Business Client is not Paying / Beware

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

In my opinion the client is always RIGHT even when he/she is not.

I have had the pleasure to meet wonderful business people on this board. People that I do business with knowing that we give occasionally content for free, including discounts. And I am grateful to do business with them since they always pay on time and respect inital agreements.

10 months ago a guy called Harry ([email protected]), GFY name https://gfy.com/members/hmpd/ got it touch with our manager.

They needed 16k + videos processed meaning: writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video. The reason we accepted working for only 0.25 usd/vids is because he said that there will be a lot of videos that we will have to skip (mark as poor). This was price under any reasonable rate not to mention that there were times when the script didn't load properly so processing videos was taking much longer than expected.



Anyone working with these types of videos knows how time-intensive they can be and how much attention they need. So our price was beyond fair.


We agreed to accept payments after the completion of every 2k vids because I like to build strong relationships with my clients based on mutual trust. He never aids on time. All payments except the first one were late anywhere from 10-20 days. Once I had to send an email saying that if he does not pay I will post it on GFY and he eventually paid.

This last time - after we processed 16k + videos doing all mentioned work above, writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video, we did a batch of 6k+ videos that were mixed, some required only cover selecting. 4k out of the last batch of 6k+ videos were paid without comment or complaint. So when I requested payment for the last batch of 2k videos, I had to send a reminder 10 days later since he rarely responds and never pays on time. He came back to me saying we should recalculate the payment for the last 4223 videos (including the current 2000) without reason.

The rate of 0.25 usd/vid was agreed on from the beginning, and the last batch we worked on WAS THE ONLY reason we accepted to do business for this shitty rate at the beginning being that here would be ones that only require covers.

Who does business where they think they can change the part of the deal AFTER job is complete. You can't just choose the rate you want to pay and then apply it retroactively. He never mentioned anything like this while the job was being done.

For me $500 usd is a ridiculous amount to bitch about. That's not the point - the point is to warn people from doing business with SHADY cheats. Normally, I would let it go. But IF my manager has to send payment reminders regularly, and IF payment is delayed 15-20 days, and IF someone is so RUDE to try to rip you off like this, then the community needs to know to avoid this asshole.

I don't try to make money off client's mistakes. I was open to negotiate even though he admitted he made a mistake on the deal and just wanted to change it (will post screenshot if needed)
This kind of lying and cheating needs to be called him out so no one gets fucked over like he tried to do to us. Stay safe!

Threads:
https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...developer.html
https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...t-manager.html

[adultchatpay]

Had some content writing work done by Biggie.. and he delivers perfectly. Sad to hear about this rip off.
Bump for you mate!

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by adultchatpay

Had some content writing work done by Biggie.. and he delivers perfectly. Sad to hear about this rip-off.
Bump for you mate!

Thanks budd

[ruff]

If you are still holding the vids, you might consider that you own them now.

[plsureking]

it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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[digitalfantasies]

Originally Posted by plsureking

it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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Bullshit if he was unhappy he should have negotiated a new deal before letting someone process 2000 vids.

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by plsureking

it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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You can defend a cheater if you want, but delaying payments, and changing the rules AFTER work is done and delivered, without warning or asking for a new rate is BAD BUSINESS. Randomly and unilaterally deciding not to pay for work that was outlined, agreed to and accepted is just pure fraud. If your team is too lazy to check work and do QA and give us feedback. That’s on you. It’s trying to snake out a deal that was delivered fairly and on time as we do for all clients without any prepayment. We trusted you - you broke that trust. The money paid previously was for work done and delivered as requested. We didn’t get it for free. NO ONE SHOULD DO BUSINESS WITH LIARS AND UNPRINCIPLED PEOPLE AS YOU. Everyone on GFY knows our long and reputable work history, it’s cons like you that need to pointed out so no one else gets fucked over.

Cheers

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Bullshit if he was unhappy he should have negotiated a new deal before letting someone process 2000 vids.

