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The Click · 05-09-2003, 03:18 PM

I'm sure this has been a topic before but really need a straight and easy answer about my members section authentication problem.

If you login to my member section:

www.mydomain.com/members

Then try and download movies from this folder: www.mydomain.com/members or www.mydomain.com/members/girlie1/ or any damn folder within the members section the server asks for the members username and password EVERY TIME it's a real pain in the ass.

I have tried different things I have had help from other techs but I can't get a plain English answer.

I can paypal $10 to the first person that can explain this to me so I can understand it and fix the problem - you can ICQ me or post your answer to my problem here.

Thanks for your time.

CLICK

nuclei · 05-09-2003, 03:20 PM

It looks like yer actually going to mydomain.com/members and then calling the files as www.mydomain.com/members/*

apache sees mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com as 2 seperate entities.

And this wasnt worth $10 so give it to charity :P

The Click · 05-09-2003, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nuclei
It looks like yer actually going to mydomain.com/members and then calling the files as www.mydomain.com/members/*

apache sees mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com as 2 seperate entities.

And this wasnt worth $10 so give it to charity :P

NOPE that not it. I tried www.mydomain/members/video.mpg

then I tried mydomain/members/video.mpg

same shit, after i entered my login info to get into the members section it still asked me again for username and password before i viewed any videos.

ServerGenius · 05-09-2003, 03:41 PM

Post the contents of your .htaccess file here and I'll fix it for ya.

DynaMite

gornyhuy · 05-09-2003, 03:42 PM

post the contents of your htaccess file...

gornyhuy · 05-09-2003, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain
Post the contents of your .htaccess file here and I'll fix it for ya.

DynaMite

Jinx.
Owe me a toke.

The Click · 05-09-2003, 03:45 PM

can ya ICQ me ya gotta work me though it.

ServerGenius · 05-09-2003, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gornyhuy

Jinx.
Owe me a toke.

I'll split the 10 bucks with ya

DynaMite

p00p · 05-09-2003, 03:47 PM

This sounds like that microsoft bug with media player....try embedding the clips in a webpage, bet they play. My mpegs don't play, but when I embed them in a webpage, they play great.
.wmv files should work too, embedded or not.

The Click · 05-09-2003, 03:47 PM

AuthUserFile /home/clicker/public_html/cgi-bin/pass/.htpasswd
AuthName "Members Only"
AuthType Basic
Require valid-user

ServerGenius · 05-09-2003, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click
can ya ICQ me ya gotta work me though it.

Just post the contents of your .htaccess you can replace the
path and filename of your db file with nonsense.

DynaMite

The Click · 05-09-2003, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p
This sounds like that microsoft bug with media player....try embedding the clips in a webpage, bet they play. My mpegs don't play, but when I embed them in a webpage, they play great.
.wmv files should work too, embedded or not.

rrrr sounds like a lotta work, i know there is a way around this by fukin with the .htaccess file or something

ServerGenius · 05-09-2003, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click
AuthUserFile /home/clicker/public_html/cgi-bin/pass/.htpasswd
AuthName "Members Only"
AuthType Basic
Require valid-user

Looks ok except I would put your db file outside the docroot
of the webserver. It's quite easy to retrieve the file when it's
accessible for browsers

if it's only an issue for movies p00p just answerred that for you.
You owe him 10 bucks now

DynaMite

The Click · 05-09-2003, 03:53 PM

oh ya is this the htaccess file that you are talking about?

Editing/home/clicker/www/members/.htaccess

AuthUserFile /home/clicker/public_html/cgi-bin/pass/.htpasswd
AuthName "Members Only"
AuthType Basic
Require valid-user

The Click · 05-09-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DynaSpain

Looks ok except I would put your db file outside the docroot
of the webserver. It's quite easy to retrieve the file when it's
accessible for browsers

if it's only an issue for movies p00p just answerred that for you.
You owe him 10 bucks now

DynaMite

It's an issue to access folders where pictures are within the members section too, so i guess it's not just movies.

I would gladly give p00p $10 if i could help me figure out what the problem is.

p00p · 05-09-2003, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click

It's an issue to access folders where pictures are within the members section too, so i guess it's not just movies.

I would gladly give p00p $10 if i could help me figure out what the problem is.

Do the pictures come up as broken images?

The Click · 05-09-2003, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Do the pictures come up as broken images? [/B]

no, if you try and click on the folders it will ask for username and pass again. then you have full access to the files within the folder but not any movies, it will ask for username and pass again for every movie.

