Americans’ views flipped on Gay rights. How did minds evolve so quickly? - GoFuckYourself.com

Bladewire · 06-09-2019, 04:21 PM

This Gay thread comes to you courtesy of Dead eye, one of the two most homophobic racist posters on GFY

It's great to see how America has evolved so much to give equal rights to Gay citizens. There will always be backwards thinking hatefull poorly educated dumbasses like Dead eye and DukeSkywalker but we've come a long way and aren't going back

Americans’ views flipped on Gay rights. How did minds change so quickly?

Steve and Teri Augustine met, fell in love and got married in a conservative evangelical Christian community. They grew up believing homosexuality was a sin, and that the “gay agenda” was an attack on their values.

Then, six years ago, their son Peter — their youngest child who loved theater and his church youth group — returned home to Ellicott City, Md., from his freshman year of college and came out to his family as gay.

Teri asked her son not to tell anyone else, and drove herself to a mall parking lot to cry. Steve questioned his son’s faith, reciting Bible passages from Corinthians. The Augustines decided to put their son through a year of conversion therapy, determined to “set him straight.”

But after the therapy failed, something changed. Steve and Teri Augustine started meeting Peter’s friends and inviting other gay Christians to dinner. Two summers after Peter came out, the family stood on the sidelines of the Capital Pride parade wearing rainbow beads and shirts with the words “I’m sorry.” Teri now hosts a support group for Christian moms of LGBTQ children.

“I knew that if I was going to get a handle on who my son was,” Teri said, “I really needed to step into that world.”

The transformation in the Augustine family parallels a shift in public opinion that social scientists say is unlike any other of our time.

As recently as 2004, polls showed that the majority of Americans — 60 percent — opposed same-sex marriage, while only 31 percent were in favor, according to the Pew Research Center. Today, those numbers are reversed : 61 percent support same-sex marriage, while 31 percent oppose it.

“You can’t find another issue where attitudes have shifted so rapidly,” said Don Haider-Markel, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has studied public opinion of LGBT rights over the years.

What’s perhaps most surprising is that support for same-sex marriage has increased among nearly all demographic groups, across different generations, partisan lines and religious faiths. Even among the most resistant religious group, white evangelical Protestants like the Augustine family, support for same-sex marriage has grown from 11 percent in 2004 to 29 percent in 2019, according to Pew.

How the homophobic media covered the 1969 Stonewall uprising

Fifty years after police raided the Stonewall Inn, a gay club in Manhattan, spurring days of riots that would become a catalyst for the gay rights movement, the leap in public opinion has been followed by leaps on the ground, even as work remains. A record number of LGBT candidates have been elected to Congress, Colorado elected the country’s first openly gay governor, Chicago has a lesbian mayor and the first openly gay Democratic candidate is running for president.

But while it’s clear that the gay rights movement managed to change people’s minds faster than any other civil rights movement in memory, it’s less clear why. How, in 15 years, did Americans’ views flip on such a charged social issue? And why haven’t other groups that have also publicly fought discrimination managed to change public opinion as quickly? The answer lies in human behavior and demographic realities, as well as a winning strategy by gay rights activists that capitalized on both.

VRPdommy · 06-09-2019, 04:27 PM

Leaving any personal crap out of it....
Can you notice that the next wave of motivator of the right wing in the EU is against homosexuality.

So, I would imagine, if it works there, it will be tried here in the US as well.

Personally, I am tolerant of others race religion or anything else that makes you different than myself.

It does not seem all that hard to pick a scab and make folks intolerant.

If you are not doing anything against my way of life effecting me, I don't care.

Call me... Cyrus The Great ! (know your history)

Bladewire · 06-09-2019, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Leaving any personal crap out of it....
Can you notice that the next wave of motivator of the right wing in the EU is against homosexuality.

So, I would imagine, if it works there, it will be tried here in the US as well.

Personally, I am tolerant of others race religion or anything else that makes you different than myself.

It does not seem all that hard to pick a scab and make folks intolerant.

If you are not doing anything against my way of life effecting me, I don't care.

Call me... Cyrus The Great ! (know your history)

Yes the Gay community has known from day one that Trump & the alt-right would trickle down the hate to us.

Do you know why they save the Gay community for last? It's the same reason governments across the world decided very quickly to give us equal rights.

