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King Mark · 10-23-2019, 04:09 PM

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JSWENSON · 10-23-2019, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you both agree being a webmaster is easier than producing content and a guaranty of success.

It has to be something anyone can pick up in a short time. The actual marketing, describing, improving the product I already knew. The webmaster part I always thought was hard to get right as so many failed. I do know what a TGP gallery on The Hun could achieve, and similar sites, because we submitted them and made money from them.

But we left it to webmasters to do the webmaster part. If we didn't have the successful content production side of the business maybe we would have learned to be webmasters and hired a team of in house guys to do the grunt work. Would never of had an affiliate program because we saw too many sites fail by giving away too much to affiliates.

You did try that. All of that. You suck at all of it, including the 1980's style porn shoots.

wankawonk · 10-23-2019, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Agreed I've been marketing my content for 30 years.

I retired at the beginning of the tube era. But there were so many who failed to adapt to it.

it sounds like you just don't want to be part of the game in an era where tubes exist.

no one can fault you for that but I think you know exactly what you needed to do to adapt...and it just wasn't worth it to you.

Paul Markham · 10-24-2019, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

It depending on person, for some is easier to be affiliate , for some easier to be content producer. There is no universal recipe.

Agree 100%

Rochard makes it sound as if all webmasters were doing what he proposes. Truth is very few did that consistently.

No other online content producer did what we did, consistently sell to offline and online.

Paul Markham · 10-24-2019, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by adultinnovation

Porn has to be the only industry ever that destroyed itself by giving away for free what it tries to sell.. haha fucking idiots.

Imagine if tomorrow there was not 1 single site on the internet that shows a porn video or picture for free.

Everyone would rolling in money instantly.

Those getting off on free porn would be forced to buy. $30 a month, or even 3 months, isn't much. The problem is a tube is easier to run than a paysite.

Paul Markham · 10-24-2019, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wankawonk

it sounds like you just don't want to be part of the game in an era where tubes exist.

no one can fault you for that but I think you know exactly what you needed to do to adapt...and it just wasn't worth it to you.

At 58 fighting cancer I decided the demise of our magazine side of the business and tubes it was time to retire.

Running a tube site on all our domains would have been easy, the unique traffic they were getting daily would have stayed, building solidly.

The problem was always my health.

Paul Markham · 10-24-2019, 01:26 AM

Producing content for magazines wasn't as easy as it was for online.

All the good paying magazines wanted sets on film, I would shoot the film set with my wife or employee in tandem. Online content producers were clueless at lighting a set. I would personally visit editors and see the discs they received of sets and never opened.

Online couldn't afford to wait 6 to 18 months to get paid. After paying the model $500, film costs, make up, etc on the day of the shoot.

They wanted to buy from people who would consistently produce the right content for their magazine. The right style, model, poses, location, etc. There was no point in submitting work that didn't match their magazine.

We consistently produced teen style work in solo, lesbian boy girl sets. If we had found a webmaster who could have taken our business beyond what the magazines were paying. We could have increased production, by shooting the best girls even more than we did. Sadly none approached us with an offer that could tempt me to give up shooting non exclusive for online and offline.

The problem is when we were asked to shoot by programs they were offering a derisory price. $300 to $500 for a solo girl set and video, $800 to $1,00 for lesbian, $1,200 to $2,000 for B/G. It made more financial sense to release it on the content stores and let the money slowly roll in.

There problem was funding good content, paying and supporting affiliates, hosting, etc. As the 50% to affiliates was a fixed price and the support they demanded. The spend on content was cut to the bone. The problem was that with shit content you're unlikely to get it listed on a TGP, can't afford to buy ad space, affiliates won't promote you, surfers won't look twice and few pay to join.

The only way to make money with poor content was to go the way of ATK, Karups who spent a lot every month on content. But only paying $300 to $400 for an exclusive set and video.

JSWENSON · 10-24-2019, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

At 58 fighting cancer I decided the demise of our magazine side of the business and tubes it was time to retire.

Running a tube site on all our domains would have been easy, the unique traffic they were getting daily would have stayed, building solidly.

The problem was always my health.

The odds of you running a successful tube at any point in history is zero. The odds you'd even be able to get one functioning on a server that didn't cost you 50k a week in bandwidth is 0. You have not adapted to a single thing since you've been on these forums.

JSWENSON · 10-24-2019, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Producing content for magazines wasn't as easy as it was for online.

All the good paying magazines wanted sets on film, I would shoot the film set with my wife or employee in tandem. Online content producers were clueless at lighting a set. I would personally visit editors and see the discs they received of sets and never opened.

Online couldn't afford to wait 6 to 18 months to get paid. After paying the model $500, film costs, make up, etc on the day of the shoot.

They wanted to buy from people who would consistently produce the right content for their magazine. The right style, model, poses, location, etc. There was no point in submitting work that didn't match their magazine.

We consistently produced teen style work in solo, lesbian boy girl sets. If we had found a webmaster who could have taken our business beyond what the magazines were paying. We could have increased production, by shooting the best girls even more than we did. Sadly none approached us with an offer that could tempt me to give up shooting non exclusive for online and offline.