Im I makin any sense here?

Why · 05-09-2003, 04:17 PM

apache.org has tons of usful information, i think you need to change a setting in your httpd.conf, but i could be wrong.

The Click · 05-09-2003, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Why
apache.org has tons of usful information, i think you need to change a setting in your httpd.conf, but i could be wrong.

ya I went to apache.org and searched around but you have to be a rocket scientist to understand it. Can anybody help me?

p00p · 05-09-2003, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click

no, if you try and click on the folders it will ask for username and pass again. then you have full access to the files within the folder but not any movies, it will ask for username and pass again for every movie.

Im I makin any sense here?

No. Please give me ftp access to your server. But only after you try embedding the mpeg first. Sounds to me like a movie is in a folder, you click into that folder, and everything loads. You click to download the mpeg, then it asks for username/pass right?

The Click · 05-09-2003, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p

No. Please give me ftp access to your server. But only after you try embedding the mpeg first. Sounds to me like a movie is in a folder, you click into that folder, and everything loads. You click to download the mpeg, then it asks for username/pass right?

Yes thats correct, only the movie files are .wmv

p00p · 05-09-2003, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click

Yes thats correct, only the movie files are .wmv

What is this you said a few posts earlier"
"NOPE that not it. I tried www.mydomain/members/video.mpg "
Are they .wmv or .mpg?
Either way, try - to - embed - the - clip so it loads off an .html page, not directly from a directory.

cash69 · 05-09-2003, 06:56 PM

which processor are you using? im pretty sure epoch has as .htaaccess file ... or you could try using a cookie? or using http://members.domain.com/ and setting a cookie.. then you won't have to worry about if they have http://domain.com or http://www.domain.com

p00p · 05-09-2003, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cash69
which processor are you using? im pretty sure epoch has as .htaaccess file ... or you could try using a cookie? or using http://members.domain.com/ and setting a cookie.. then you won't have to worry about if they have http://domain.com or http://www.domain.com

That isn't his problem. His authentication is working, as is his members area. Everytime he loads a movie, it pops an authentication box. This is a MS Media player issue...

cash69 · 05-09-2003, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p

That isn't his problem. His authentication is working, as is his members area. Everytime he loads a movie, it pops an authentication box. This is a MS Media player issue...

Oh.. i have something that would work... not the best idea.. but it would work. Everyday you generate a new username and password for your movies and when the members click the link to download the movies.. send them to the link

http://movie_user_name:movie_pass_wo.../yourmovie.wmv

would work.. that's my only idea...

cash69 · 05-09-2003, 07:24 PM

hmm the board messes up the link.. it would look like

http:// username:password @ domain.com/members/movies.wmv

without the space

The Click · 05-09-2003, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cash69
hmm the board messes up the link.. it would look like

http:// username:password @ domain.com/members/movies.wmv

without the space

actually I thought of doing that but its just not practical.

cash69 · 05-09-2003, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click

actually I thought of doing that but its just not practical.

Duno why not... you could also setup a referal url .htaaccess file on all of your movies... so no one can be posting your username and pw to the movies.. could change the username and pw every 10 minutes if needed to.. or hell.. only allow 5 logins per username and password then generate new one's.. seems good to be.. but im not a programmer.. so maybe there's bugs

p00p · 05-09-2003, 07:45 PM

I GIVE UP!
embed src would solve your problems, assuming it was the username/password box always popping up when directly downloading a video.
BUT IT FALLS ON DEAF EARS!

The Click · 05-09-2003, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by p00p
I GIVE UP!
embed src would solve your problems, assuming it was the username/password box always popping up when directly downloading a video.
BUT IT FALLS ON DEAF EARS!

dude i have like 1200 movie clips. Its would take a year to do this. I like your idea don't get me wrong it's just not practical. I have been a member to other sites and they have no problems with a direct download link from the members section.

I think its all in my dir structure or adding a line in my .htaccess I have no clue buts it's pissin me off, and my members. I need some help!

p00p · 05-09-2003, 07:55 PM

Soteko · 05-09-2003, 08:06 PM

And how you will do that!
What is the html code for embed clips?

The Click · 05-09-2003, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soteko
And how you will do that!
What is the html code for embed clips?

The Click · 05-09-2003, 08:09 PM

woe, that fucked up this thread.

hive · 05-09-2003, 08:10 PM

The problem is most likely to reside inside the apache configuration file itself.

