get a better job. In those other places, that may not be an option. They are working at that wage because that is what they must do to survive and businesses are taking advantage of that. Those millions of people who are working in these sweatshops do attribute to trade imbalances.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by kane

I guess full on slave labor as described by that site likely doesn't have too much to do with trade imbalance, but very low wages and living conditions do. I know different places have different economies so $7 an hour in the US is not even minimum wage, but in some countries it would be like making six figures in the US. To me just as big of a problem are those companies that are exploiting needy, under-educated people. There are tons of companies all over the world that exist in places where jobs are hard to come by and poverty is rampant. People will put up with a lot and work for next to nothing when they are desperate.

I do see a difference between working at Walmart or McDonald's for minimum wage and working in a sweatshop in Indonesia. Here you have options and if you are willing to work you can get an education and get a better job. In those other places, that may not be an option. They are working at that wage because that is what they must do to survive and businesses are taking advantage of that. Those millions of people who are working in these sweatshops do attribute to trade imbalances.

I think most have the mindset of 20 years ago for China. It's not the same now, with exceptions.
I have watched plenty of interviews and reports of the Chinese worker, and can say that there is a big gap between the 'have' and have-nots' but it does not look much different than the early Japanese Industrial revolution. But we are dealing with 100x the people.

But I'm not going to blame China for corporate greed. It's because of that, this bad play was allowed to happen and strengthen in the first place. They care about nothing but the bottom line 'today' and have created this mess and now find it is unfair to them and want the US gov to do something for them.

The free world only has ban stolen IP from being imported. Company's were well aware of the rules when they entered into selling in China and ignored them. Much of it was not stolen as they would have you believe. Not that much of it was not, but they did have agreements and cheated the system to which they entered.

How would you fair with your credit card company if you suddenly did not like the agreements you signed-on for. You agreed to pay the principle back with interest and refuse to pay the interest and they remove it from other accounts. Is that unfair ?
Sometimes there is a price to pay for cheating a agreement you knowingly enter into.

But I do have a say where I spend my money and I vote accordingly with it rather than to tell others how to do their biz. I do not, or resist, spending money where the labor laws have been side-stepped here in the US.

Indonesia is a similar but whole different story. What labor laws exist and seldom enforced with the help of greedy politicians and greedy comany's.

US co's go abroad to bypass rules. And now so many have entered in bad agreements,
why should my tax dollars go to protecting them.
They have made a mess of many 3rd world counties and is why we are viewed poorly in them because the people do not understand the difference between the gov and the co, because in their world, it is one in the same.
Stupid is as stupid does just like credit cards. And the monopolistic strategies of US co's can not play out very well on the world stage. Most of us have been lied to and/or highly mislead about most of this.

And I am not saying China is doing no wrong either.
Greed kills many things. No matter what, you will be paying for it.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I think most have the mindset of 20 years ago for China. It's not the same now, with exceptions.
I have watched plenty of interviews and reports of the Chinese worker, and can say that there is a big gap between the 'have' and have-nots' but it does not look much different than the early Japanese Industrial revolution. But we are dealing with 100x the people.

But I'm not going to blame China for corporate greed. It's because of that, this bad play was allowed to happen and strengthen in the first place. They care about nothing but the bottom line 'today' and have created this mess and now find it is unfair to them and want the US gov to do something for them.

The free world only has ban stolen IP from being imported. Company's were well aware of the rules when they entered into selling in China and ignored them. Much of it was not stolen as they would have you believe. Not that much of it was not, but they did have agreements and cheated the system to which they entered.

How would you fair with your credit card company if you suddenly did not like the agreements you signed-on for. You agreed to pay the principle back with interest and refuse to pay the interest and they remove it from other accounts. Is that unfair ?
Sometimes there is a price to pay for cheating a agreement you knowingly enter into.

But I do have a say where I spend my money and I vote accordingly with it rather than to tell others how to do their biz. I do not, or resist, spending money where the labor laws have been side-stepped here in the US.

Indonesia is a similar but whole different story. What labor laws exist and seldom enforced with the help of greedy politicians and greedy comany's.

