Busty2

Daniken wrote Chariots of the Gods and Tsoukalos is a main contributor to Ancient Aliens TV series as well as others.

adultinnovation

Take a look at this and tell me what the hell that was ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teeRzaybrXw

SleepWalker

A new leaked document is getting a lot of attention right now in the UFO community. Very interesting:

Paul Markham

Yes alien beings flew across the universe to fly by the Earth.

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SleepWalker

The fact that you would not understand "why" doesn't rule out this possibility. If you take some time, you check all the vids pasted here, do a bit of research etc. you'll understand that there are much questions to be answered and they can't be ruled out with easy statements like you made.

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Paul Markham

Have you seen what film makers can create with video?

Aliens would be exploring the universe to exploit other worlds, not on a gigantic mission to fly by planets. Where is the actual evidence of advanced civilisations existing any where in the universe?

And please give me a link like this.

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Of course, that's why looking for ufo videos on the net from any random YT account is a lost of time. What hit the news since December 2017 is different, the MOD made public some of their own videos. But it isn't that much about the vids, I would say it is more about the testimonies from people who were involved, confirmation by the Pentagon that they do study this etc. I won't write here everything that came out since Dec 2017, would be too long. The AATIP program from the Pentagon hiring up to 40 scientists at its peak came to the conclusion these were not made by any country. The French Cometa report concluded that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was the most probable. All this to say that something is going and it must be studied and taken seriously. That's exactly what the Navy is doing, just a few weeks ago they setup an internal mechanism to make reporting easier.


There are many pieces of evidence everywhere. They bring tons of questions. If there is a single smoking gun proving we are visited then it is kept secret and certainly not found from a single Google link.

Btw did you know that the giant squid was discovered in 2004, before that it was just a legend and people who were reporting them were not taken seriously. This was just under our nose. Imagine what we still have to discover both in our oceans and mainly in space.

But again if you are interested you have to take some time and research our at least watch the credible stuff that came out lately. If your mind is made up and you just want to ignore that new data coming out, well it is what it is...

Paul Markham

So the MOD has the proof.




Now you're saying the MOD hasn't got the proof.

Which one is it?

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SleepWalker

It isn't about what I think it is about what is being said since December 2017. I'll paste this video hoping you'll watch it and maybe see what I mean. They don't want to commit about what is it but they do commit about what it is NOT...

Paul Markham

He basically said, "We don't know".

The idea of an Alien race spending $trillion and trillions of what ever currency they use to fly past the Earth is absurd. Then the size of what's been seen is incapable of doing anything, because what ever is in these UFOs it has to support their life forms. Nothing grows or evolves in a complete vacuum.

Until they find whatever it is they "found" I'll go with logic.

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The evidence of aliens visiting Earth is flimsy at best, so let's not abandon logic and look at what we haven't found.

Millions or is it Billions are spent looking for alien life forms and so far they have found nothing. Yes we have found a few planets which can support life, but that doesn't immediately mean they contain intelligent life able to travel the Universe.

And it's not like we're not looking. https://www.google.com/search?source...60.UhbPx6oLMFE

And https://www.google.com/search?ei=aC0...60.sgNZx7jSTzA

So far all they say is we need to spend more, because what we have has found nothing.

So far Homo Sapiens have been on Earth 500,000 years give or take. It was only in the last century we were able to fly in a powered craft.https://www.livescience.com/32436-wh...on-to-fly.html

And only thelast 50 odd years we were able to develop space flight on a limited scale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_spaceflight

We haven't been back to the Moon because there's no reason to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11

Then there's the logical approach to the problems of travelling light years across space. Unless they have come up with a way to bend the distance into nothing much, the problems are huge. A few years in 0 gravity does horrible things to your body, anyone who has suffered a bad accident that requires months laid up will verify this. Yes alien life has to have gravity. So even putting someone to sleep for a year does horrible things to your muscles.

Then there's the problem of life support systems. Building a space craft that can carry a few beings requires a huge amount of life support, so the craft we have called UFOs are incapable of carrying life forms across space. Don't tell me the Mother ship was hiding behind the Moon and sending out spotter craft, without evidence.