It sounds alot like a virtualhost setup incorrectly.

fiveyes · 05-09-2003, 08:51 PM

See the answer to the question Why does it sometimes ask me for my password twice? at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html#basicfaq for why the server may be at fault. Also, check that this happens for other people, your browser could be misbehaving.

drunkdollars · 05-09-2003, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click

I like your idea don't get me wrong it's just not practical. I have been a member to other sites and they have no problems with a direct download link from the members section.

They are prolly using refferer protection not password on the videos.

Carlito · 05-09-2003, 09:00 PM

I have had this issue... since I lease a members area out to paysites...

Its quite simple...

If a surfer access the members area via " http://www.domain.com/members/ " Then all of the content inside MUST be linked via " http://www.domain.com/members/* ".

If a surfer access the inside via link "/members" then it has to be " /members/whatever " Otherwise, if a surfer visits via " http://www.whatever.com/members " then the stuff inside is linked from the members main page as " /teen/gallery1/index.php " it will ask twice, but not again unless another link it " http://www.whatever.com/teen/gallery2/index.php "

GoodLuck, ICQ me if you need further detail. I have gone thru this before. Sometimes there are issues with movies... though, that cannot be fixed.

BV · 05-09-2003, 09:19 PM

Poop is correct.

When WMP opens a movie inside a protected directory your server wants to reauthenticate it like a new browser session. This all started back with WMP7 if my memory serves me correct. The only way around this is to not place your movies in an htpassword protected directory and use a special script to keep people from hotlinking them.

OR

embedding them in an html page as Poop stated should work as well if you want to go that route.

programmer4hire · 05-09-2003, 11:38 PM

The answer is:
The username/password is cached by the browser so the member doesnt have to type it in again for each authenticated request...when you click on a file type that uses a non-inline viewer, like windows media viewer, the username and password are asked for again cause the seperate viewer has no knowledge of the username and password. You can get around this by encoding the username and password in the link on a php page... username::password@www.mydomain.com/members/some.mpg
This however will not work with mpeg4's and there is no workaround as of yet for mpeg4's.
You can thank microsoft for not thinking of this and making it anoying to the members.

Chris

programmer4hire · 05-09-2003, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Click
AuthUserFile /home/clicker/public_html/cgi-bin/pass/.htpasswd
AuthName "Members Only"
AuthType Basic
Require valid-user

I would add the following to your .htaccess for extra security:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^.*htaccess.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^.*htpass.*$
RewriteRule .* http://www.mydomain.com/members [R,L]

OR

<Files ~ "^.*\.ht.*">
Order allow,deny
Deny from all
</Files>

Then no one can view your htpasswd or htaccess file.

Chris

p00p · 05-09-2003, 11:48 PM

OR!!!!!!!!!

Embed your media files. you all suck ass.

cash69 · 05-09-2003, 11:53 PM

could make a simple script to embed the movies... /movie.asp?url=urlof the movie

programmer4hire · 05-10-2003, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by programmer4hire

I would add the following to your .htaccess for extra security:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^.*htaccess.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^.*htpass.*$
RewriteRule .* http://www.mydomain.com/members [R,L]

OR

<Files ~ "^.*\.ht.*">
Order allow,deny
Deny from all
</Files>

Then no one can view your htpasswd or htaccess file.

Chris

Damn forum screwed up my post

venturi · 05-10-2003, 04:21 AM

Here's a one-time-only freebie from venturi:

The reason you are having problems is that when WinAmp or RealPlayer or WinblozeMediaPlayer fires up and tries to access the movie clip it looks like a type-in (i.e. there is no refering URL), so your .htaccess file 'thinks' it's a hotlinker and blocks the program from accessing the file. The following snippets of code are all you need to grant access to your clips while still blocking hotlinkers/cheaters/etc.

.htaccess file:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_COOKIE} !(^|(.+;)*)id=valid(;.*|$)
RewriteRule .*$ http://www.yourdomain.com/cheaters.html

js to set the cookie:

<script>
document . cookie = "id=valid; path=/"
</script>

Instructions:

1) Add the js to the <head> section of the document containing the links to your videos. (Note: remove the spaces in 'document . cookie' )
2) Modify the .htaccess code above to reflect your proper domain and page to redirect hotlinkers and place it into your directory/folder containing the videos you want protected.
3) Upload the files.
4) HUGE PROFITS!

p.s. - you can donate the $10 to your favorite charity (even if that happens to be me

)

The Click · 05-11-2003, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by venturi
Here's a one-time-only freebie from venturi:

The reason you are having problems is that when WinAmp or RealPlayer or WinblozeMediaPlayer fires up and tries to access the movie clip it looks like a type-in (i.e. there is no refering URL), so your .htaccess file 'thinks' it's a hotlinker and blocks the program from accessing the file. The following snippets of code are all you need to grant access to your clips while still blocking hotlinkers/cheaters/etc.