The problem is when we were asked to shoot by programs they were offering a derisory price. $300 to $500 for a solo girl set and video, $800 to $1,00 for lesbian, $1,200 to $2,000 for B/G. It made more financial sense to release it on the content stores and let the money slowly roll in.

There problem was funding good content, paying and supporting affiliates, hosting, etc. As the 50% to affiliates was a fixed price and the support they demanded. The spend on content was cut to the bone. The problem was that with shit content you're unlikely to get it listed on a TGP, can't afford to buy ad space, affiliates won't promote you, surfers won't look twice and few pay to join.

The only way to make money with poor content was to go the way of ATK, Karups who spent a lot every month on content. But only paying $300 to $400 for an exclusive set and video.

Imagine looking at the literal swarms of girls that run their own shit and make millions per year in 2019 and still thinking any of this mattered. You could have done so many things with those European model rates but instead took 80's style magazine pics, 96 style paysite videos and pissed in the wind to sell it while talking shit about amateur content, cams and tubes all along the way.

Imagine being so fucking stupid that you see YouTube flourishing but swear up and down that porn tubes were doomed to fail, would be closed down, etc.

Imagine.

Rochard · 10-24-2019, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Obviously there's some great quality stuff being made that's making money.

But in my own round about way that's not the point I'm trying to make. My point is that there's no fucking formula for adapting. Everyone has to use their own brains and figure out what to do for themselves.

In our situation we ended up making low end garbage for slobs and the mentally warped.

You are 100%. There is no formula for adapting and every case is vastly different.

And there is nothing wrong with "average" or amateur content. There is a market for everything.

NatalieK · 10-24-2019, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

you can not bring this argument in a discussion with paul.

you say: i am fine
and paul say: no

so where shall that lead to?

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If I had time I would have done all the marketing required. Finding and shooting new hot talent took up a lot of our time.

Regular scouting trips to Prague and other Czech cities didn't allow us the time.

maybe this is where you went wrong...

there´s enough money still to be made in porn & a huge amount of people throughout the world love watching the Brits, a British amateur, you didn´t need to go scouting to Prague just to make yourself feel special.

Marketing is easy, just using a POS website, a blog and some feeds to the blog...

I´m considering shooting for a large company like Brazzers or Bangbus, maybe film 2 or 3 movies for them, get my name out there now i´ve done the initial job or retaining my name on sites like freeones, IMDB & tubes. We´ve always wanted to keep me and my personal porn name as my own copyright, no one else has any footage, although, dogging don was going to meet up with me, it just never happened.

I can imagine being promoted by a large company like brazzers, my fan base would grow 10 fold overnight...

Rochard · 10-24-2019, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You talk as if everyone with a program made a success of it.

It was hard NOT to make money. I know one affilaite who bought a domain name, launched a TGP, and was driving a Ferrari before he was legal drinking age.

Instead of branching out into other areas of our industry you stuck with what you knew best, photography. There is nothing wrong with that - we all did this to some degree.

All of us failed to adapt. Looking back at the past twenty years in adult I see I too failed to adapt. I was making so much money running porn sites that I saw no reason to change. Looking back at it all I see exactly what I should have done... Our industry has an amazing business model which is why it works so well, but there is one area of our industry that always makes money no matter what... I am disappointed I didn't move in that direction.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes the problem was I couldn't find someone I knew and trusted to run a paysite. Why didn't you or someone like you approach me to run a paysite? Big failure on the webmasters side.

People that were running programs were either doing it for themselves or making so much money doing it that it was hard to get them to go to work for someone else.

The Porn Nerd · 10-24-2019, 05:21 PM

I recently read The Burnout Generation (a freebie on Audible if you have a subscription). It was about Millennials and what they are struggling with in society. Highly recommended.

The author, like myself, started out as a freelance writer. Somehow she "made it" by getting steady work, being published (online mostly) and somehow eeking out a living. Just like I did in my twenties. She made an interesting comment, saying how her success was mostly due to being n the right place at the right time, knowing just one or two of the 'right people' and the rest was luck. Just like for me. The thing we had in common tho was an unrelenting, unstoppable drive that kept us going even when failue was all around us.

Her/my point is that her 'success' was unreplicatable, as was mine. The same holds true for my years in the adult business. Sure I can show someone how to do this or that but really each person has to find their own way. The key factor is desire and drive, and it sounds like Paul, after years in the magazine game, was burned out. He was older (in his fifties) and dealing with a changing technology and just didn't want to deal with it. Thus, retirement and any attempts at online success failed because his heart was not in it and he didn't work 20 hours a day 7 days a week to get somewhere.

No shame in any of that! Just the way it is for some people.

wankawonk · 10-24-2019, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The key factor is desire and drive, and it sounds like Paul, after years in the magazine game, was burned out. He was older (in his fifties) and dealing with a changing technology and just didn't want to deal with it. Thus, retirement and any attempts at online success failed because his heart was not in it and he didn't work 20 hours a day 7 days a week to get somewhere.

