Jesus was Jewish. How come after he died his followers created Christianity?

[Smack dat]

This might be a bit Hi-ball for GFY but..

From what I understand, Jesus was born Jewish, he grew up Jewish and preached Jewish. He tried to get Jewish followers and was referred to as a Rabbi.

Why then, after his death did his followers create the Christian church..

Was it because the Roman government at the time wanted to remove the Jewish religion.
If this was the case was Christianity only created to stop the Romans killing the Jewish.

Would that also mean that Christianity is the wrong religion and Jewdism is where it's at?

[VRPdommy]

That was a question I wrestled with as a teen.
And you really have to dig into history to understand it. No quick fix.

All the while, as he was said to be claiming to be the son of GOD, you have to understand what GOD was to some peoples. To much for this post.
Really, he was claiming to be in heir as a blood descendant of Alexander (the great).
Through all the mix-up as folks read into this what they wanted (go figure)
And convincing Greek leaders, he was 'later' declared to be the son of GOD.
Still at the time, most celebrated the 'GODS' (greek).
The term for his name was generated by the Greeks and it means 'HAIL ZEUS' to help the population understand the who and what he was.

So this is why you see a image of the sun behind Jesus, as it was the symbol for Zeus.

So, the history 'you know' is really written by the Greeks. And of course it spread that way.

There is a lot to know for details in the in between of my statements. I suggest you look some up if you really have a interest. Mine is just a quick skinny.
You must take everything in with contrast with the thinking of that time.
Learning more about the culture and laws of the time.
I read up on it almost daily to understand the people of the that time and way before that time. It is very fascinating to connect historical dots.

[VRPdommy]

Oh... just a FYI on Judaism...
That actually started when the Hebrew were in exile in Babylon.
The crypts had learned the writing in Babylon and took on their writing and beliefs.
They were stuck with why their GOD(s) had forsaken them and turned to believe the answer that they needed was to celebrate only one god and they turned to the writing of YAWAY. (not sumerian)
But if you read the tails of the script they wrote, you will find many twisted stories of the Sumerian writing. Flood story, and, get this, even the story of Moses as he was put into a basket smeared with bitumen and placed into the Nile... the problem here is that there is no bitumen near the nile, but it was pretty handy on the Euphrates river in Iraq.

Of course Cyrus the great released the Hebrew as he did not care about their religion or any one else's and left it to be tolerated. And is why he is celebrated in the bible.
This was the birth of Judaism. Many hundreds of years before Jesus.

[CaptainHowdy]

Jesus was a fictional character, pretty much like Ulysses or Aeneas.

[baddog]

Short answer, Jesus was the Messiah the Jews were waiting for.

And at the last supper He told them to, according to lore.

Never heard anyone call him a rabbi before.

[HairyChick]

I went to yeshiva for six unfortunate years and never heard of Jesus being a rabbi. I never understood how a Jew became the leader and God of Christianity.

I also know that back then their language wasn’t English and Latin translated can take on many forms. Jesus is Jewish may have meant Jesus is Jew-like, looking like the Jew across the desert.

I asked a rabbi for an explanation of how a Jew could preach religion and lead the Christian faith. I ended up with a boring story about the Bible and interpretations.

All I remember is learning my part of the Torah for my Bat Mitzvah. “Her husband trusts in her and never lacks gain” was read with 103 fever as “her husband trucks in her and never hacks grain.”

I can still laugh about that after all these years.

[baddog]

There was no Christianity when he was alive
, it was his insistence that he was who they the Messiah is what pissed the Jewish leaders off. The Romans didn't really care.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by baddog

Short answer, Jesus was the Messiah the Jews were waiting for.

And at the last supper He told them to, according to lore.

Never heard anyone call him a rabbi before.

Jesus isn't considered a "messiah" or "prophet" or anything remotely of that nature by Judaism. His followers, after his death, considered him the Messiah and thusly created Christianity. Jews didn't really have anything to do with it, other than being persecuted for centuries by Christians who blamed Jews for Jesus' death (also patently false).

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/art...e-about-jesus/

I've had many Jewish friends describe their beliefs to me about Jesus "in layman's terms" as they view him as being a Rabbi of sorts, but nothing "special" beyond that.

[baddog]

I know the Jews didn't acknowledge it, just explaining how he got on their radar, 2000 years before radar.

So much b.s. in the rest, I might address later but this is boring me.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Jesus isn't considered a "messiah" or "prophet" or anything remotely of that nature by Judaism. His followers, after his death, considered him the Messiah and thusly created Christianity. Jews didn't really have anything to do with it, other than being persecuted for centuries by Christians who blamed Jews for Jesus' death (also patently false).

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/art...e-about-jesus/

I've had many Jewish friends describe their beliefs to me about Jesus "in layman's terms" as they view him as being a Rabbi of sorts, but nothing "special" beyond that.