.htaccess file:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_COOKIE} !(^|(.+;)*)id=valid(;.*|$)
RewriteRule .*$ http://www.yourdomain.com/cheaters.html

js to set the cookie:

<script>
document . cookie = "id=valid; path=/"
</script>

Instructions:

1) Add the js to the <head> section of the document containing the links to your videos. (Note: remove the spaces in 'document . cookie' )
2) Modify the .htaccess code above to reflect your proper domain and page to redirect hotlinkers and place it into your directory/folder containing the videos you want protected.
3) Upload the files.
4) HUGE PROFITS!

p.s. - you can donate the $10 to your favorite charity (even if that happens to be me )

I have been trying to get a hold of you via ICQ for 2 days now man, your idea is great and just need a bit of help to get it running if it's not too much trouble. Thanks to everyone for helping me out on my problem!

05-09-2003, 03:18 PM	#1
The Click Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,685	members .htaccess question easy $10 4 u techs I'm sure this has been a topic before but really need a straight and easy answer about my members section authentication problem. If you login to my member section: www.mydomain.com/members Then try and download movies from this folder: www.mydomain.com/members or www.mydomain.com/members/girlie1/ or any damn folder within the members section the server asks for the members username and password EVERY TIME it's a real pain in the ass. I have tried different things I have had help from other techs but I can't get a plain English answer. I can paypal $10 to the first person that can explain this to me so I can understand it and fix the problem - you can ICQ me or post your answer to my problem here. Thanks for your time. CLICK __________________ ICQ: 31-30-30

05-09-2003, 03:20 PM	#2
nuclei old school fart Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,015	It looks like yer actually going to mydomain.com/members and then calling the files as www.mydomain.com/members/* apache sees mydomain.com and www.mydomain.com as 2 seperate entities. And this wasnt worth $10 so give it to charity :P __________________ The next generation of SEO

05-09-2003, 03:41 PM	#4
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05-09-2003, 03:42 PM	#5
gornyhuy Chafed. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Face Down in Pussy Posts: 18,041	post the contents of your htaccess file... __________________ icq:159548293

05-09-2003, 03:45 PM	#7
The Click Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,685	can ya ICQ me ya gotta work me though it. __________________ ICQ: 31-30-30

05-09-2003, 03:47 PM	#9
p00p Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CanaDUH Posts: 5,125	This sounds like that microsoft bug with media player....try embedding the clips in a webpage, bet they play. My mpegs don't play, but when I embed them in a webpage, they play great. .wmv files should work too, embedded or not. __________________ ICQ: 316365783 <a href="http://www.hostultra.com/~p00p" target="_blank">TEST</a>

05-09-2003, 03:53 PM	#14
The Click Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,685	oh ya is this the htaccess file that you are talking about? Editing/home/clicker/www/members/.htaccess AuthUserFile /home/clicker/public_html/cgi-bin/pass/.htpasswd AuthName "Members Only" AuthType Basic Require valid-user __________________ ICQ: 31-30-30

05-09-2003, 04:17 PM	#18
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	apache.org has tons of usful information, i think you need to change a setting in your httpd.conf, but i could be wrong.

05-09-2003, 06:56 PM	#23
cash69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chandler, az Posts: 1,052	which processor are you using? im pretty sure epoch has as .htaaccess file ... or you could try using a cookie? or using http://members.domain.com/ and setting a cookie.. then you won't have to worry about if they have http://domain.com or http://www.domain.com

05-09-2003, 07:24 PM	#26
cash69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chandler, az Posts: 1,052	hmm the board messes up the link.. it would look like http:// username:password @ domain.com/members/movies.wmv without the space

05-09-2003, 07:45 PM	#29
p00p Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CanaDUH Posts: 5,125	I GIVE UP! embed src would solve your problems, assuming it was the username/password box always popping up when directly downloading a video. BUT IT FALLS ON DEAF EARS! __________________ ICQ: 316365783 <a href="http://www.hostultra.com/~p00p" target="_blank">TEST</a>

05-09-2003, 07:55 PM	#31
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05-09-2003, 08:06 PM	#32
Soteko Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 37	And how you will do that! What is the html code for embed clips?