US co's go abroad to bypass rules. And now so many have entered in bad agreements,
why should my tax dollars go to protecting them.
They have made a mess of many 3rd world counties and is why we are viewed poorly in them because the people do not understand the difference between the gov and the co, because in their world, it is one in the same.
Stupid is as stupid does just like credit cards. And the monopolistic strategies of US co's can not play out very well on the world stage. Most of us have been lied to and/or highly mislead about most of this.

And I am not saying China is doing no wrong either.
Greed kills many things. No matter what, you will be paying for it.

I really like to read your posts as you are one of the few with logic and intelligent thoughts.

and yes china did some really bad things and this should not fall under the table. but you can not ruin the world economy for it.

and another story is about what they have "stolen".

only because the west makes his own patent laws it does not mean that all other countries have to accept them. patent laws are worldwide different.

One little story I can tell you is, that I was growing up in Germany and you know germans are potato lovers.
There is one sort of potato what I can get only in Germany.
In Spain (where I live a few month per year) nobody sells them because this sort of potato is under a patent and farmers would have to pay so much for it that it does not make sense.
Now the only place I get them originally except in parts of Germany) is in Thailand because they give a fuck on a patent on food - and I agree with that. NOBODY should have the right to get an exclusive patent a potato.

Same thing is with all this clothes copies.
Actually the most of them are not even copies. They are produced with the same material in the same factory from the same people.
But they are so fucking cheap to produce that i think that the crime is to sell it because of a "brand" 100 times more expensive as necessary.
For sure there are other and more serious cases - but in the mentioned ones they are more like robin hoods as criminals for me.

and last not least an economy can not grow with just a few people.
even when chines indians or pakistanis have just a fraction of the buying power from a european - they are fucking 10 times more than us and they want to buy. but for this they need to make money - and they do it with the cheap labor. this cheap labor does not only make their lives better - it makes our lives better too because we can buy more things with the same amount of money. this is called prosperity.

what trump does at the moment will hit the world economy a lot. but on longterm it will hit the us economy MUCH harder because the debts are already on such a high level that
they can´t be paid back EVER.

china will survive that because their dept to GDP is not 105% like the US it is 45% and only 9% of this 45 is foreign money.

I don´t know why the US is always underestimating the asians.
they lost china to mao, they lost korea, they lost vietnam - was that not enough school to understand that this people will NEVER accept a foreign dictate?

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by thommy

I really like to read your posts as you are one of the few with logic and intelligent thoughts.

and yes china did some really bad things and this should not fall under the table. but you can not ruin the world economy for it.

and another story is about what they have "stolen".

only because the west makes his own patent laws it does not mean that all other countries have to accept them. patent laws are worldwide different.

One little story I can tell you is, that I was growing up in Germany and you know germans are potato lovers.
There is one sort of potato what I can get only in Germany.
In Spain (where I live a few month per year) nobody sells them because this sort of potato is under a patent and farmers would have to pay so much for it that it does not make sense.
Now the only place I get them originally except in parts of Germany) is in Thailand because they give a fuck on a patent on food - and I agree with that. NOBODY should have the right to get an exclusive patent a potato.

Same thing is with all this clothes copies.
Actually the most of them are not even copies. They are produced with the same material in the same factory from the same people.
But they are so fucking cheap to produce that i think that the crime is to sell it because of a "brand" 100 times more expensive as necessary.
For sure there are other and more serious cases - but in the mentioned ones they are more like robin hoods as criminals for me.

and last not least an economy can not grow with just a few people.
even when chines indians or pakistanis have just a fraction of the buying power from a european - they are fucking 10 times more than us and they want to buy. but for this they need to make money - and they do it with the cheap labor. this cheap labor does not only make their lives better - it makes our lives better too because we can buy more things with the same amount of money. this is called prosperity.

what trump does at the moment will hit the world economy a lot. but on longterm it will hit the us economy MUCH harder because the debts are already on such a high level that
they can´t be paid back EVER.

china will survive that because their dept to GDP is not 105% like the US it is 45% and only 9% of this 45 is foreign money.