I would agree with that.

[Robbie]

Superstitious nonsense every bit of it. Still can't believe that people believe in "magic"...Jesus, Heaven, Hell, etc.

Shit from 2,000 years ago amongst sheepherders.

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Superstitious nonsense every bit of it. Still can't believe that people believe in "magic"...Jesus, Heaven, Hell, etc.

Shit from 2,000 years ago amongst sheepherders.

IKR. That's like believing Chump is for the working man.

[optics]

We're still digging into it.

There's a lot of history that is deliberately obscured.

[King Mark]

Islam was born to put all this back into proper perspective.

Jesus (peace be upon him) was a human. A prophet, but human. Like those before him (abraham, moses, etc peace be upon them) and Muhammad (peace be upon him) after.

The original Christians had the same views on Jesus.

[optics]

Just think of Christianity and Judaism as a push-and-pull on Western Civilization. Whether Christ existed or not, the purpose of Christian values is to oppose Jewish values. The Jewish God is Lucifer, the Christian God is God.

Right now, we have a degenerate culture and a globalist pope, because Jewish values are pushing harder than Christian values are pushing back. (American "Christian Zionists" are also a good example of this). Historically, Jews have been expelled from Christian countries hundreds of times, because Christian values pushed back harder at those times.

Jews are right to fear rising anti-Semitism, because they understand the cyclical patterns of history better than Christians do. 1945 acts as an effective cutoff point, and the fact that this cutoff point exists is again an example of current Jewish dominance.

[Smack dat]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

That was a question I wrestled with as a teen.
And you really have to dig into history to understand it. No quick fix.

All the while, as he was said to be claiming to be the son of GOD, you have to understand what GOD was to some peoples. To much for this post.
Really, he was claiming to be in heir as a blood descendant of Alexander (the great).
Through all the mix-up as folks read into this what they wanted (go figure)
And convincing Greek leaders, he was 'later' declared to be the son of GOD.
Still at the time, most celebrated the 'GODS' (greek).
The term for his name was generated by the Greeks and it means 'HAIL ZEUS' to help the population understand the who and what he was.

So this is why you see a image of the sun behind Jesus, as it was the symbol for Zeus.

So, the history 'you know' is really written by the Greeks. And of course it spread that way.

There is a lot to know for details in the in between of my statements. I suggest you look some up if you really have a interest. Mine is just a quick skinny.
You must take everything in with contrast with the thinking of that time.
Learning more about the culture and laws of the time.
I read up on it almost daily to understand the people of the that time and way before that time. It is very fascinating to connect historical dots.

Thanks for your explanations.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Superstitious nonsense every bit of it. Still can't believe that people believe in "magic"...Jesus, Heaven, Hell, etc.

Shit from 2,000 years ago amongst sheepherders.

The bible is a work of fiction with a few facts to make it seem all real.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul then the Romans created Christianity. Jesus was just the vehicle they used.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

That was a question I wrestled with as a teen.
And you really have to dig into history to understand it. No quick fix.

All the while, as he was said to be claiming to be the son of GOD, you have to understand what GOD was to some peoples. To much for this post.
Really, he was claiming to be in heir as a blood descendant of Alexander (the great).
Through all the mix-up as folks read into this what they wanted (go figure)
And convincing Greek leaders, he was 'later' declared to be the son of GOD.
Still at the time, most celebrated the 'GODS' (greek).
The term for his name was generated by the Greeks and it means 'HAIL ZEUS' to help the population understand the who and what he was.

So this is why you see a image of the sun behind Jesus, as it was the symbol for Zeus.

So, the history 'you know' is really written by the Greeks. And of course it spread that way.

There is a lot to know for details in the in between of my statements. I suggest you look some up if you really have a interest. Mine is just a quick skinny.
You must take everything in with contrast with the thinking of that time.
Learning more about the culture and laws of the time.
I read up on it almost daily to understand the people of the that time and way before that time. It is very fascinating to connect historical dots.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/hist...tianity-005814

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

This might be a bit Hi-ball for GFY but..

From what I understand, Jesus was born Jewish, he grew up Jewish and preached Jewish. He tried to get Jewish followers and was referred to as a Rabbi.

Why then, after his death did his followers create the Christian church..

Was it because the Roman government at the time wanted to remove the Jewish religion.
If this was the case was Christianity only created to stop the Romans killing the Jewish.