No shame in any of that! Just the way it is for some people.

Exactly...why make a thread "how should we have adapted" when it's clear to Paul and everyone else that his heart just wasn't in the game post-tubes?

wankawonk · 10-24-2019, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

Imagine being so fucking stupid that you see YouTube flourishing but swear up and down that porn tubes were doomed to fail, would be closed down, etc.

That's called cognitive dissonance and it's easy to make fun of but we all do it.

lock · 10-25-2019, 12:58 AM

Interesting read thanks for sharing.

notinmybackyard · 10-25-2019, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You are 100%. There is no formula for adapting and every case is vastly different.

And there is nothing wrong with "average" or amateur content. There is a market for everything.

At the end of the day someone is either about the money or they're not.

I mean I'm "mostly retired" and the business that I built makes pure crap that I could never get off on. But the bullshit sells and realy that's all that's important.

Honestly I would love to go back to the old days when I worked with people like Claudine Beccarie and Lasse Braun. Back then the women were absolutely beautiful and total class and us guys were gentlemen. Lord I miss those days.

Now maybe one day it'll be like that again but at the present moment there are a mountain of people willing to pay me to see crap. So we move forward with that crap.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You are 100%. There is no formula for adapting and every case is vastly different.

And there is nothing wrong with "average" or amateur content. There is a market for everything.

You're definition of adapting only means people from a side of the industry doing what you do. How about we look at it from the other side.

Met Art level programs make way more than you do. So why didn't you take time to learn how to shoot content at a far higher level and use your amazing skills to drive traffic to a better site than the Bunny Ranch. A site that failed because the content couldn't attract enough traffic and convert it to pay the cost of continual production.

This also applies to all the other webmasters who couldn't adapt.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

maybe this is where you went wrong...

there´s enough money still to be made in porn & a huge amount of people throughout the world love watching the Brits, a British amateur, you didn´t need to go scouting to Prague just to make yourself feel special.

Marketing is easy, just using a POS website, a blog and some feeds to the blog...

I´m considering shooting for a large company like Brazzers or Bangbus, maybe film 2 or 3 movies for them, get my name out there now i´ve done the initial job or retaining my name on sites like freeones, IMDB & tubes. We´ve always wanted to keep me and my personal porn name as my own copyright, no one else has any footage, although, dogging don was going to meet up with me, it just never happened.

I can imagine being promoted by a large company like brazzers, my fan base would grow 10 fold overnight...

The money made from amateur will always be split amongst 1,000s of sites. It's easy to produce so 1,000s produce it. As you climb up the ladder it gets harder to produce and the increase in sites who can't make it increase. Czech and Hungary have a quality of girls that far surpasses the UK. Don't tell me about markets I worked in.

You can't get on Brazzers because your level of skills aren't as high as there's.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

It was hard NOT to make money. I know one affilaite who bought a domain name, launched a TGP, and was driving a Ferrari before he was legal drinking age.

Instead of branching out into other areas of our industry you stuck with what you knew best, photography. There is nothing wrong with that - we all did this to some degree.

All of us failed to adapt. Looking back at the past twenty years in adult I see I too failed to adapt. I was making so much money running porn sites that I saw no reason to change. Looking back at it all I see exactly what I should have done... Our industry has an amazing business model which is why it works so well, but there is one area of our industry that always makes money no matter what... I am disappointed I didn't move in that direction.

People that were running programs were either doing it for themselves or making so much money doing it that it was hard to get them to go to work for someone else.

In the content production side I adapted from selling photos, to launching my own paysite and making 150 to 200 sign ups a week by doing very little.

But you are right, very few have adapted into other sides of the business. One webmaster opening a TGP site and being a success is a poor example when 100s opened TGP sites and barely made a mark.

I was never approaching people running programs to team up with after my early encounters with them. I needed a skilled webmaster to handle the traffic side. Designs, galleries, programming, content production we could handle in house, even some affiliate work could be done in house by students working part time.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wankawonk

Exactly...why make a thread "how should we have adapted" when it's clear to Paul and everyone else that his heart just wasn't in the game post-tubes?

I'm asking all the clever asses how we should have adapted pre tubes.

My heart went out when the magazine side died. We could have carried on with just that side, it was the bigger money side that required less work and costs.

The magazine level was higher but better paid the online which was far easier to churn out but needed more production.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wankawonk

That's called cognitive dissonance and it's easy to make fun of but we all do it.

People who draw a parallel between Youtube and porn tubes are as stupid as those who draw a parallel between the free samples in a supermarket and what the porn industry does.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Her/my point is that her 'success' was unreplicatable, as was mine. The same holds true for my years in the adult business. Sure I can show someone how to do this or that but really each person has to find their own way.

No shame in any of that! Just the way it is for some people.

I could show people how to point a camera and click the shutter. Would that make them as good as we were? No because of my ability to coax the best out of models, to light, pose, direct, control, build a scene.

One only has to look at all the webmaster experts attempts to open paysites to see their failure to adapt. Most could never afford the huge costs of the content to start up.