The investment required is so big we can't contemplate with a logical mind affording space travel out of our solar system, because producing the funds cripples the Earth, kills it off as a planet and we die out.

So why would some species develop a technology to travel across many trillions of miles other than to exploit resource they are or have run out of? The nearest star, which doesn't contain life, is 25.67 trillion miles away. The nearest habitable planet, possibly, is 72 trillion miles away. Travelling to Mars means covering a distance of 33.9 million miles. Now imagine travelling 1,000 times that.

Taking the word of someone whose wages rely on further investigation!!! Isn't the best endorsement. Suspending logic takes you to the world of movies like Interstellar, Star Wars, Star Trek, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. etc. I''ll stick with logic until someone proves me wrong.

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SleepWalker

Our current logic is totally different from 100 years ago or from 100 years from now. We are currently writing Quantum Physic, once we start to build things based on it we can't even imagine where we will be. Just like 120 years ago we couldn't imagine a plane, even less an Iphone.

SleepWalker

Good Review of Unidentified Episode 2

SleepWalker

Yesterday the NY Post Posted the 3rd Episode of Their UFO Series

Paul Markham

Agreed. But until they write such Physics that explain why aliens travel the universe to only look at the Earth, the billions spent looking for, listening for, etc I'll stick with my theories.

There's the problems we face on Earth that need to be solved. Like over population, production, pollution, disease, etc. They are far more important than discovering if there's an alien species out there. Now tell us the alien species have all the answers to those problem.

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SleepWalker

I'm not "telling" anything to anyone.

adultinnovation

They would come here for their own reason.

There's no reason for them to contact us if they're not here to do that.

SilentKnight

Think about it.

If these aliens and their technology actually exist, obviously they must have some answers to your questions - since they survived long enough to advance their technologies to this point.

That's not saying one way or the other they exist - my jury is still out. But I'm inclined to give benefit of the doubt they do exist.

2MuchMark

First, I absolutely LOVE Science Fiction, and easily get into any story about Space, space ships, alien worlds, black holes, wormholes, quantum realms, etc. Even if the science behind the story is flawed, I look past it to enjoy the story.

All that being said, I absolutely believe that there is lots of alien life in the Universe. What I don't believe, is that any of it involves aliens flying spaceships to earth. The distance, energy and cost required is staggering.

Maybe we will be the first to venture out to their planets.

Paul Markham

I'm sure alien life exists all over the universe. The difficulty is getting from using stone tools to travelling at 10 or 100 times the speed of light.

Given unlimited time and money a species could develop this far. The problem is time and money. Withing the next 100 years the Earth will face consequences of global warming. This will mean a small number of humans might survive, I emphasise the word might. This will bring economies crashing and our direction will be refocused to the Earth and it's well being. This applies to aliens and unless they have discovered a natural resource that allows them to do explore space they need to develop it. Once again time and money are the problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_the_Enterprise

And a lot of the technology required isn't invented yet. Imagine what else $1 trillion could do on Earth. Save the money and solve some of the problems we have now, wasting money on looking for E.T. is stupidity.

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SleepWalker

That's based on the physic you know. Ask someone 120 years ago about building a plane like the Airbus 380, he would have tell you they exact same thing you are currently saying about space travel.

adultinnovation

https://www.foxnews.com/science/harr...-military-ufos

Harry Reid wants hearings on what the military knows about UFOs: 'They would be surprised how the American public would accept it'


"We know that UFOs exist. This is no longer an issue."
— former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon

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SilentKnight

Exactly.

To say it's unfeasible for extraterrestrials to travel the vast space between us and them is an assumption solely based on our current (comparatively primitive) understanding of the physics involved.

When you think of all the remarkable technological advances we've made just in the last hundred years - imagine what a civilization that's managed to survive a few million years has possibly developed.

To paraphrase a favorite line from 'Contact' - if there wasn't any other intelligent life out there...what a big waste of space.

adultinnovation

for the government to even "kind of" admit UFO's are real likely means they are softening the blow for damage control of something shortly to be discovered or disclosed



https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/luis...ting-ufos-real

Luis Elizondo: Why is the government finally admitting UFOs are real, and why should we pay attention?