90% of Gay people you will not know are Gay unless we tell you. We cross every nationality, every race, every religion. We hold some of the highest government positions in every nation on the planet without others knowing that we are Gay. Governments realize that we are security threat when we aren't given equal rights, why be patriotic for a country that doesn't see you as an equal human being right? This is why the alt-right movement has saved the Gay hate for last & why Western governments started giving Gays equal rights.

VRPdommy · 06-09-2019, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Yes the Gay community has known from day one that Trump & the alt-right would trickle down the hate to us.

Do you know why they save the Gay community for last? It's the same reason governments across the world decided very quickly to give us equal rights.

90% of Gay people you will not know are Gay unless we tell you. We cross every nationality, every race, every religion. We hold some of the highest government positions in every nation on the planet without others knowing that we are Gay. Governments realize that we are security threat when we aren't given equal rights, why be patriotic for a country that doesn't see you as an equal human being right? This is why the alt-right movement has saved the Gay hate for last & why Western governments started giving Gays equal rights.

I think you may be over thinking it.
They are just using the best tool at the time that divides people to gain power.
Hell I bet some who lead the charge may be gay.
They don't really care for or against you, they do it for themselves for power.

When they wear this one out, lord knows were they will go next.
...The importance of tolerance is to only be intolerant of intolerance.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller

Smack dat · 06-09-2019, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

This Gay thread comes to you courtesy of Dead eye, one of the two most homophobic racist posters on GFY

It's great to see how America has evolved so much to give equal rights to Gay citizens. There will always be backwards thinking hatefull poorly educated dumbasses like Dead eye and DukeSkywalker but we've come a long way and aren't going back

Americans’ views flipped on Gay rights. How did minds change so quickly?

Steve and Teri Augustine met, fell in love and got married in a conservative evangelical Christian community. They grew up believing homosexuality was a sin, and that the “gay agenda” was an attack on their values.

Then, six years ago, their son Peter — their youngest child who loved theater and his church youth group — returned home to Ellicott City, Md., from his freshman year of college and came out to his family as gay.

Teri asked her son not to tell anyone else, and drove herself to a mall parking lot to cry. Steve questioned his son’s faith, reciting Bible passages from Corinthians. The Augustines decided to put their son through a year of conversion therapy, determined to “set him straight.”

But after the therapy failed, something changed. Steve and Teri Augustine started meeting Peter’s friends and inviting other gay Christians to dinner. Two summers after Peter came out, the family stood on the sidelines of the Capital Pride parade wearing rainbow beads and shirts with the words “I’m sorry.” Teri now hosts a support group for Christian moms of LGBTQ children.

“I knew that if I was going to get a handle on who my son was,” Teri said, “I really needed to step into that world.”

The transformation in the Augustine family parallels a shift in public opinion that social scientists say is unlike any other of our time.

As recently as 2004, polls showed that the majority of Americans — 60 percent — opposed same-sex marriage, while only 31 percent were in favor, according to the Pew Research Center. Today, those numbers are reversed : 61 percent support same-sex marriage, while 31 percent oppose it.

“You can’t find another issue where attitudes have shifted so rapidly,” said Don Haider-Markel, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has studied public opinion of LGBT rights over the years.

What’s perhaps most surprising is that support for same-sex marriage has increased among nearly all demographic groups, across different generations, partisan lines and religious faiths. Even among the most resistant religious group, white evangelical Protestants like the Augustine family, support for same-sex marriage has grown from 11 percent in 2004 to 29 percent in 2019, according to Pew.

How the homophobic media covered the 1969 Stonewall uprising

Fifty years after police raided the Stonewall Inn, a gay club in Manhattan, spurring days of riots that would become a catalyst for the gay rights movement, the leap in public opinion has been followed by leaps on the ground, even as work remains. A record number of LGBT candidates have been elected to Congress, Colorado elected the country’s first openly gay governor, Chicago has a lesbian mayor and the first openly gay Democratic candidate is running for president.

But while it’s clear that the gay rights movement managed to change people’s minds faster than any other civil rights movement in memory, it’s less clear why. How, in 15 years, did Americans’ views flip on such a charged social issue? And why haven’t other groups that have also publicly fought discrimination managed to change public opinion as quickly? The answer lies in human behavior and demographic realities, as well as a winning strategy by gay rights activists that capitalized on both.