50 - 100 scenes for $600 - $2,000, Hosting, design, programming was way beyond the fortunes they claimed to be making as affiliates. So they either shot it themselves and came up with a poor product or got another cheap bloke to shoot it for them. Hence your ability to pick up loads of sites or shoot content yourself.

Now wait for all the clever asses to tell us they know someone who started a paysite with nothing and now flying in a personal jet.

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The key factor is desire and drive, and it sounds like Paul, after years in the magazine game, was burned out. He was older (in his fifties) and dealing with a changing technology and just didn't want to deal with it. Thus, retirement and any attempts at online success failed because his heart was not in it and he didn't work 20 hours a day 7 days a week to get somewhere.

30 years a content producer and selling on to publishers and direct is enough. I had planned to retire in 2000 but met Eva and at 22 she had no visions of living in Thailand on a beach and the prospect of doing something new in Czech excited me.

But when the magazines died or stopped buying, it meant working twice as hard to earn half, or retiring and enjoying my remaining years.

What part of this makes you think I could come back? Due to my health.

NatalieK · 10-25-2019, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You can't get on Brazzers because your level of skills aren't as high as there's.

how do you know how high my acting and fucking skills are??

I give excellent blowjobs, handjobs, fucked more than 10 guys at parties & have always enjoyed sex. I´m still at an age where they would be appreciating a new comer to their market, yet have my name already set in stone through the channels

I stay very calm & professional even when the weather´s 40c & i´m wearing a dress just to shoot some photos in...

King Mark · 10-25-2019, 03:59 AM

You have several tips in this thread. You just want somebody to buy your content packages. Nobody will. Them times are over.

The only chances to adapt I see, you dont want to do because it requires you work... about as hard as you work posting here... lol

Good luck bro. I respect you as an OG in this biz. Legend that had his time, and refused to exploit it in the end. Try not to go out bitter tho.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions

how do you know how high my acting and fucking skills are??

I give excellent blowjobs, handjobs, fucked more than 10 guys at parties & have always enjoyed sex. I´m still at an age where they would be appreciating a new comer to their market, yet have my name already set in stone through the channels

I stay very calm & professional even when the weather´s 40c & i´m wearing a dress just to shoot some photos in...

If you think this is anything more than amateur you're delusional. My Astral Blue scenes were more professional than this. No decent audio, No decent lighting, no decent camera work, not even a camera on a tripod.

There are 1,000s of girls who can give "excellent blowjobs, handjobs, fucked more than 10 guys at parties & have always enjoyed sex". But fewer cameramen who know how to film it.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by King Mark

You have several tips in this thread. You just want somebody to buy your content packages. Nobody will. Them times are over.

The only chances to adapt I see, you dont want to do because it requires you work... about as hard as you work posting here... lol

Good luck bro. I respect you as an OG in this biz. Legend that had his time, and refused to exploit it in the end. Try not to go out bitter tho.

Seeing as you can't afford to buy my content and make a return on it by submitting it to all clip and PPV sites. I would say you can't afford to buy it. Still many others do.

How many of us adapted to other sides of the industry successfully? King Mark never did.

JSWENSON · 10-25-2019, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

People who draw a parallel between Youtube and porn tubes are as stupid as those who draw a parallel between the free samples in a supermarket and what the porn industry does.

It is you who is completely stupid here. The fucking point is that you and several other idiots were running around crying about anyone that built a tube site, used a tube site or even talked good about them. The arguments were many and all were dumb but mostly "oh they'll get shut down!"

As if YouTube would allow laws to pass that could make that happen. As if it would be possible anyhow.

You are still here yapping about your amazing photography skills as if that should have carried you. Nobody thought your stuff was hot shit, you shot professional porn when very few did so your content was sold. The end.

And your disdain of webmasters is THE reason you failed at your own paysite. You're still repeating that you could just hire out the traffic help to students as if they would have the thousands of sites with millions of visits per day that webmasters as a whole had collectively way back then. 100% pure fucking get off my lawn stupidity but that is nothing new. I had always hoped you were trolling for fun and I still think you are but you've been repeating this moronic diatribe for so long that you must believe it.

No Paul, your part time foreign fucking students can't replicate the results of even 20 mid tier webmasters. I also believe you got 100-200 signups per week none. It didn't happen or you'd be riding around in sports cars fucking those Czech women you speak so highly of but nobody really wants to see on a large scale either.

King Mark · 10-25-2019, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Seeing as you can't afford to buy my content and make a return on it by submitting it to all clip and PPV sites. I would say you can't afford to buy it. Still many others do.

How many of us adapted to other sides of the industry successfully? King Mark never did.

You do realize I've tried to help you and praise you? Lol. The advice you've gotten in this thread and your other cry for help threads could actually help you bro. Instead you prove that you're just a lazy fuck who insulted everyone who answered the question you asked, and then you try to use the cancer victim card... Lmao

Nobody is buying your content packages paul. They suck. Your best bet is to monetize them yourself like I told you, and use your cranky old porner shenanigans to promote them. Adapt to the social media era.