05-09-2003, 08:09 PM	#34
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05-09-2003, 08:10 PM	#35
hive Worker Bee Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 90	The problem is most likely to reside inside the apache configuration file itself. It sounds alot like a virtualhost setup incorrectly.

05-09-2003, 08:51 PM	#36
fiveyes Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,680	See the answer to the question Why does it sometimes ask me for my password twice? at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html#basicfaq for why the server may be at fault. Also, check that this happens for other people, your browser could be misbehaving. __________________ <CENTER><A HREF="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/" target="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/images/hob-logosmall.jpg" border="0"></A> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" SIZE="-1"><I>Mardi Gras, Spring Break, Wet-T, Night Club Action, UpSkirt, Oil Wrestling, Voyeur</I></FONT></CENTER>

05-09-2003, 09:00 PM	#38
Carlito Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 856	I have had this issue... since I lease a members area out to paysites... Its quite simple... If a surfer access the members area via " http://www.domain.com/members/ " Then all of the content inside MUST be linked via " http://www.domain.com/members/* ". If a surfer access the inside via link "/members" then it has to be " /members/whatever " Otherwise, if a surfer visits via " http://www.whatever.com/members " then the stuff inside is linked from the members main page as " /teen/gallery1/index.php " it will ask twice, but not again unless another link it " http://www.whatever.com/teen/gallery2/index.php " GoodLuck, ICQ me if you need further detail. I have gone thru this before. Sometimes there are issues with movies... though, that cannot be fixed.

05-09-2003, 09:19 PM	#39
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Poop is correct. When WMP opens a movie inside a protected directory your server wants to reauthenticate it like a new browser session. This all started back with WMP7 if my memory serves me correct. The only way around this is to not place your movies in an htpassword protected directory and use a special script to keep people from hotlinking them. OR embedding them in an html page as Poop stated should work as well if you want to go that route.

05-09-2003, 11:38 PM	#40
programmer4hire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 43	The answer is: The username/password is cached by the browser so the member doesnt have to type it in again for each authenticated request...when you click on a file type that uses a non-inline viewer, like windows media viewer, the username and password are asked for again cause the seperate viewer has no knowledge of the username and password. You can get around this by encoding the username and password in the link on a php page... username::password@www.mydomain.com/members/some.mpg This however will not work with mpeg4's and there is no workaround as of yet for mpeg4's. You can thank microsoft for not thinking of this and making it anoying to the members. Chris __________________ Available for contract programming work. C, C++, JAVA, Perl, PHP, Delphi, MySql, Oracle. [email protected]

05-09-2003, 11:48 PM	#42
p00p Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CanaDUH Posts: 5,125	OR!!!!!!!!! Embed your media files. you all suck ass. __________________ ICQ: 316365783 <a href="http://www.hostultra.com/~p00p" target="_blank">TEST</a>

05-09-2003, 11:53 PM	#43
cash69 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: chandler, az Posts: 1,052	could make a simple script to embed the movies... /movie.asp?url=urlof the movie

05-10-2003, 04:21 AM	#45
venturi Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: An Oasis atop a High Desert Mesa Posts: 386	Here's a one-time-only freebie from venturi: The reason you are having problems is that when WinAmp or RealPlayer or WinblozeMediaPlayer fires up and tries to access the movie clip it looks like a type-in (i.e. there is no refering URL), so your .htaccess file 'thinks' it's a hotlinker and blocks the program from accessing the file. The following snippets of code are all you need to grant access to your clips while still blocking hotlinkers/cheaters/etc. .htaccess file: RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTP_COOKIE} !(^\|(.+;))id=valid(;.\|$) RewriteRule .*$ http://www.yourdomain.com/cheaters.html js to set the cookie: <script> document . cookie = "id=valid; path=/" </script> Instructions: 1) Add the js to the <head> section of the document containing the links to your videos. (Note: remove the spaces in 'document . cookie' ) 2) Modify the .htaccess code above to reflect your proper domain and page to redirect hotlinkers and place it into your directory/folder containing the videos you want protected. 3) Upload the files. 4) HUGE PROFITS! p.s. - you can donate the $10 to your favorite charity (even if that happens to be me ) __________________ I'm not a porn monger. I'm a porn ... STYLIST! Buildit Cheap, build it Fast, Build it Right. - Pick Two.