CCBill & Epoch, primary or secondary, opinions wanted.

[phil-flash]

So if you had the choice between CCBill and Epoch, which would you use as primary and secondary... and why?

[247mg]

Epoch > CCBill

[PornDiscounts-V]

For some odd reason ccbill has developed a bad reputation with a lot of buyers. Though there are some who swear by it.

[Boob Bucks]

CCBill has advantages and disadvantages. They have a huge database of fraudulent users who have chargedback etc. The drawback is that sometimes their scrub is a little too strict.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by 247mg

Epoch > CCBill

What he said. Plus with epoch first, you can catch a few paypal peeps

[yuu.design]

Epoch, just because i know them from the LAExpo event, i don't have nothing bad to say about CCBill

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

What he said. Plus with epoch first, you can catch a few paypal peeps

+1 for the paypal

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

+1 for the paypal

Those fees . . .

[SBJ]

why not try one for 3 weeks to a month then switch and see which makes you more $$.

[celandina]

Epoch for me all the way

[ZENRA]

They both have pro's and con's, but both are pretty solid.

[Look Chang]

CCBill ...

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

+1 for the paypal

If that's the case, oh yeah!!

[Miguel T]

Epoch without a doubt as primary.

[The Porn Nerd]

Start with CCBill and enter all your site's data into their cascade system. Then you can test and see which works best for you. CCBill to Epoch for a week or more than switch the cascade so Epoch is primary.

The only right answer is what works best for your setup, sites and traffic.

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by 247mg

Epoch > CCBill

[phil-flash]

Another question to add to this... cascade billers or offer them side by side?

Opinions?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by phil-flash

offer them side by side?

This makes no sense. Sites did this 20 years ago only because they didn't know how to cascade.

[phil-flash]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

This makes no sense. Sites did this 20 years ago only because they didn't know how to cascade.

What if one biller offers checks and one does not?

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by phil-flash

What if one biller offers checks and one does not?

What percentage of your revenue comes from check billing? Personally I wouldn't even enable the option.

If you really wanted separate "join with credit card" "join with check" options on your site, you could run the credit card link through your cascade and the check link direct to the biller that supports it.

Or use WTS to actually verify those check subscribers and lower your fraud and insuff rates.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by phil-flash

What if one biller offers checks and one does not?

If they don't have a CC then fuck 'em. You want reliable, credit-worthy Members who rebill endlessly, not send you checks like it's 1998.

Besides, most of your refunds and "CBs" will be from checks as people never calculate what's in their account correctly. By the time the check is supposed to clear there's no money left in the account and the check bounces. Fun times!

[ZENRA]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Besides, most of your refunds and "CBs" will be from checks as people never calculate what's in their account correctly. By the time the check is supposed to clear there's no money left in the account and the check bounces. Fun times!

This.

Our CB/returned rate for online checks (USA) was so high we disabled it. Not even worth offering it nowadays. I can't imagine there are many in USA who want to buy a paysite membership, but don't have a CC.

EU bank transfer, on the other hand, isn't as popular, but is less risky though it can still can be abused. There is/was an exploit we were seeing with one of CCBill's EU bank transfers options that led to us disabling it.

[Rochard]

Test both. See what works best for you.

[phil-flash]

I hear the check argument and am considering my way forward with that.

I would like to hear the argument of why not offer both choices side by side, rather than one choice with a cascade.

My argument is that a lot of main stream sites offer:
Pay with card
Pay with PayPal
Pay with Visa Verified

So again... what is the argument against offering CCBill and Epoch?

Is it that people become confused when faced with choices? What is the argument?

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by phil-flash

I hear the check argument and am considering my way forward with that.

I would like to hear the argument of why not offer both choices side by side, rather than one choice with a cascade.

My argument is that a lot of main stream sites offer:
Pay with card
Pay with PayPal
Pay with Visa Verified

So again... what is the argument against offering CCBill and Epoch?

Is it that people become confused when faced with choices? What is the argument?

if you offer both side by side is it still a cascade meaning would ccbill affiliates still get paid cause I don't think that is how cascades work.

The bottom line is if with Epoch you get paypal I would try them first and cascade to ccbill. If sales don't go up or go down try the other way around. I don't think in 2020 I would promote a sponsor that listed both side by side.

[phil-flash]

Originally Posted by SBJ

if you offer both side by side is it still a cascade meaning would ccbill affiliates still get paid cause I don't think that is how cascades work.

The bottom line is if with Epoch you get paypal I would try them first and cascade to ccbill. If sales don't go up or go down try the other way around. I don't think in 2020 I would promote a sponsor that listed both side by side.

I got you covered SBJ, click through this gallery (https://phil-flash.com/girls/teen-ka...gallery/346307) to phil-flash.com and see what join options display. It will only be CCBill. And your affiliate code is stored in a $_SESSION variable... so the user can even come back later and you are double protected by CCBill's cookie and my session.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by phil-flash

I hear the check argument and am considering my way forward with that.

I would like to hear the argument of why not offer both choices side by side, rather than one choice with a cascade.

My argument is that a lot of main stream sites offer:
Pay with card
Pay with PayPal
Pay with Visa Verified

So again... what is the argument against offering CCBill and Epoch?

Is it that people become confused when faced with choices? What is the argument?

I guess yes, the confusion answer.

There are plenty of sites on the internet doing all sorts of random shit, I personally would copy what the biggest sites in your space are doing, and the biggest adult sites who do the most transactions do not let the buyer choose between two meaningless billing company names.

[mechanicvirus]

Everyone knows in 2020 you start your own biller, which is just a whitelabel of another biller. Pfft.

Also phil please dont do side-by-side, this is coming from one of your older affiliates.

[phil-flash]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

Everyone knows in 2020 you start your own biller, which is just a whitelabel of another biller. Pfft.

Also phil please dont do side-by-side, this is coming from one of your older affiliates.

Your traffic will only see CCBill. As if nothing has changed. Click through one of your links to phil-flash.com and see. Does that address your concern or no?

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by phil-flash

Your traffic will only see CCBill. As if nothing has changed. Click through one of your links to phil-flash.com and see. Does that address your concern or no?

I was mostly offering a suggestion on what my top performing paysites do, and they have one choice with cascade. Hence why I suggest against side by side.

[The Porn Nerd]

To chunk up a bit and see the forrest for the trees here, think of it this way Phil: no matter WHAT change to your site you are considering (design changes, biller changes, price point changes, update changes, etc) always, always A-B test that change.

Get yourself a simple A-B script (the user Woj here on GFY has a nice simple one, for example) and let the changes roll for a week. If you have enough daily traffic hitting then you can do it for a day or two. Compare, compare, tweak, compare.

[phil-flash]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

I was mostly offering a suggestion on what my top performing paysites do, and they have one choice with cascade. Hence why I suggest against side by side.

Okay... thanks! You gave me something I was looking for

[TheAmericanCannibal]

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[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

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[Roald]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Get yourself a simple A-B script (the user Woj here on GFY has a nice simple one, for example) and let the changes roll for a week. If you have enough daily traffic hitting then you can do it for a day or two. Compare, compare, tweak, compare.

Unless you do 100s of joins in that week an A/B test is pretty pointless imo. The data gathered will be too small to really say anything.