Anybody can flick their bean on live cam now and earn more than you ever did without buying your shitty content. You don't understand that middlemen like you are no longer needed... Like VCR's.

I also thought you were trolling for a while, but it's apparent you are legit pissed that you became obsolete in this industry.

Have fun dying broke, sick and bitter.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by King Mark

You do realize I've tried to help you and praise you? Lol. The advice you've gotten in this thread and your other cry for help threads could actually help you bro. Instead you prove that you're just a lazy fuck who insulted everyone who answered the question you asked, and then you try to use the cancer victim card... Lmao

Nobody is buying your content packages paul. They suck. Your best bet is to monetize them yourself like I told you, and use your cranky old porner shenanigans to promote them. Adapt to the social media era.

Anybody can flick their bean on live cam now and earn more than you ever did without buying your shitty content. You don't understand that middlemen like you are no longer needed... Like VCR's.

I also thought you were trolling for a while, but it's apparent you are legit pissed that you became obsolete in this industry.

Have fun dying broke, sick and bitter.

But why can't you get this, I don't need to work, I don't want to work, my health isn't good enough to work even more than posting here.

So show us your live cam show which earns you $1,000s per scene.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

It is you who is completely stupid here. The fucking point is that you and several other idiots were running around crying about anyone that built a tube site, used a tube site or even talked good about them. The arguments were many and all were dumb but mostly "oh they'll get shut down!"

As if YouTube would allow laws to pass that could make that happen. As if it would be possible anyhow.

You are still here yapping about your amazing photography skills as if that should have carried you. Nobody thought your stuff was hot shit, you shot professional porn when very few did so your content was sold. The end.

And your disdain of webmasters is THE reason you failed at your own paysite. You're still repeating that you could just hire out the traffic help to students as if they would have the thousands of sites with millions of visits per day that webmasters as a whole had collectively way back then. 100% pure fucking get off my lawn stupidity but that is nothing new. I had always hoped you were trolling for fun and I still think you are but you've been repeating this moronic diatribe for so long that you must believe it.

No Paul, your part time foreign fucking students can't replicate the results of even 20 mid tier webmasters. I also believe you got 100-200 signups per week none. It didn't happen or you'd be riding around in sports cars fucking those Czech women you speak so highly of but nobody really wants to see on a large scale either.

Closing down porn tubes could be done by putting all porn behind membership areas. Mo credit card, no access to children. Not 100% but better than nothing, the reason governments don't is they can't be bothered.

As for your theory on students building sites. We have a lot of colleges and universities here in Brno that teach basic computer programming up to advanced systems development. Getting these people to build 1,000s of sites would be easy.

Show us your sites making 100 sign ups per week with millions of visits.

How much adapting did you do? Show us please.

JSWENSON
Adult Industry Sector
Software Programming

Why din't you adapt and open a paysite, with the content you shot and make some real money. Or is it only me who did't adapt?

King Mark · 10-25-2019, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

But why can't you get this, I don't need to work, I don't want to work, my health isn't good enough to work even more than posting here.

Fair enough. Just remember that next time you want to ask these questions again. You ask, so answers come. That's kinda how forums work.

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So show us your live cam show which earns you $1,000s per scene.

I took a different route when I adapted. I'm in the royalties/publishing game now.

Also, social media marketing. I don't name drop, especially on gfy, but many of my clients can be found in my sig.

JSWENSON · 10-25-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Closing down porn tubes could be done by putting all porn behind membership areas. Mo credit card, no access to children. Not 100% but better than nothing, the reason governments don't is they can't be bothered.

Idealistic hypotheticals are useless, you would never make everyone put content behind a paywall when some would build a tube for pure fun and others to cash in the billions left behind by people stuck in the 80s.

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As for your theory on students building sites. We have a lot of colleges and universities here in Brno that teach basic computer programming up to advanced systems development. Getting these people to build 1,000s of sites would be easy.

Claiming that random idiots you hire could send the traffic that webmasters, who own thousands of sites and have experience, is so laughably pathetic at this point. I really wish you'd try it publicly so we could all laugh.

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Show us your sites making 100 sign ups per week with millions of visits.

I promoted webcams and ACTUAL amateur girls. I still get regular checks from my efforts that ended in 2015 and have made more in porn than you did with your $3000 scenes.

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How much adapting did you do? Show us please.

I didn't have to adapt much. I promoted iFriends starting in 2001 and made a killing from then until now. All of my effort is still relevant because I saw the writing on the wall long before paysites went specialized, you were here bitching about low quality cam content when it was earning more money than you could ever dream of because IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT. I later ran the largest real amateur submitted video site on the internet until I sold it in 2015, it was reddit related so you can find it if you try hard enough. I promoted nothing there but Chaturbate and did amazing. I also adapted into mainstream big, offline stores and more and still rock out online daily. You?

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JSWENSON
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Look at my post count. I haven't updated my profile in so long you know more about what's in it than I do. I still program my own shit mostly because I can't find what I need anywhere else but I've been an affiliate and site owner for far longer. I'm also not for hire.