Exactly

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Now its good to go

Originally Posted by plsureking

you EARNED $3500, still OWES you $500 and you blasted him on gfy.


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[TBFS]

Originally Posted by plsureking

it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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This would be your loss then

I have been working with biggie for close to 1,5 years now.
He is someone that is both honest and hardworking, he is a pleasure to work with.

If a price is agreed upon, and you want to change the deal. You do so BEFORE the work is done/deliverd. not after.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by plsureking

it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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Fuck you.

Don't change the deal after the job is almost done.

Don't do the "End of job dance" where you fuck with the worker with extra task or whatever instead of making payment right away.

Fuck that shit.
That's the 1 and only reason that people say "my programmer disappeared".

We don't disappear; we just fuck you off forever for fucking with the payment when the job is done.

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by TBFS

This would be your loss then

I have been working with biggie for close to 1,5 years now.
He is someone that is both honest and hardworking, he is a pleasure to work with.

If a price is agreed upon, and you want to change the deal. You do so BEFORE the work is done/deliverd. not after.

Thanks for the kind words

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Fuck you.

Don't change the deal after the job is almost done.

Don't do the "End of job dance" where you fuck with the worker with extra task or whatever instead of making payment right away.

Fuck that shit.
That's the 1 and only reason that people say "my programmer disappeared".

We don't disappear; we just fuck you off forever for fucking with the payment when the job is done.

Couldn't agree more

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Biggie Smalls Web Writing

In my opinion the client is always RIGHT even when he/she is not.

I have had the pleasure to meet wonderful business people on this board. People that I do business with knowing that we give occasionally content for free, including discounts. And I am grateful to do business with them since they always pay on time and respect inital agreements.

10 months ago a guy called Harry ([email protected]), GFY name https://gfy.com/members/hmpd/ got it touch with our manager.

They needed 16k + videos processed meaning: writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video. The reason we accepted working for only 0.25 usd/vids is because he said that there will be a lot of videos that we will have to skip (mark as poor). This was price under any reasonable rate not to mention that there were times when the script didn't load properly so processing videos was taking much longer than expected.



Anyone working with these types of videos knows how time-intensive they can be and how much attention they need. So our price was beyond fair.


We agreed to accept payments after the completion of every 2k vids because I like to build strong relationships with my clients based on mutual trust. He never aids on time. All payments except the first one were late anywhere from 10-20 days. Once I had to send an email saying that if he does not pay I will post it on GFY and he eventually paid.

This last time - after we processed 16k + videos doing all mentioned work above, writing titles, tags, actresses, studios, categories and cover selecting for each video, we did a batch of 6k+ videos that were mixed, some required only cover selecting. 4k out of the last batch of 6k+ videos were paid without comment or complaint. So when I requested payment for the last batch of 2k videos, I had to send a reminder 10 days later since he rarely responds and never pays on time. He came back to me saying we should recalculate the payment for the last 4223 videos (including the current 2000) without reason.

The rate of 0.25 usd/vid was agreed on from the beginning, and the last batch we worked on WAS THE ONLY reason we accepted to do business for this shitty rate at the beginning being that here would be ones that only require covers.

Who does business where they think they can change the part of the deal AFTER job is complete. You can't just choose the rate you want to pay and then apply it retroactively. He never mentioned anything like this while the job was being done.

For me $500 usd is a ridiculous amount to bitch about. That's not the point - the point is to warn people from doing business with SHADY cheats. Normally, I would let it go. But IF my manager has to send payment reminders regularly, and IF payment is delayed 15-20 days, and IF someone is so RUDE to try to rip you off like this, then the community needs to know to avoid this asshole.

I don't try to make money off client's mistakes. I was open to negotiate even though he admitted he made a mistake on the deal and just wanted to change it (will post screenshot if needed)
This kind of lying and cheating needs to be called him out so no one gets fucked over like he tried to do to us. Stay safe!