Peter was psychologically abused as a child which is why he turned out the way he did. His parents felt remorse which is why they support him.

bronco67 · 06-09-2019, 05:24 PM

I think it was only a few years ago I thought marriage was only between a man and woman. I realized, why should I give a fuck? If gays want to get shackled to another gay human being for life, then have at it.

Bladewire · 06-09-2019, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I think you may be over thinking it.
They are just using the best tool at the time that divides people to gain power.
Hell I bet some who lead the charge may be gay.
They don't really care for or against you, they do it for themselves for power.

When they wear this one out, lord knows were they will go next.
...The importance of tolerance is to only be intolerant of intolerance.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-Martin Niemöller

Exactly!

Then you have losers like Dead eye that talk the talk until their true colors come out and you find out what a homophobe they are throwing Gays under the bus

VRPdommy · 06-09-2019, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Exactly!

Then you have losers like Dead eye that talk the talk until their true colors come out and you find out what a homophobe they are throwing Gays under the bus

I am not gay, but Might I suggest that you change tactic ?
Personal attacks will for sure inflame the person, but it hardens their views.
One-Up them !
Something to think about.

Rochard · 06-09-2019, 06:02 PM

Everyone needs to take a look at history for the past five hundred years. We were assholes. Entire countries invaded other countries and enslaved entire populations. Certain races were considered less than human, and were enslaved. Even after slavery ended, some races thought they were better than others and attempted to kill them all off.

We are getting to the point now where we accept everyone. The younger generations have a lot less prejudice - A LOT less.

VRPdommy · 06-09-2019, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Everyone needs to take a look at history for the past five hundred years. We were assholes. Entire countries invaded other countries and enslaved entire populations. Certain races were considered less than human, and were enslaved. Even after slavery ended, some races thought they were better than others and attempted to kill them all off.

We are getting to the point now where we accept everyone. The younger generations have a lot less prejudice - A LOT less.

Agreed.
Prejudice it taught, not acquired.
The only thing that has had me worried about gay's in the US is a simple matter that is not against gay's but the strain of shock to the legal system that is not prepared to deal with the coming issues.

Major (Tom) · 06-09-2019, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

This Gay thread comes to you courtesy of Dead eye, one of the two most homophobic racist posters on GFY

It's great to see how America has evolved so much to give equal rights to Gay citizens. There will always be backwards thinking hatefull poorly educated dumbasses like Dead eye and DukeSkywalker but we've come a long way and aren't going back

Americans’ views flipped on Gay rights. How did minds change so quickly?

Steve and Teri Augustine met, fell in love and got married in a conservative evangelical Christian community. They grew up believing homosexuality was a sin, and that the “gay agenda” was an attack on their values.

Then, six years ago, their son Peter — their youngest child who loved theater and his church youth group — returned home to Ellicott City, Md., from his freshman year of college and came out to his family as gay.

Teri asked her son not to tell anyone else, and drove herself to a mall parking lot to cry. Steve questioned his son’s faith, reciting Bible passages from Corinthians. The Augustines decided to put their son through a year of conversion therapy, determined to “set him straight.”

But after the therapy failed, something changed. Steve and Teri Augustine started meeting Peter’s friends and inviting other gay Christians to dinner. Two summers after Peter came out, the family stood on the sidelines of the Capital Pride parade wearing rainbow beads and shirts with the words “I’m sorry.” Teri now hosts a support group for Christian moms of LGBTQ children.

“I knew that if I was going to get a handle on who my son was,” Teri said, “I really needed to step into that world.”

The transformation in the Augustine family parallels a shift in public opinion that social scientists say is unlike any other of our time.

As recently as 2004, polls showed that the majority of Americans — 60 percent — opposed same-sex marriage, while only 31 percent were in favor, according to the Pew Research Center. Today, those numbers are reversed : 61 percent support same-sex marriage, while 31 percent oppose it.

“You can’t find another issue where attitudes have shifted so rapidly,” said Don Haider-Markel, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has studied public opinion of LGBT rights over the years.

What’s perhaps most surprising is that support for same-sex marriage has increased among nearly all demographic groups, across different generations, partisan lines and religious faiths. Even among the most resistant religious group, white evangelical Protestants like the Augustine family, support for same-sex marriage has grown from 11 percent in 2004 to 29 percent in 2019, according to Pew.