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Why din't you adapt and open a paysite, with the content you shot and make some real money. Or is it only me who did't adapt?

I don't shoot content, I don't want a paysite. Cams paid better and are still paying better if you have a fucking clue. When Chaturbate launched I got back into actively working on adult because I knew it would be a juggernaut from the instant I saw it. Ask them how much they are raking in now because it's an endless line of trucks dumping money at their feet with content you'd scream isn't worthy.

The Porn Nerd · 10-25-2019, 07:56 PM

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Idealistic hypotheticals are useless, you would never make everyone put content behind a paywall when some would build a tube for pure fun and others to cash in the billions left behind by people stuck in the 80s.

Claiming that random idiots you hire could send the traffic that webmasters, who own thousands of sites and have experience, is so laughably pathetic at this point. I really wish you'd try it publicly so we could all laugh.

I promoted webcams and ACTUAL amateur girls. I still get regular checks from my efforts that ended in 2015 and have made more in porn than you did with your $3000 scenes.

I didn't have to adapt much. I promoted iFriends starting in 2001 and made a killing from then until now. All of my effort is still relevant because I saw the writing on the wall long before paysites went specialized, you were here bitching about low quality cam content when it was earning more money than you could ever dream of because IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT. I later ran the largest real amateur submitted video site on the internet until I sold it in 2015, it was reddit related so you can find it if you try hard enough. I promoted nothing there but Chaturbate and did amazing. I also adapted into mainstream big, offline stores and more and still rock out online daily. You?

Look at my post count. I haven't updated my profile in so long you know more about what's in it than I do. I still program my own shit mostly because I can't find what I need anywhere else but I've been an affiliate and site owner for far longer. I'm also not for hire.

I don't shoot content, I don't want a paysite. Cams paid better and are still paying better if you have a fucking clue. When Chaturbate launched I got back into actively working on adult because I knew it would be a juggernaut from the instant I saw it. Ask them how much they are raking in now because it's an endless line of trucks dumping money at their feet with content you'd scream isn't worthy.

Don't even bother mate. You have to understand that, as a photographer and content producer, Paul is an enormous snob. Being British just adds to that feeling of natural superiority. I see it in ex-pats all the time here in Amsterdam. Being one, I can spot them and they are always the most arrogant gits in the pub. LOL

Paul dismisses anything he considers shit as 'content'. To him, if it's 'shit' then it's not really content, etc. He fancies himself an 'artist' deep down so anything that doesn't meet his hairy pre-1990's exploited under-nourished teens standards is unworthy of discussion.

JSWENSON · 10-25-2019, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Don't even bother mate. You have to understand that, as a photographer and content producer, Paul is an enormous snob. Being British just adds to that feeling of natural superiority. I see it in ex-pats all the time here in Amsterdam. Being one, I can spot them and they are always the most arrogant gits in the pub. LOL

Paul dismisses anything he considers shit as 'content'. To him, if it's 'shit' then it's not really content, etc. He fancies himself an 'artist' deep down so anything that doesn't meet his hairy pre-1990's exploited under-nourished teens standards is unworthy of discussion.

I know but forum is dead and I see some of his idiocy every time I come here and that has been true for longer than I remember. I wouldn't take his content for free if we were in 2009 but he somehow thinks it's the pinnacle of porn which is hilarious. The British smug mixed with lies about 200 signup weeks when everyone saw him struggle with that piece of shit website from day 1 is sad.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 11:09 PM

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Fair enough. Just remember that next time you want to ask these questions again. You ask, so answers come. That's kinda how forums work.

I took a different route when I adapted. I'm in the royalties/publishing game now.

Also, social media marketing. I don't name drop, especially on gfy, but many of my clients can be found in my sig.

I wanted serious answers relating to the time I was working.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Don't even bother mate. You have to understand that, as a photographer and content producer, Paul is an enormous snob. Being British just adds to that feeling of natural superiority. I see it in ex-pats all the time here in Amsterdam. Being one, I can spot them and they are always the most arrogant gits in the pub. LOL

Paul dismisses anything he considers shit as 'content'. To him, if it's 'shit' then it's not really content, etc. He fancies himself an 'artist' deep down so anything that doesn't meet his hairy pre-1990's exploited under-nourished teens standards is unworthy of discussion.

So people telling me I'm broke, produced shit, couldn't sell should be allowed to carry on. The truth is you wouldn't be able to pick up sites with good content because they would be promoting themselves.

I will ignore your lies about my content because I would hate you to think I was an enormous snob and the most arrogant git in the pub.

pimpmaster9000 · 10-25-2019, 11:17 PM

You should have transplanted your brain...this would have helped a LOT...

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

Idealistic hypotheticals are useless, you would never make everyone put content behind a paywall when some would build a tube for pure fun and others to cash in the billions left behind by people stuck in the 80s.

Putting up a paysite costs a lot more money than launching a tube or having 100s of sites with backlinks.

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Claiming that random idiots you hire could send the traffic that webmasters, who own thousands of sites and have experience, is so laughably pathetic at this point. I really wish you'd try it publicly so we could all laugh.