Would that also mean that Christianity is the wrong religion and Jewdism is where it's at?

the answer is quite easy.
jesus was a prophet in the jew religion and later also a prophet in islam.

you can not really get power when you only have a dead prophet. to
create the "son of god" sounds much better, brings more brainwashed followers and more money.

actually ALL existing big religions are based on the gilgamesh epos what is the oldest written religious transcript mankind knows.

the real life of jesus might be written down in the qumran scrrolls but unfortunately the catholic church locked most of this transcripts and only parts of it have been ever seen from a few scientists.
what is assumed from what we know, jesus was kind of a terrorist in his time because he only had a few fighters around him.

If you are interested to read more about it I recommend you to read "The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception" by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh.

[CurrentlySober]

I tend to stay out of threads like this, but Robbies comment about 'Magic' made me think that 2000 years from now, people will be worshipping Harry Potter, due to the proof of his books...

[NatalieMojoHost]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I tend to stay out of threads like this, but Robbies comment about 'Magic' made me think that 2000 years from now, people will be worshipping Harry Potter, due to the proof of his books...

I actually wouldn't mind that at all. As long as there is no inquisition and muggle-hunts. The Hammer of Muggles

[wehateporn]

All explained here

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

All explained here

We are all egyptians . . .

[VRPdommy]

Religion is most often created by man trying to explain the world around him.
I would somewhat exempt the Sumerian cultures. Theirs was not a religion.

While they may have been the first to write the written word as we know it, the tails they tell before that time were handed down verbally. Many are of a time much older than 8,000 years ago. Having the tool of the written word, they began writing those tales that had previously been handed down verbally. More likely older than 12,000 years ago for many of them.

A habit that the Jews took while in exile in Babylon from the Sumerians 'culture' that still existed. (being able to replicate the story so it does not change between later generations i.e. the torah) But those Sumerian writings are where it all gets interesting as they detail what the 'gods' did. This is a matter of perception as 'WE' think of a GOD as a supernatural being, and to them, they just had all of what they perceived as the MAGIC that was just mere science they could not comprehend entirely.

The Hebrew wrote the same as the Sumerians from a perspective of the person telling the story. So that persons perception prevail in the text and requires a bit more understanding of what they actually knew and what things appeared to be 'to them'.

That makes it easy to error in translation for the meaning of statements, not just words.
If Hebrew were to use the term 'sticky water', you would know it better as glue.
But using the term in a much larger statement could easily confuse you.

But if you wish to celebrate a creator, the Sumerians tell a much more believable tale. but that depends on your knowledge of history.

While those Sumerian text are not a religion, I find they have more credential than any religion. Simply a historic documentary from the eyes of the writers and much older than any religion.

[Smack dat]

I will be learning about Sumerian next.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I tend to stay out of threads like this, but Robbies comment about 'Magic' made me think that 2000 years from now, people will be worshipping Harry Potter, due to the proof of his books...

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Smack dat

This might be a bit Hi-ball for GFY but..

From what I understand, Jesus was born Jewish, he grew up Jewish and preached Jewish. He tried to get Jewish followers and was referred to as a Rabbi.

Why then, after his death did his followers create the Christian church..

Was it because the Roman government at the time wanted to remove the Jewish religion.
If this was the case was Christianity only created to stop the Romans killing the Jewish.

Would that also mean that Christianity is the wrong religion and Jewdism is where it's at?

they didn't want to cut the end of their dicks off be my guess.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Superstitious nonsense every bit of it. Still can't believe that people believe in "magic"...Jesus, Heaven, Hell, etc.

Shit from 2,000 years ago amongst sheepherders.

try 45K years ago

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Oh... just a FYI on Judaism...
That actually started when the Hebrew were in exile in Babylon.
The crypts had learned the writing in Babylon and took on their writing and beliefs.
They were stuck with why their GOD(s) had forsaken them and turned to believe the answer that they needed was to celebrate only one god and they turned to the writing of YAWAY. (not sumerian)
But if you read the tails of the script they wrote, you will find many twisted stories of the Sumerian writing. Flood story, and, get this, even the story of Moses as he was put into a basket smeared with bitumen and placed into the Nile... the problem here is that there is no bitumen near the nile, but it was pretty handy on the Euphrates river in Iraq.

Of course Cyrus the great released the Hebrew as he did not care about their religion or any one else's and left it to be tolerated. And is why he is celebrated in the bible.
This was the birth of Judaism. Many hundreds of years before Jesus.

the hebrews invented the alphabet. the greeks added the vowles. the torah is the oldest written book.

the jews were released WITH ALL THE OTHER captives after nebuchadnezzar's rule ended by war. or were you thinking cyrus was elected?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Religion is most often created by man trying to explain the world around him.
I would somewhat exempt the Sumerian cultures. Theirs was not a religion.

While they may have been the first to write the written word as we know it, the tails they tell before that time were handed down verbally. Many are of a time much older than 8,000 years ago. Having the tool of the written word, they began writing those tales that had previously been handed down verbally. More likely older than 12,000 years ago for many of them.