How the homophobic media covered the 1969 Stonewall uprising

Fifty years after police raided the Stonewall Inn, a gay club in Manhattan, spurring days of riots that would become a catalyst for the gay rights movement, the leap in public opinion has been followed by leaps on the ground, even as work remains. A record number of LGBT candidates have been elected to Congress, Colorado elected the country’s first openly gay governor, Chicago has a lesbian mayor and the first openly gay Democratic candidate is running for president.

But while it’s clear that the gay rights movement managed to change people’s minds faster than any other civil rights movement in memory, it’s less clear why. How, in 15 years, did Americans’ views flip on such a charged social issue? And why haven’t other groups that have also publicly fought discrimination managed to change public opinion as quickly? The answer lies in human behavior and demographic realities, as well as a winning strategy by gay rights activists that capitalized on both.

I don’t dislike you because you pack fudge. I’m pro gay rights, but just keep it out of schools & away from kids. I’m pro gay marriage. I’m pro choice. I dislike you because you are a mentally ill twerp, not because you are a bug giver. Fuck who you want. God speed.

Bladewire · 06-09-2019, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Agreed.
Prejudice it taught, not acquired.
The only thing that has had me worried about gay's in the US is a simple matter that is not against gay's but the strain of shock to the legal system that is not prepared to deal with the coming issues.

People can acquire racism, homophobia, etc..

Believe It or Not There are stupid people like DukeSkywalker and Dead eye where if a single Gay person crosses them, they hate all Gay people forever. If they see a single Gay person that's feminine & weak they think that all Gay people are feminine & weak. Low/no intellect people like these paint with very broad brushes because that's all they're capable of doing; they can't individualize humans.

These types of low/no intellect people then go to teach their children their broad brush hate.

Low/no intellect homophobic asshole reply in 3.. 2.. 1...

Major (Tom) · 06-09-2019, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire

People can acquire racism, homophobia, etc..

Believe It or Not There are stupid people like DukeSkywalker and Dead eye where if a single Gay person crosses them, they hate all Gay people forever. If they see a single Gay person that's feminine & weak they think that all Gay people are feminine & weak. Low/no intellect people like these paint a very broad brushes because that's all they're capable of doing; they can't individualize humans.

These types of low/no intellect people then go to teach their children their broad brush hate.

You’re unhinged. Full chooch meltdown in progress. Your core blew up and your graphite control rods are all the fuck over the debris field

Rochard · 06-09-2019, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Agreed.
Prejudice it taught, not acquired.
The only thing that has had me worried about gay's in the US is a simple matter that is not against gay's but the strain of shock to the legal system that is not prepared to deal with the coming issues.

In some cases it was taught - mostly in the United States - but it was also a way of life for many many years....

Bladewire · 06-09-2019, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

In some cases it was taught - mostly in the United States - but it was also a way of life for many many years....

Don't forget about black racists like Dead eye that blame all white people for the world's problems and brag about "his people" taking racial majority by 2040 and giving white people payback

Dead eye posts 2040 references 24/7 on here, this is something that weighs heavily on his mind 24/7 he has real white hate issues. He doesn't just hate white racist, he hates all whites. He also hates Gays of ALL colors.

Blocked hateful homophobic asshole reply in 3.. 2.. 1...

King Mark · 06-09-2019, 07:52 PM

^lying as usual

celandina · 06-10-2019, 09:38 AM

Do not confuse yourself with PC in public and real "nonPC" in private. That is why all the polls predicted Hillary would win...

Most still like rules 1,3, 5 and 7 :

Grapesoda · 06-10-2019, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Leaving any personal crap out of it....
Can you notice that the next wave of motivator of the right wing in the EU is against homosexuality.

So, I would imagine, if it works there, it will be tried here in the US as well.

Personally, I am tolerant of others race religion or anything else that makes you different than myself.

It does not seem all that hard to pick a scab and make folks intolerant.

If you are not doing anything against my way of life effecting me, I don't care.

Call me... Cyrus The Great ! (know your history)

I view sexuality as a private

Grapesoda · 06-10-2019, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

I don’t dislike you because you pack fudge. I’m pro gay rights, but just keep it out of schools & away from kids. I’m pro gay marriage. I’m pro choice. I dislike you because you are a mentally ill twerp, not because you are a bug giver. Fuck who you want. God speed.