Who said random idiots?

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I promoted webcams and ACTUAL amateur girls. I still get regular checks from my efforts that ended in 2015 and have made more in porn than you did with your $3000 scenes.

Prove it.

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I didn't have to adapt much. I promoted iFriends starting in 2001 and made a killing from then until now. All of my effort is still relevant because I saw the writing on the wall long before paysites went specialized, you were here bitching about low quality cam content when it was earning more money than you could ever dream of because IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT. I later ran the largest real amateur submitted video site on the internet until I sold it in 2015, it was reddit related so you can find it if you try hard enough. I promoted nothing there but Chaturbate and did amazing. I also adapted into mainstream big, offline stores and more and still rock out online daily. You?

How do you know how much I earn?

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Look at my post count. I haven't updated my profile in so long you know more about what's in it than I do. I still program my own shit mostly because I can't find what I need anywhere else but I've been an affiliate and site owner for far longer. I'm also not for hire.

So you never adapted.

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I don't shoot content, I don't want a paysite. Cams paid better and are still paying better if you have a fucking clue. When Chaturbate launched I got back into actively working on adult because I knew it would be a juggernaut from the instant I saw it. Ask them how much they are raking in now because it's an endless line of trucks dumping money at their feet with content you'd scream isn't worthy.

Good paysites cost too much for you to even think of starting one.

And here we have it. A loud mouth blowhard lying about my work, proving nothing by showing nothing, because if he did we would see what he really does.

JSWENSON · 10-25-2019, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

silly shit

"Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
All downloadable from Dropbox. PM me for a deal."

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 11:37 PM

What a pity all you one man bands couldn't come to me and team up taking the webmaster roll while I concentrated on producing content for a paysite or paysites. Maybe then you would understand that teen content hasn't changed much in 30 years, except for clothing,hairstyles and shaven pussies.

It's a pity you couldn't adapt, open a paysite with great content that sold. But you're all convinced I should have adapted and done what you did. Ferrari must of been having great sales with you all owning one.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2019, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

"Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
All downloadable from Dropbox. PM me for a deal."

It's priced so many of you can afford it.

Tell us exactly how teen content has changed in the last 30 years.

JSWENSON · 10-25-2019, 11:43 PM

By the way, I adapted by getting tons of awesome and realistically arranged props.

And shooting "the most beautiful girls in the world".

JSWENSON · 10-25-2019, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

What a pity all you one man bands couldn't come to me and team up taking the webmaster roll while I concentrated on producing content for a paysite or paysites. Maybe then you would understand that teen content hasn't changed much in 30 years, except for clothing,hairstyles and shaven pussies.

It's a pity you couldn't adapt, open a paysite with great content that sold. But you're all convinced I should have adapted and done what you did. Ferrari must of been having great sales with you all owning one.

Nobody liked your damn content, why is this so hard to understand? Every time I see a photo you shot it reminds me of the old ass Hustler magazines I found as a teen.

Paul Markham · 10-26-2019, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

By the way, I adapted by getting tons of awesome and realistically arranged props.

And shooting "the most beautiful girls in the world".

Pulling out one set won't convince anyone.

There aren't enough most beautiful girls in the world. Who will do porn.

Stop revealing how little you know about content.

Paul Markham · 10-26-2019, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON

Nobody liked your damn content, why is this so hard to understand? Every time I see a photo you shot it reminds me of the old ass Hustler magazines I found as a teen.

If no one liked it, how did I remain in business for so long?

We sold sets to Barely Legal during 2008 so once again you're clueless. We did shoot for magazines primarily because they paid far more, are you suggesting we shoot in the style the lowest payers paid.

When do you send traffic to the worst paying sites?

Ferus · 10-26-2019, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How do you know how much I earn?
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1 - Your company records are public. Cost between $5 and $20 to get a report. On the darkweb your personale taxreturns cost $50
2 - if you check the old scanner communities, your content is rarely scanne, because its not in de and.
3 - your partner(the one with the dispatch job now) told me
4 - where you live proves the above 3. Its a shithole and anyone can confirm it on Google maps

RBM_Paul · 10-26-2019, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So how should we have adapted?

Opened an exclusive paysite? They must think that content producers we had the hard part mastered and doing the webmaster part was easy. Then where is their great website?

Close the magazine set side of the business and done what so many online content producers did. From home because who could afford studios and staff? Not AmazingContent.com who is quick to tell us how we failed.

Become an affiliate? Which must be very easy in their opinion.

Become a programmer?

He is selling... not sure to who I spoke with him a few days ago.

Roald · 10-26-2019, 08:09 AM

So did we figure out yet how we should have adapted?

thommy · 10-26-2019, 08:33 AM

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It is you who is completely stupid here. The fucking point is that you and several other idiots were running around crying about anyone that built a tube site, used a tube site or even talked good about them. The arguments were many and all were dumb but mostly "oh they'll get shut down!"

As if YouTube would allow laws to pass that could make that happen. As if it would be possible anyhow.

You are still here yapping about your amazing photography skills as if that should have carried you. Nobody thought your stuff was hot shit, you shot professional porn when very few did so your content was sold. The end.