In December 2017, much of the world was stunned to learn that pilots from the USS Nimitz encountered something eerily similar to the above scenario back in 2004, while conducting an exercise off of the sunny, southern coast of California. Just like a script from a science fiction movie, Top Gun-trained fighter pilots from the Nimitz were unfairly engaged with and attempting to intercept something that could only be described as extraordinary.

What the pilots encountered that day was able to perform in ways that defied all logic and our current understanding of aerodynamics. Furthermore, beyond what the pilots saw with their own trained eye, the technological feat they encountered was further verified by the impressive Aegis SPY-1 radar, America’s premiere radar system at the time, and even gun camera footage and sonar systems from submarines accompanying the carrier.

So far, we have observed some of its capabilities, but we still have no idea of its intent. From that perspective, this unorthodox challenge may still be considered a potential threat.

directfiesta

Wich Universe ?
. As for doctored videos, we have seen one come out in a few jours lately...

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Reflections of the sun off the ocean.
Yes, 2 images as it represents a unevenness of the water (swells) the result of tides or weather system.

Paul Markham

What if we are the most advanced civilisation in the Universe?

Conquering space by any living organism presents problems beyond the capacity of Humans now. The worse effect is the loss of gravity, cosmic rays, food and water supply, mental health, confined spaces, etc.

After a million years those problems will be solved, the problem is the million years. While we look to the stars we're destroying the launch pad at unprecedented levels.

[QUOTE]Natural resources disappearing fast. London - A third of the world's natural resources were consumed in the period 1970-1995, according to a report published by the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) yesterday.[/QUOTE]

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-mammals-study

https://nativenewsonline.net/current...urces-run-out/

Lots more to read here. https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...67.-0psI1rt56U

So the biggest problem all civilisations face are getting enough time and money to discover the technology required to conquer space while protecting the launch pad. At the rate we're destroying the Earth, it won't be us.

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adultinnovation

The Nimitz encounter proves beyond any doubt that UFO's are real. It was tracked by advanced Navy radar and it was seen by fighter pilots who tried to intercept it.

It was defying the laws of physics. If Humans can't create an aircraft capable of doing what it was doing then it obviously was not from this planet or this dimension.

Unless some Government out there somehow managed to create technology vastly superior to ours or anyone else's and is keeping it secret which is highly unlikely because with technology like that they would easily be able to take over the world.

VRPdommy

Some things never change.
Unidentified Flying Object means 'unidentified' but not necessarily 'ALIEN'.
Try not to take leaps of faith.

So, In saying that, 'IF' you are one who believes as is written in ancient text here on earth,
WE ARE THE ALIENS. It goes like this.
We were created by a superior knowledge beings for their purpose.
Their planet Nibiru 3rd, on the right

It has been educated guess to exist by disturbances in gravity fields in our solar system.
(the missing planet) and believe it or not, everyone has been spending a lot of time and money looking for it. (these ideas break religion and are preformed a bit on the quite side)

It is believed to be actually a 'brown dwarf star' with at least one planet orbiting it.
And according to those ancient texts, in a orbit of 3600 years.
So if you translate that a bit into what became religion, it is the returning of the god(s).

On one of those orbits, it came to close to the earth and cause the 'great deluge' (the great flood) geologically we have proven happened about 8700 BC. Much after the Sphinx and Pyramids were created (12,300bc) and later 'refinished' by the Egyptians in the history we know.

So when is their next pass.... ?
Much speculation. But, believe it or not, even the alchemist Sir Issac Newton took it to task and he came up with the date of 2060. Newton was actually conflicted with religion of the time. But you mostly know what you are told from a young age to believe.
(see at 57m)

There is no way for him to have come to that answer without reading those ancient texts.

Plenty more I could say on the subject, but, I will leave it to your imagination since that is where this has been up to this point. And suggest, what some of these sightings are that our own intel can't explain well could indeed be advanced scouts from Nibiru.

Makes one think anyway. Me saying that will create a stir I am sure.
But I do not write history, just point out what is there.

At least this was believed in the ancient world and is where you get 360 degrees of a circle. The number system was sexagesimal (based on 60) and 60 minutes in a hour.
One degree of a circle is equal to 60 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_numerals

But all of it at least warrants your understanding of it to form a better opinion.