A habit that the Jews took while in exile in Babylon from the Sumerians 'culture' that still existed. (being able to replicate the story so it does not change between later generations i.e. the torah) But those Sumerian writings are where it all gets interesting as they detail what the 'gods' did. This is a matter of perception as 'WE' think of a GOD as a supernatural being, and to them, they just had all of what they perceived as the MAGIC that was just mere science they could not comprehend entirely.

The Hebrew wrote the same as the Sumerians from a perspective of the person telling the story. So that persons perception prevail in the text and requires a bit more understanding of what they actually knew and what things appeared to be 'to them'.

That makes it easy to error in translation for the meaning of statements, not just words.
If Hebrew were to use the term 'sticky water', you would know it better as glue.
But using the term in a much larger statement could easily confuse you.

But if you wish to celebrate a creator, the Sumerians tell a much more believable tale. but that depends on your knowledge of history.

While those Sumerian text are not a religion, I find they have more credential than any religion. Simply a historic documentary from the eyes of the writers and much older than any religion.

cuneiforms, not an alphabet... big difference, religion is first cause. nothing is older than religion

[HairyChick]

Originally Posted by optics

The Jewish God is Lucifer, the Christian God is God.


.

Say WHAT????????

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Lucifer is the Jewish God. My people prayed to and worshipped Lucifer. ����������

Mmmkkkay. Delusional people appear here daily but you give new meaning to “stoned delusional crackhead read the Bible while sniffing cocaine and needles in their arms.”

Tomorrow I will call my mother. She will call her cousin who is married to a rabbi. She’ll ask him for his opinion on Lucifer being our God. First I’ll have to convince her I didn’t overdose on my Morphine.

This thread is very educational and gives new insights into religious beliefs. Seriously.

[Paul Markham]

How can anyone believe in any religion when so much is a lie. Did god lie to man?

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the hebrews invented the alphabet. the greeks added the vowles. the torah is the oldest written book.

the jews were released WITH ALL THE OTHER captives after nebuchadnezzar's rule ended by war. or were you thinking cyrus was elected?

That isn't widely accepted, just a theory without much scholarly provenance based on one artifact. What is generally accepted is that the first consonant alphabets were Semitic, and you are correct the first real alphabet was Greek. The ancient Greeks - what couldn't they do?

Jesus would have died a nobody if Constantine hadn't needed a religion where one guy, who also happens to be the emperor, can rule everything including religion. Christianity was codified in the 400s, a loooong time after historical Yeshua of Nazareth.

And Mohammed would have died a nobody if Saladin and later the Ottoman empire hadn't made him famous 500 years later.

So the lesson is, if you want to be a prophet, say a lot of vague nonsense that a tyrannical homicidal psychopath can edit and use 400-500 years later to justify massive bloodshed and conquest while claiming to be "holy" and converting everyone by the sword.

In that sense the new prophets are Marx and Engels.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

That isn't widely accepted, just a theory without much scholarly provenance based on one artifact. What is generally accepted is that the first consonant alphabets were Semitic, and you are correct the first real alphabet was Greek. The ancient Greeks - what couldn't they do?

Jesus would have died a nobody if Constantine hadn't needed a religion where one guy, who also happens to be the emperor, can rule everything including religion. Christianity was codified in the 400s, a loooong time after historical Yeshua of Nazareth.

And Mohammed would have died a nobody if Saladin and later the Ottoman empire hadn't made him famous 500 years later.

So the lesson is, if you want to be a prophet, say a lot of vague nonsense that a tyrannical homicidal psychopath can edit and use 400-500 years later to justify massive bloodshed and conquest while claiming to be "holy" and converting everyone by the sword.

In that sense the new prophets are Marx and Engels.

The New Testament was decided on in the 5th century and made sure it only contained what a handful of men decided. It has been discovered that actual followers of Jesus who worked with him had their writings ignored and destroyed. In favour of writings by people who lived long after him.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The New Testament was decided on in the 5th century and made sure it only contained what a handful of men decided. It has been discovered that actual followers of Jesus who worked with him had their writings ignored and destroyed. In favour of writings by people who lived long after him.

Yes, exactly what I said. Christianity was nothing until Constantine, 400 years later, decided it would be great to kick out all those pesky priests of pantheistic religions and concentrate all power and revenue under the smartest, best, most just ruler he knew - himself!

He then killed thousands of people in his family and everywhere else and for that he's a church father!

Just like Mao, Stalin, and numerous other homicidal maniacs in our time, he used an "ideology" to justify killing and torturing men, women, children, his own family, etc.

[lovebitch]

There is no such thing "God," uneducated people.

[VRPdommy]

I have no interest in breaking anyone's religion.
For some of you, it keeps your life glued together.
But know that curiosity sometimes kills the cat.