bookbuster

How much content would I need to create to start being able to charge membership and get money back?

Is it even realistic for a startup to be able to profit from producing porn? I have a good domain and concept and I know the scenes will be attractive and appealing. But I don't know how much content I should create before launching the website. Is it realistic to make 100's of thousands of dollars in revenue producing porn?

Does anyone know how much revenue hookuphotshot does? My site will have a similar appeal

w4mmaps

You would need a lot of content....sounds like a risky investment IMO

sonofsam

1.Take that money

These next steps are very important. Don't miss a step.

2. Arrange it neatly in a pile in your backyard
3. Pour gasoline on it
4. Light it on fire

It will have the same result as you shooting a bunch of content and launching a site if you even needed to make a thread to ask these questions.

"Is it realistic to make 100's of thousands of dollars in revenue producing porn?"

For someone who needed to ask this on GFY? Absolutely not



Not trying to be an asshole, I'm just trying to save you from wasting all your money.

If you've about to drop 200k producing porn, how much do you value 1 hour of your time? Let's say your time is very valuable and your hourly rate is 1000/hour

Take 1 hour and go through 20 pages of this forums posts. Count how many threads there are about programs not paying affiliates. That should give you a good indication of the state of the industry. Do you think if people were still printing money like the early 2000's that they wouldn't be keeping their affiliates paid and traffic coming in? Do you think you know more about the industry than all these big programs that have dozens of sites, and still can't make it work and stopped paying affiliates?

There you go. Now you saved yourself 199 thousands.


You better donate 100 to a charity as a thank you for this post

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ilnjscb

You can make money but it takes a lot longer. Shoot one scene, get it to break even, and come back here for discussion and ideas. Definitely don't shoot 200k worth of shit.

bookbuster

Yeah, I basically agree. There is no way this would work. I do think I have a clever angle, but I don't think I know more than everyone else. However if I find amateurs to shoot I can do it myself for way less money and go slower as well.

thanks for input

sonofsam

Yeah listen to this guy ^

Shoot 1 scene and launch a membership paysite with 1 scene



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Spunky

That will never work. don't believe the hype

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w4mmaps

At the end of the day, the main problem here is that your idea is essentially 15+ years too late and the investment of 10k per 1 single video... there's just such better ways to invest 10k then in a single adult video, especially when with torrents and tubes its extremely easy to get free content.

For example, for 10k you could have a developer build you a tube site, and have money leftover to promote that site. Not to say owning a tube site is all that special or what I'm even recommending to you, but we're comparing an entire tube site plus marketing vs 1 single porn video.

notinmybackyard

You have to have a business plan BEFORE you start shooting scenes.

Just because a million-billion pseudo pornographers use the business model of "film "A" girls and put the scene online" doesn't mean it's going to work for you.

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plsureking

every business is a struggle, but a paysite is one of the hardest biz to start and grow these days. it is possible tho. i have many PornCMS clients earning a living with their paysites, and many more who earn enough side money to stay happy.

if you are passion about the idea, then start small and see where it goes. we've had a couple sites shoot to the moon out of nowhere on a good concept.

building the site is the easy part (porncms is plug-and-play and includes hosting). research and create a good plan for traffic and retention. that is the key to any paysite business.

one final thought - 10k is way over budget for a porn shoot unless you're doing feature films. you should be aiming at $2-3k per shoot max.



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notinmybackyard

I remember a time when we got $500k for a porn.

All things considered equal... $2-$3k is actually really decent quality. However, cookie cutter smut might not yield the best profit margin. Cookie cutter is a saturated market and it doesn't help that there's a ton of it available for free.

Often playing to a niche mentality can be both cheaper to film and far more profitable because the consumer is willing (or forced) to pay for something he can't find anywhere else.

But also be warned... Business is about MAINTAINING CONTROL of your product. When you put anything on the Internet you're going to forfeit a lot of control of what happens to the stuff you produce.

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CurrentlySober

Im gonna break character here and give you some genuine advice. You are looking at it back to front. I'll explain.