Threads:
https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...developer.html
https://gfy.com/gfy-jobs-and-service...t-manager.html

Anybody who "owns" 16,000 + videos is a crook and a thief... You ought to know that !

[bloggerz]

Originally Posted by celandina

Anybody who "owns" 16,000 + videos is a crook and a thief... You ought to know that !

How so? ...

[ry0t]

The only thing good to ever come out of "marlboroacks's" mouth was "do you own the license to the videos to be doing this?" from this thread of your clients. Hiring Looking for content manager - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

I bet this guy doesnt own the rights to any of the videos and you've been working for a pirate the whole time.

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by celandina

Anybody who "owns" 16,000 + videos is a crook and a thief... You ought to know that !

Well, didn't know

[CaptainHowdy]

Sorry to hear that. You're a great guy to deal with, Biggie.

[plsureking]

you guys heard ONE side of the story. the only email from the client shown here was written before the project began. no statements backing up WHY he disputed the bill.

the client paid 85% of his bill and had a dispute. it happens. i don't blast clients on gfy when they have a dispute or they're unhappy. that's unprofessional. you just advertised that this is what you do if a client has any type of dispute.

he gave you good money and you posted his name here because you didn't get your last 15% payment - for whatever reason. i'd personally be happy with the $3500 and move on. however, that's just my personal opinion and professional standards.

you disagree - great! that means the world is still working..


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[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by plsureking

you guys heard ONE side of the story.

Yeah; but the other side of the story still says that the motherfucker didn't pay.

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by plsureking

i'd personally be happy with the c and move on.
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Dude, we made $3500 over 10 months.

Just sent him link of the thread

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Sorry to hear that. You're a great guy to deal with, Biggie.

Thanks, Captain

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yeah; but the other side of the story still says that the motherfucker didn't pay.

fair enough. i dont know the mofo lol



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[King Mark]

Originally Posted by plsureking

he gave you good money and you posted his name here because you didn't get your last 15% payment - for whatever reason. i'd personally be happy with the $3500 and move on. however, that's just my personal opinion and professional standards.

you disagree - great! that means the world is still working..


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That's a shitty way to do business, but that's your choice. Not everybody is cool with getting punked like that.

A deal is a deal. Pay up.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by King Mark

That's a shitty way to do business, but that's your choice. Not everybody is cool with getting punked like that.

A deal is a deal. Pay up.

"getting punked" - lost that client for sure, plus anyone he knows, and likely some future clients lurking here, over 15% of the bill. who got punked? any real-world company would knock 15% off a bill to keep a customer or client happy. ever complain at a restaurant? they'll knock off 50% to keep you off yelp.

he did what he felt was right. i mentioned that i thought it was unprofessional. people called me names. another day in gfy paradise



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[BlueBookJosh]

Originally Posted by plsureking

it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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My humble opinion that here's not question about money and how much money, the thing is that the dude screwed him over.

Also, he's not asking for something that wasn't pre agreed at first, he's asking for the agreed terms, negotiated at the beginning.

Also he should point at him, and post it here, I would do the same.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I don't know any of these two guys, just saying what's on my mind and not picking a side.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by plsureking

it sounds like he only planned/expected to pay for 10k of them. he paid you a lot of money throughout the project, and only wanted to debate the last bill. that's not fraud. its standard in business if a client is unhappy.

he paid you $3500 and you blasted him on gfy. no one should hire you..



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How do you figure? If Biggie is the one "marking them as poor", then he's still processing them. That costs him money and time.

[Darkcrni]

Sorry to hear man, biz is biz, this guy should pay, no left or right!

[celandina]

Originally Posted by bloggerz

How so? ...

Simple math my Dear Watson :

1) producing ONE video (even the cheapest shit) = $ 800 x 16 K = 12,800,000
2) licensing ONE video ( even the cheapest shit) = $ 200 x 16 K = 3,200,000
3) stealing ONE video ( even the most expensive) = $ 0 x 16 K = 0

Buyer beware .....case closed