I don´t know why the US is always underestimating the asians.
they lost china to mao, they lost korea, they lost vietnam - was that not enough school to understand that this people will NEVER accept a foreign dictate?

There is a lot to know about the differences in patent and trademark law around the world. But we do have a standard in international trade by a organization known as WIPO.

As far as the cost of the name brand items and the cost of them. It is fair for company's to build a 'BRAND' in name, and some spend a lot of money doing that. It brings value to the product and copies are not sharing the expense of that.

Everyone knows who Harley Davidson is, and they will vigorously defend their trademark, because if they do not, they will loose the value of their mark.
The power of BRAND is so great, it is a asset that you can actually borrow money against, so you should protect it at any cost.
The knock-offs are not paying the price for that or the advertising that made it famous. Nor the experimentation and trial and error losses before a well liked product was found/produced.

Just pointing out the view from the other side. Food for thought.

China will be changing their tune on intellectual property soon enough when they start creating their own. It has already been a problem for some of their home grown company's who now what to register it in other countries to prevent it from being copied.

China does things a bit different on the inside. Anyone can produce anything. If you can make the same as the guy next door and sell it, you can. This has been a long time effort to spur entrepreneurship.

But the government knows it can't continue just making copies as they will be developing their own IP and want it protected. As I said, those biz are going outside the country from the start where they can get protection. They have a problem now.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

There is a lot to know about the differences in patent and trademark law around the world. But we do have a standard in international trade by a organization known as WIPO.

As far as the cost of the name brand items and the cost of them. It is fair for company's to build a 'BRAND' in name, and some spend a lot of money doing that. It brings value to the product and copies are not sharing the expense of that.

absolutely correct and I did not say it is generally an excuse. just wanted to point out that in many cases patent rights colliding with human basic rights.

Everyone knows who Harley Davidson is, and they will vigorously defend their trademark, because if they do not, they will loose the value of their mark.
The power of BRAND is so great, it is a asset that you can actually borrow money against, so you should protect it at any cost.
The knock-offs are not paying the price for that or the advertising that made it famous. Nor the experimentation and trial and error losses before a well liked product was found/produced.

again - fully agree - building brands was part of my job for many years and i know that.
but look at the internet. here you can see exactly this kind of evolution that chinese are going through. 90% of all internet workers (no matter in what country) do not care rights from someone else - only their personal rights.

and i totally agree that the market itself will make the change because china´s big brands do have this similar problem already.

China does things a bit different on the inside. Anyone can produce anything. If you can make the same as the guy next door and sell it, you can. This has been a long time effort to spur entrepreneurship.

But the government knows it can't continue just making copies as they will be developing their own IP and want it protected. As I said, those biz are going outside the country from the start where they can get protection. They have a problem now.

nobody should forget where this country came from. it was and still is a communism country where people do not even pay for electricity. in their mind there is nothing that can be owned by an individual. they just start to learn that.

china today is already one of the biggest buyer markets. the prosperity of the people exploded in the last 6-7 years. they are already at the point that they can not produce cheap enough because of that. but chinese are not dumb. they are using the cheap
labor from other asian countries (like bangladesh, thailand, cambodia etc) and instead of occupying this countries they build infrastructure there and creating the biggest trade union the world have ever seen.

they own streets, harbours, airports, factories, transportation companys and logistic firms all over asia and soon all over the planet.
thanks to trump for that because nearly all countries are trusting china more as they trust the US. even autralia, canada and the EU sees in them a more reliable partner as in the USA.

countries like russia, iran and a few others that are locked out with sanctions will prefer to join this trade union that will unite 75% of the world population.

who is US than? who is the EU and who the fuck will be britain when this mission is completed?

all what is happening right now is happening in favor to russia and china because they found out how to divide the western world by using the power of the dumbs.

if you read here what some people pretend to know about economy you know exactly what i mean.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by thommy

all what is happening right now is happening in favor to russia and china because they found out how to divide the western world by using the power of the dumbs.

I would not disagree with this except to say China is not really dividing us.... but the trade issue with china might when the farmers can take no more....
but allow russia to continue and many will have a hand in it.
There has to be a heavy price to pay.