Spend 10K on ONE video (However Great it is) and it just gets stolen straight away and available to view for free to anyone... You are not gonna make anything back on it, unless you are shooting it to order for someone who is paying you 11K for it.

Instead, do it backwards like I did. Create stuff that is unique, unusual, and appeals to a micro niche of fans... Create these videos as cheaply as poosible. Each video I created cost me just £50. They were 20 mins long and I sold them for just £7.99 each. Less than 40 cents a min... Not even the suggested $1 a minute that clips for sale suggests you charge

Because I only paid £50 per vid, once I had sold just 7 videos, I was in profit. Rinse and repeat... Rather than create one single video, I suggest using that 10K to make as many cheaper, smaller shorter videos as possible, because you only need to sell a small number of each to cover costs, then start making money.

Will they ever get stolen? Sure they will, but not ALL of them at the same time, and provided you have branded your work sufficiently, the stolen vids should act as marketing for the rest of them. Which are of course, so reasonably priced, that they are an easy purchase choice for the customer to make... And they do make - Despite officially retarding in 2013, the videos I am talking about, from 2006, still sell occasionally today, and give me a nice little bit of beer money. Not bad for stuff that paid for itself over 14 years ago...

But what do I know? I just like poo...

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plsureking

it costs you £50 to shoot a poo video?

good advice ya. lots of people growing their production biz on clipstores.



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ReggieDurango

I think you can shoot a porn scene for much less than $10,000

CurrentlySober

Well, that's what the nightclub owner used to charge me, everytime he let me hide a camera in the ladies toilets...

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ilnjscb

Not just a membership pay site with one scene. There is a lot of content he can buy cheaply, and he can monetize in other ways.

No cam girls have their own sites now, they upload all their shit, that they make for free, onto XV, PH, and others for their creator programs. They make content every day for free. If they could monetize with a pay site, they would.

If you were in his shoes, exactly what would you do?

sonofsam

Not touch porn. There are a billion easier things to make money with in mainstream.

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Learn to generate traffic before investing a cent into producing content. Your content is worthless unless you know how to market it.

And NO, traffic will not magically appear to your site.
And NO, you cannot depend on affiliates to generate it for you.
YOU will need to know how to monetize your content.

Also, what CurrentlySober said is very good advise. Start small and learn the ropes before trying to produce big budget stuff.

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The Porn Nerd

GREAT advice in this thread! To me, it all comes down to "how bad do you want it"? If it's just a money-making thing then go sell shoes. It's easier and cheaper. LOL

But if you have a passion for it, a kink, or you want to be the Performer and fuck hotties (like I do) and then figure out a way to monetize your fetish lifestyle, go for it.

As for spending 10K, how to spend it, what to shoot, etc, this thread has given solid answers to all of that. To me it comes down to desires and goals.

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OneHungLo

For what it's worth, I revamped an old site I had last year and relaunched in March. I started with under 100 members and now I have just under 1000 recurring memberships. No trials, they are full paying $30 dollar memberships and about 15-20% of those memberships are $60 and $100 6 month memberships.

Costs:
0 spent on advertising (traffic is from seo and tubes)
$200 hosting bill.
only a handful of scenes shot due to the pandemic hitting right when I relaunched.

Unfortunately I was tied up with other stuff for the last month or so, so I haven't done anything with it in the last 30 days. But in the next few weeks I'm going to dump some money into it and really see how fast I can grow it. I'd like to think i could hit 2k members by dec.


So there is money there and I think $200K would be plenty to get something off the ground.

What is your background? Are you a joe sixpack who likes porn and has some money to spend? Any technical or marketing background? Production background? A lot of variables here to consider.

rastan

Thats actually really impressive. Not going to lie to you chap, Ive been doing this 8 years now and haven't yet got to the 1000 members mark, so fair play to you.

Two questions then,
1) What is the site, if I might be so bold as to ask?
2) If you can offer a nugget, what do put down as the most effective thing you did to grow so quickly?

