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Old 01-03-2021, 08:06 AM   #51
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*cough* *cough* I also would like to know which takedown company you hired... or PM me as well please if you wish to keep it private
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Old 01-03-2021, 02:37 PM   #52
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Not sure if I understand you exactly, but as an example....

Name of our site could be googled with a request for "free" or fucking "user uploaded" content. Of course our site does NOT have free content, so most of the pirates shown up instead. Many where phony ( looking for clicks and full of cul-de-sacs and other shit), but if the person was persistent enough, they found a "click and play" tube or some file sharing site.

Since we have a VOD site, so searching for a single title, with " free" prefix also caused that the title ( usually in the same sites) also shown up.

Now, if you search, in most cases you still get the same response, BUT once you get to the link, you will get 404 error, or "file not found" or "content removed due to copyright claim" etc... Also you get Google pages stating to go see Lumen since copyright claim was received and approved by Google. Some sites we also completely "killed", usually US based hosts.

It is too early for me to make an exact assessment, but majority of our easily searchable content is gone and only a few " Moldovan" or "Asian" sites full of crappy adds and viruses are left. I hope this good trend will continue.
Yes, that's pretty much what I meant. I assumed so.
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Old 01-03-2021, 04:00 PM   #53
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Do you mean guys pretending to be women trying to cheat other guys ?
It's a fantasy product that the customers enjoy and pay for. More customers are willing to pay for adult dating than adult content.
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Old 01-04-2021, 06:04 AM   #54
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It's a fantasy product that the customers enjoy and pay for. More customers are willing to pay for adult dating than adult content.
Let's just call it what it is. 9 out of 10 times adult dating is a scam where guys are 'tricked' into making charges by fake promises and fake profiles.

That's oke as people are responsible for their own actions (mostly) but let's not make it look nicer than it is ;)

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Old 01-04-2021, 06:32 AM   #55
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It's really easy to estimate with with just a few companies making 70% of the market like:

Mindgeek with tubes, TrafficJunky and paysites
Streamate WL network + affiliated groups
Xvideos and the rest of the Group
Xhamster with Stripchat and TrafficStars
OnlyFans/MFC
Chaturbate
LiveJasmin

There are some few big local players in local markets as well, especially in Japan, UK, Germany, France.
Indeed, you're applying a sound logic to this calculation.
I think you're missing a few big ones like Exoclick... and if we're talking about Adult business, don't forget DMM... yes it's an alien that's doing 99% of its business in Japan but DMM generates close to 2B$ every year.

If we're talking about "porn excluding Japan" we're somewhere between 2 and 3 billion dollars... then you can argue about including sex toys or not, dating or not... but however you see it, you'll never go above 5B$.

I often have to explain these calculations to noobs telling me "oh you're in the adultbiz? There's sooo muuuch money there!!!"
No no there's actually little money in our industry, any medium CRM SAAS generates a lot more money than the whole adult industry

What's interesting in our industry is that overall revenues are shared among a small community of professionals... meaning in other industries, you'd need a lot more people and expenses to generate 5B$

But that's also a major issue: if PH and other tubes were generating a lot more money, they'd probably have more influence when negociating with Visa and Mastercard. Right now despite being big in traffic, they're "small" in revenues
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:13 AM   #56
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It's a fantasy product that the customers enjoy and pay for. More customers are willing to pay for adult dating than adult content.
OK, I had no clue that these guys know they are being "duped". I thought these sites were akin to a "Nigerian prince" scams. I have nothing to criticize then or
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Old 01-04-2021, 06:14 PM   #57
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Let's just call it what it is. 9 out of 10 times adult dating is a scam where guys are 'tricked' into making charges by fake promises and fake profiles.

That's oke as people are responsible for their own actions (mostly) but let's not make it look nicer than it is ;)

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So.. you claim it's a scam and at the same time you say it's ok?

People are responsible for their actions ("mostly" ?) when they get scammed? Lol...
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Old 01-04-2021, 06:19 PM   #58
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OK, I had no clue that these guys know they are being "duped". I thought these sites were akin to a "Nigerian prince" scams. I have nothing to criticize then or

They don't know. Nobody sane would pay to have a chat with a bot.

...erm, maybe Spacedog would
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So.. you claim it's a scam and at the same time you say it's ok?

People are responsible for their actions ("mostly" ?) when they get scammed? Lol...
Yeah doesn't make sense indeed.

People should think twice if that hot girl has really left him a message he needs to pay for to see though
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Old 01-05-2021, 07:52 AM   #60
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They don't know. Nobody sane would pay to have a chat with a bot.

...erm, maybe Spacedog would
I am old enough to remember the old "ONE 900" numbers paid by a minute, where some old fat ugly hag was pretending to be 20 something Playboy bunny. They paid then, and I am sure they pay for bots today
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Old 01-06-2021, 04:54 AM   #61
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Which takedown company did you hire? PM me if you prefer to keep it private. I think I could use one of those right about now!
You have a PM from me
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