And your disdain of webmasters is THE reason you failed at your own paysite. You're still repeating that you could just hire out the traffic help to students as if they would have the thousands of sites with millions of visits per day that webmasters as a whole had collectively way back then. 100% pure fucking get off my lawn stupidity but that is nothing new. I had always hoped you were trolling for fun and I still think you are but you've been repeating this moronic diatribe for so long that you must believe it.

No Paul, your part time foreign fucking students can't replicate the results of even 20 mid tier webmasters. I also believe you got 100-200 signups per week none. It didn't happen or you'd be riding around in sports cars fucking those Czech women you speak so highly of but nobody really wants to see on a large scale either.

nothing to add on that.

on one site he thinks the tubes killed the market (what is definitely not the case), than he comes up with ideas to put all porn behind paywalls and give the complete market to the indian, chinese, turkisch and russians that give a shit on laws and finally he come up with the idea that an ameteur can pay other ameteurs to make professional work.

there is no word for his stupidy, ignorance and unprofessionality.
the only thing he is good for is: read his crap and do the opposite - at least you prevented one big error by doing it this way.

10-24-2019, 01:26 AM	#57
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Producing content for magazines wasn't as easy as it was for online. All the good paying magazines wanted sets on film, I would shoot the film set with my wife or employee in tandem. Online content producers were clueless at lighting a set. I would personally visit editors and see the discs they received of sets and never opened. Online couldn't afford to wait 6 to 18 months to get paid. After paying the model $500, film costs, make up, etc on the day of the shoot. They wanted to buy from people who would consistently produce the right content for their magazine. The right style, model, poses, location, etc. There was no point in submitting work that didn't match their magazine. We consistently produced teen style work in solo, lesbian boy girl sets. If we had found a webmaster who could have taken our business beyond what the magazines were paying. We could have increased production, by shooting the best girls even more than we did. Sadly none approached us with an offer that could tempt me to give up shooting non exclusive for online and offline. The problem is when we were asked to shoot by programs they were offering a derisory price. $300 to $500 for a solo girl set and video, $800 to $1,00 for lesbian, $1,200 to $2,000 for B/G. It made more financial sense to release it on the content stores and let the money slowly roll in. There problem was funding good content, paying and supporting affiliates, hosting, etc. As the 50% to affiliates was a fixed price and the support they demanded. The spend on content was cut to the bone. The problem was that with shit content you're unlikely to get it listed on a TGP, can't afford to buy ad space, affiliates won't promote you, surfers won't look twice and few pay to join. The only way to make money with poor content was to go the way of ATK, Karups who spent a lot every month on content. But only paying $300 to $400 for an exclusive set and video. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-24-2019, 05:21 PM	#63
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,490	I recently read The Burnout Generation (a freebie on Audible if you have a subscription). It was about Millennials and what they are struggling with in society. Highly recommended. The author, like myself, started out as a freelance writer. Somehow she "made it" by getting steady work, being published (online mostly) and somehow eeking out a living. Just like I did in my twenties. She made an interesting comment, saying how her success was mostly due to being n the right place at the right time, knowing just one or two of the 'right people' and the rest was luck. Just like for me. The thing we had in common tho was an unrelenting, unstoppable drive that kept us going even when failue was all around us. Her/my point is that her 'success' was unreplicatable, as was mine. The same holds true for my years in the adult business. Sure I can show someone how to do this or that but really each person has to find their own way. The key factor is desire and drive, and it sounds like Paul, after years in the magazine game, was burned out. He was older (in his fifties) and dealing with a changing technology and just didn't want to deal with it. Thus, retirement and any attempts at online success failed because his heart was not in it and he didn't work 20 hours a day 7 days a week to get somewhere. No shame in any of that! Just the way it is for some people. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

10-25-2019, 12:58 AM	#66
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10-25-2019, 11:17 PM	#88
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10-25-2019, 11:37 PM	#91
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	What a pity all you one man bands couldn't come to me and team up taking the webmaster roll while I concentrated on producing content for a paysite or paysites. Maybe then you would understand that teen content hasn't changed much in 30 years, except for clothing,hairstyles and shaven pussies. It's a pity you couldn't adapt, open a paysite with great content that sold. But you're all convinced I should have adapted and done what you did. Ferrari must of been having great sales with you all owning one. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-23-2019, 04:09 PM	#51
King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	Fiddy dinosaurs

10-25-2019, 03:59 AM	#75
King Mark So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 27,033	You have several tips in this thread. You just want somebody to buy your content packages. Nobody will. Them times are over. The only chances to adapt I see, you dont want to do because it requires you work... about as hard as you work posting here... lol Good luck bro. I respect you as an OG in this biz. Legend that had his time, and refused to exploit it in the end. Try not to go out bitter tho.

10-25-2019, 11:43 PM	#93
JSWENSON So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,153	By the way, I adapted by getting tons of awesome and realistically arranged props. And shooting "the most beautiful girls in the world".

10-26-2019, 08:09 AM	#99
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