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jay23

Here is my advice, fuck a girl, shoot a video of that and then use that content to start a site...this way you can tell your self the content was free because you paid for sex

ruff

To make a small fortune in porn, start with a large fortune.

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The Porn Nerd

Haha! Gold.

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ilnjscb

Plaudits from the man himself! I've hit the big time!

You're in the wrong specialty then. You need to optimize and monetize other people's sites for a percentage. There are so many dead sites with tons of unique content. Half of the one and done talent is stuck in dead sites. If you got to 1000 that quickly and with that little effort, we all need to study with you.

OneHungLo

The site is 20 years old and has a lot of content. Plus the site has done $25 mill in memberships. So the content is pretty good and I know how to sell it.

Only reason why I revamped it was because I had a very good offer to buy it from a pretty big company. It was close to the mid 6 fig range. So I spent about $5k in total redoing the site, members area, remastering the videos etc.

fuzebox

Lots of actual good advice in this thread

My additions:

- If you can't generate traffic, your site won't make sales. Affiliates will not help you. Tube channels could work if you know what you're doing, but only a few sites have mastered this and they have a lot of good content.

- "Clever angles" will not help you.

- Like CurrentlySober said, it's easier to learn to run a paysite if you acquire content as cheaply as possible... I used to pay models $100/hr and shoot 5-10 clips for a bunch of niches. The ROI on softcore was much higher.

NatalieK

Absolutely

just reopened southerncumsluts.com , british first time pornstars, moving up from solo sets to full gangbangs and wife swaps, some of the models are also now very well known British stars, so there should be steady traffic from people searching girls like Jessica Jensen and Tanya Cox, but hey, it´s slow but rising slowly.

my own official site has enough generic traffic to stay open

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HairyChick

Find a niche that isn’t saturated online.

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Paul Markham

You mean after 25 years there are niches that aren't saturated and sell!!!

Do educate us all on what those niches are, please.

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Paul Markham

This is the best piece of advice/question in this thread.

What makes you capable of producing scenes that warrant publishing and selling for a profit?

Ignore the "traffic is king" advice, no matter how good you are at driving traffic, if the consumer doesn't like the product enough to convert profitably you'll lose money. Over the last 20 years there have been 10,000s of great webmasters who thought they could shoot porn, open a site and make money. To find their sites didn't convert as well as other people's, using the same traffic. The problem was the samples weren't up to it and they lost money.

The success stories you see here are the exception. How many will come here and tell you they lost their shirts on the sites they made?

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notinmybackyard

Junkies, necrophilia, period sex, amputees, lynchings, ugly, small dicks and firearm insertions.

There are more but I don't need an SJW crusade showing up at our doors.

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Klen

I wonder is Dirty D still in bussiness

plsureking

yes, the boring lollipop porn you shot is way past expired

this site does 100 trials a day (40% rebills):
https://www.xtremeclit.com/

our network has many other fetishes making money every day. feet still make a lot of money - gay, straight, bug crushing, ball crushing, vr, ...

when was the last time you looked around C4S? all kinds of crazy fetishes and surfers are paying for it every day...

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First of all you are a rare breed, because you are actually trying to invest real money. Most of the advice you getting here is: Do NOT bother putting money in or go and steal it ! Others are rude or sarcastic because they cannot fathom that somebody actually investing time and money and does not just recycle stolen shit.. So Kudos to you.

I do NOT know where you are located and what experience you have and even if you are at all creative. Presuming that you say yes to all then, I suggest ONE key correction ; Do not go for membership site you will NOT have enough content even with 100K or more invested. For 10 K if you are clever you can make 4 x 1h original content and market it on a site which is VOD. Charge $ 19.95 to buy a stream.

If the models are good looking, the production quality is good and it is NOT just "suck and fuck" shit like most here are pushing, you will make enough money to repeat this every three months.