My only question remains how some of us were much smarter at one time very early and somehow, all that was lost and it is like we started over. Did we perhaps kill off 'the smart ones' blaming them for problems of the world ? Perhaps a populist revolt in the time ?
Why is alchemy and science viewed poorly by religion ?

So much history has been destroyed in ignorance and continues today in every war that could shed better light on the answers we seek.

I am sure we are seeing something (few real) and you will need to make up your own mind as to what it is. Till they reveal themselves.

SleepWalker

Also, the probably that we are the most advanced, base one what we know about the universe is basically NIL. We are in the youngest part of the universe as we know it. This was well explained by Carl Sagan in this sort 5 mins clip:

SleepWalker

Last Friday Episode of Unidentified TV Show is now up on Vimeo

VRPdommy

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Paul Markham

To go from seeing something they don't know what it is, that's what UFO means, to Aliens visiting Earth requires a huge leap of faith.

Where was the Mother ship carrying such a craft?

Or did it make the trip all on it's own?

Once you abandon all logic, you enter the world of dreams.

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To go from seeing something they don't know what it is, that's what UFO means, to Aliens visiting Earth requires a huge leap of faith.

Where was the Mother ship carrying such a craft?

Or did it make the trip all on it's own?

Once you abandon all logic, you enter the world of dreams.

I'm not saying intelligent life of some form doesn't exist anywhere in the Universe or that aliens couldn't visit the Earth. What I'm saying is the odds of an intelligent life visiting Earth on fly by missions in small craft and with all the problems of space flight for no reason other than to fly over the Earth and fool a few people is so far fetched you're clutching at invisible straws. What I want to see is logical evidence that these craft or aliens exist and so far nothing exists. No a dot on a screen isn't evidence.

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SleepWalker

Logically if you understand the cosmic calendar it means we are most likely a very new planet with life. Many should logically be way ahead of us. Then add the testimonies, docs, material etc. Skeptics will just say every testimonies are made from crazy people, every docs as fake, every lab analysis are errors. They will attack each and every proof one by one as it was just that. But if you weight all the evidences it becomes obvious there’s something going on. If someone was facing a trial for murder and he had all this playing against him, he would get fried on the electric chair in no time.

adultinnovation

It was not just a dot on the screen.. The Pilots saw it with there eyes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk

Paul Markham

What they saw isn't evidence of aliens, or flying saucers powered by aliens. It was an
Unidentified Flying Object.

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Ya.. defying the laws of physics as we know them to be and travelling at speeds that would kill anything inside ( or should ).

So it was a craft that could not have been made by the Human species.. So then its obviously something from another planet or dimension and that could only be called Aliens.

Obviously if they are spending tens of millions of dollars investigating these things then they are worried. Those are two trained professionals they aren’t going to be fooled by a fly or spec of dust. The airforce is worried that someone or SOMETHING has better technology.

SleepWalker

Richard Dolan Post a Follow Up About the Wilson Leak ( see original post from June 10th above )

SleepWalker

NY Post - 4th Episode of Their UFO Series

Robbie

The radar operator on the Nimitz said that more than 100 UFO's came down into our atmosphere that day as he tracked them with the most advanced "360" radar in the world.
Said they cruised slowly at 100 knots at 28,000 feet (which he said at that height and slow speed they should have fallen).

Then one of them went from 28,000 feet to sea level at a speed of 24,000 MPH!!!

Nothing that the military, or NASA has can do that in Earth's atmosphere from a dead stop.

adultinnovation

They should say hi.

SilentKnight

Sleepwalker thanks for keeping this thread updated. Still fascinating stuff.

Paul Markham

Who says it contained living beings? Could be a drone type vehicle.

All I'm saying is we need a whole lot more evidence and proof before leaping to the assumption it's aliens travelling across the universe to fly past Earth.

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Robbie

The Senate is being given a classified briefing today on UFOs from the Pentagon.

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SleepWalker

Yep! This news is all over the place:


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/warner-classified-briefing-ufos-1544273

Robbie

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SilentKnight

Hundred flying thingees in the skies.