Bladewire · 06-17-2019, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

In some cases it was taught - mostly in the United States - but it was also a way of life for many many years....

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The Truth Hurts · 06-17-2019, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

90% of Gay people you will not know are Gay unless we tell you.

and 99% of the people you label alt-right terrorists literally couldn't give less of a fuck about your sexuality. Problems is you take that 1% and make them the representatives of the other 99. same exact thing every other fringe/minority group in the US does... make a mountain out of an anthill, so you get more attention than you deserve.

Bladewire · 06-17-2019, 02:52 PM

↑↑↑ Blocked alt-right hate fake nic troll

Another blocked alt-right hate fake nic Rey in 3.. 2.. 1...

Smack dat · 06-17-2019, 03:25 PM

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06-09-2019, 04:21 PM	#1
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	Americans’ views flipped on Gay rights. How did minds evolve so quickly? This Gay thread comes to you courtesy of Dead eye, one of the two most homophobic racist posters on GFY It's great to see how America has evolved so much to give equal rights to Gay citizens. There will always be backwards thinking hatefull poorly educated dumbasses like Dead eye and DukeSkywalker but we've come a long way and aren't going back Americans’ views flipped on Gay rights. How did minds change so quickly? Steve and Teri Augustine met, fell in love and got married in a conservative evangelical Christian community. They grew up believing homosexuality was a sin, and that the “gay agenda” was an attack on their values. Then, six years ago, their son Peter — their youngest child who loved theater and his church youth group — returned home to Ellicott City, Md., from his freshman year of college and came out to his family as gay. Teri asked her son not to tell anyone else, and drove herself to a mall parking lot to cry. Steve questioned his son’s faith, reciting Bible passages from Corinthians. The Augustines decided to put their son through a year of conversion therapy, determined to “set him straight.” But after the therapy failed, something changed. Steve and Teri Augustine started meeting Peter’s friends and inviting other gay Christians to dinner. Two summers after Peter came out, the family stood on the sidelines of the Capital Pride parade wearing rainbow beads and shirts with the words “I’m sorry.” Teri now hosts a support group for Christian moms of LGBTQ children. “I knew that if I was going to get a handle on who my son was,” Teri said, “I really needed to step into that world.” The transformation in the Augustine family parallels a shift in public opinion that social scientists say is unlike any other of our time. As recently as 2004, polls showed that the majority of Americans — 60 percent — opposed same-sex marriage, while only 31 percent were in favor, according to the Pew Research Center. Today, those numbers are reversed : 61 percent support same-sex marriage, while 31 percent oppose it. “You can’t find another issue where attitudes have shifted so rapidly,” said Don Haider-Markel, a political science professor at the University of Kansas who has studied public opinion of LGBT rights over the years. What’s perhaps most surprising is that support for same-sex marriage has increased among nearly all demographic groups, across different generations, partisan lines and religious faiths. Even among the most resistant religious group, white evangelical Protestants like the Augustine family, support for same-sex marriage has grown from 11 percent in 2004 to 29 percent in 2019, according to Pew. How the homophobic media covered the 1969 Stonewall uprising Fifty years after police raided the Stonewall Inn, a gay club in Manhattan, spurring days of riots that would become a catalyst for the gay rights movement, the leap in public opinion has been followed by leaps on the ground, even as work remains. A record number of LGBT candidates have been elected to Congress, Colorado elected the country’s first openly gay governor, Chicago has a lesbian mayor and the first openly gay Democratic candidate is running for president. But while it’s clear that the gay rights movement managed to change people’s minds faster than any other civil rights movement in memory, it’s less clear why. How, in 15 years, did Americans’ views flip on such a charged social issue? And why haven’t other groups that have also publicly fought discrimination managed to change public opinion as quickly? The answer lies in human behavior and demographic realities, as well as a winning strategy by gay rights activists that capitalized on both.

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VRPdommy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 11,628	Leaving any personal crap out of it.... Can you notice that the next wave of motivator of the right wing in the EU is against homosexuality. So, I would imagine, if it works there, it will be tried here in the US as well. Personally, I am tolerant of others race religion or anything else that makes you different than myself. It does not seem all that hard to pick a scab and make folks intolerant. If you are not doing anything against my way of life effecting me, I don't care. Call me... Cyrus The Great ! (know your history)

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