... but you need an unique niche... Hint hint kinky lesbian stuff is cheaper to make and has a huge following

The ONLY thing to discourage you is: If you cannot get Met Art class models then do NOT bother. The audience is very picky now days. I suggest go more softcore with classy babes then hard stuff with "skunks" pushed around here !

sonofsam

Nice numbers, but was this site created on geocities and never updated?

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Just because the appeal of these types on niches doesn't warrant many big Tubes sites covering the niche, shows the state of our industry.

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Paul Markham

The fact the producer is limited to C4S shows the size of the appeal. The level of production shows the profit produced.

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Paul Markham

Great advice. The last parttake very seriously. Gone are the days when marketing a mediocre to average product will convince people to buy or "Amateur for money" will get you loads sign ups. The consumer bases the decision to buy on the samples offered, if they're good enough, different enough, appeal enough and not available for free everywhere he'll buy. Met Art has been around for along time and offers a lot of content so can offer a lot of free samples.

I suggest you shoot some samples, put them up on a site so we can see the level of skills, models, etc you can produce before spending a lot of money.

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notinmybackyard

In the jizz biz you're either looking for cunt or you're looking for a way to make money.

I'm in business for the benefit of my bank account and NOT for the betterment of our industry.

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thepornbrother

Congrats to the forum first of all.
There is someone who complains without solutions

but many of you trying to figure out what could be a good way to test.
It's interesting read, and man you are BULL!!

For sure you will not drop cash just like this
(scenes cost much less then 10K) personal experience here in Prague where I work with 40 girls...

In case you are in Europe would be nice to get a coffe and work together on few things

Great job people

duk75

10000 is too expensive for shooting a scene. You can find small producers here that would do it for HUNDREDS, not thousands, everything included, although, for sure, maybe you need a little more for better quality. But still, 2000 maximum!

If you truly want to start that, ask here for production services, and get the best prices. You could also do it yourself, and will be far cheaper, a lot more, the main expense would be the model, which might cost you around 500 to 1000, perhaps.

But if you want to spend so much money in a movie, probably you would be better producing something for Youtube and monetizing it.

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So you will move on to another industry when this one is done!!! 10,000 have already done that.

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Once you start in the cheap end of production you'll find everyone can do it. Cutting down your chances of success.

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notinmybackyard

I'm all about the money and even in my 'retirement' I'm still making it. It's not that difficul to diversify product lines, arouse the consumer's interest and improve or find new channels of distribution.


But on that note...
I have absolutely zero loyalty to the jizz biz. If something comes along and drops enough money in my pocket then I'm done. I don't owe the jizz biz or anyone a damn fucking thing.

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Paul Markham

If it's easy the market gets flooded with people doing the same and sales decline for each one.

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JesseQuinn

Nat K and me with a raised eyebrow each =p

don't want to jack the thread though so back to some really helpful info posted by y'all

whatever you do OP, good luck

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notinmybackyard

I let you in on one my biggest business secrets.

I keep my fucking mouth shut about what we're doing and how much money we make.
The jizz biz is like a bunch of crows sitting on a fence... When one crow flies to another fence they all follow him.

Oh and just because I'm such a wonderful sweet guy I'll let give you a bonus secret.

I keep my ears open and pump others for information.
That way I know which fence the crows are going to sit on.

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Paul Markham

You're learningthe lesson I learnt in the 80s. Don't share the secrets of your business with the rest of the flock, later don't bounce the threads sharing the secrets of your business with others.

Now I can reveal those secrets because the market is in decline and I'm retired.

Find new attractive models who have done zero modeling before. Shoot them in the poses the magazine editors prefer, thiscan be done by scanning the magazines. Shoot cover shots for front pages and full page spreads. Shoot good IDs and get a good model release, visit editors at least once to introduce yourself and ensure they see your work. Once published in a couple of magazines all editors will put your work to the acceptable pile.

Doing this opens the door to a market that paid up to and above $3,000 per set for licensing around the world. Thus covering all content costs including costant updates, something not to be turned down. For content sellers a real boost to their business.

The affiliate business is an easy lesson to learn, just Google "How to make money as an affiliate".

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