I am not sure what to think about this. Sponsor banning Russian Webmasters

[Tjeezers]

Thank you for reading,

So I got this email, and I am pasting a part of it, but I am really confused here.

if you are Russian and do not support the regime, will you then be able to still work with this program? *1* Bolded in pasted txt

Are Russian Webmasters hereby banned? Or just the Traffic? *2* Bolded in pasted txt

Is this a united stand the industry takes to not work with our Russian colleagues anymore?

Please, let me know your thoughts.

Regarding the current invasion of Ukraine, we would like to make the following statement. Many of our team members, their families and friends, as well as a lot of our partners are based in Kyiv or other parts of Ukraine. On February 24th, the Russian government has decided to invade Ukraine and started a war in which the Ukrainian people are dying and suffering and basic human rights are being violated. We are against this war and its sponsorship in any form. Therefore we will *1* not do business with anyone who supports the current regime in the Russian Federation and stands behind this war.

Also, *2* we will stop accepting Russian and Belarussian traffic and are adding Russia and Belarussia to the list of restricted countries from which we accept any kind of traffic. If you disagree with this position, please close your account with our affiliate program and we will pay out your remaining balance. Up to date, our company has donated USD 10'000 and will donate another USD 10'000 this week, plus significant amounts have been donated by our employees.

[Fenris Wolf]

The way I read it it is just traffic from those countries.

[O MARINA]

Is there an official site with this message, can you send me info about it.

[O MARINA]

I got the same message about a local store who sells Caviar!
It won't be just for webmasters.

[O MARINA]

Dude even Switzerland is not neutral anymore

[lockept93]

At some point just saying "I'm not pro Putin" don't work anymore. Around the world millions of people are on the street and russians should do also. People need to lern that every benefit we all have comes from a peaceful together - everyone who do not stand 100% for these rules, can't be a member of our big together with all it's benifits.

Nobody hates russians - nobody give the fault russian people. But with accepting the gouverment they accepting what they do. Imagine millions of russians go on the streets and say stop - the war would be over in one day.

[HapaxLego]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

I got the same message about a local store who sells Caviar!
It won't be just for webmasters.

Well, since most genuine caviar comes from Russia, that's it for caviar.

[O MARINA]

Originally Posted by HapaxLego

Well, since most genuine caviar comes from Russia, that's it for caviar.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

Dude even Switzerland is not neutral anymore

That's wild, isn’t it? Wonder who put the pressure on them?

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by Fenris Wolf

The way I read it it is just traffic from those countries.

I thought the same, but then this line

Therefore we will not do business with anyone who supports the current regime in the Russian Federation and stands behind this war.

makes me think that they do NOT mean just the traffic.

Hence my question is, what is our united stand on this as an industry?

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Hence my question is, what is our united stand on this as an industry?

Those conversations aren't happening and won't happen on GFY.

[kuprum]

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

That's wild, isn’t it? Wonder who put the pressure on them?

I would have thought no pressure needed...

If Russia continues, especially with nuke threats, the whole world needs to ban all ties, and essentially with everyone Russian.

Nothing against Russians, but the leader.

A diplomatic end to this war would be if all of Russia citizens take a stand and says no to Putin, then maybe he would stop.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Please, let me know your thoughts.

So we're supposed to try to financially hurt Russian civilians, most of whom disagree with the war? Uh, no thanks.

[lockept93]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

So we're supposed to try to financially hurt Russian civilians, most of whom disagree with the war? Uh, no thanks.

I dont see anywhere that the most russian people are disagree with the war...I just hear it when they say it, but i dont see it.

More people in ever big city in Europe are on the streets, than in whole russia.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by lockept93

I dont see anywhere that the most russian people are disagree with the war...I just hear it when they say it, but i dont see it.

More people in ever big city in Europe are on the streets, than in whole russia.

They've arrested thousands of Russians for protesting. This is Putin's war that even the soldiers don't want to fight. And the sanctions they're having levied against them from pretty much the entire westernized world are going to decimate their economy.

The last thing they need is private businesses hunting down Russian civilians (who probably oppose the war more than you do) and trying to kill off their business.

[Fenris Wolf]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

I thought the same, but then this line
makes me think that they do NOT mean just the traffic.

Hence my question is, what is our united stand on this as an industry?

If you decide that yes I am for this war they are asking you to delete your account and request final payment. You are volunteering to close your account. They will not do it for you. Outside of that they are no longer accepting traffic from those countries. That's my interpretation.

I think the only united stand we have is we are all against war but when you start penalizing programs, webmasters, content creators, etc. based on geography you are walking a fine line.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

This is Putin's war that even the soldiers don't want to fight.

while agreeing with you regarding civilians, the bombs and missiles started destroying Ukraine today, killing civilians, after peace talks this morning. The soldiers are at fault for this

[lockept93]

Originally Posted by Fenris Wolf

If you decide that yes I am for this war they are asking you to delete your account and request final payment. You are volunteering to close your account. They will not do it for you. Outside of that they are no longer accepting traffic from those countries. That's my interpretation.

I think the only united stand we have is we are all against war but when you start penalizing programs, webmasters, content creators, etc. based on geography you are walking a fine line.

No. Would it be based on race it would be wrong. But people living in russia contribute indirectly to the rockets killing civil people right now.
Who accepted so long a gouverment like that should be considered be a part of this system. All we do is saying these people living in russia: Start stand up for YOUR peace.

Can't hear this shit they arrest people anymore. How they can arrest millions at once? Look what happen in Germany 1989-90. Same system was ended and ended the cold war. They just go all on the street and decide by them self that there is no more a wall - police was watching and 0 shots where fired. One of the biggest peaceful thing that happen in history, by a generation their grandparents did/support one of the most horroble thing that happen in history.

You know how we look back today to people like Honecker? He could just say a word and someone would get killed legally. Today we all see, he was just a small clown the whole regime completly a joke. I wish so hard the Russian people could reach that and feel what it feels like.

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

They've arrested thousands of Russians for protesting. This is Putin's war that even the soldiers don't want to fight. And the sanctions they're having levied against them from pretty much the entire westernized world are going to decimate their economy.

The last thing they need is private businesses hunting down Russian civilians (who probably oppose the war more than you do) and trying to kill off their business.

well said

[BaldBastard]

RIP Russia...

[TACNet]

Not sure its worth trying to filter out the traffic as once the SWIFT sanctions kick in then Russian credit cards wont work anymore anyway. So no Russian users will be able to sign up.

Also I cant see how sponsors will be able to pay Russian affiliates anymore without SWIFT

[Tasty1]

I don’t think many Russian webmasters or camgirls support any war or ready to pickup weapons. But i can understand that some cut them down with friends and family in Ukrain and to sent out a message . And i think when bombs drop on our country we will cut the lines and take over the business if possible also, to be able to pay for our freedom, safety and food.

"not do business with anyone who supports the current regime in the Russian Federation and stands behind this war"

But i read, only if you support the Russian war. How many Russians / People are supporting it? And when they do, do they realise they support the Ukrain using this program? Cause they are donating the money to Ukrain. Maybe keep the money for them, can't sent it anyway. They might try to get out of Russia before a new Iron Curtain is build. I know even some peoplewith father from Russia and mother Ukrain. And you can always keep the money if they supported the invasion. Just like they do with the yachts.

In the end, Putin still collects millions, probably in cash or gold now, every day from gas deliveries to the EU and other countries.

Who wants Russian traffic that can't be converted. Maybe some bitcoin programs.

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by Fenris Wolf

I think the only united stand we have is we are all against war but when you start penalizing programs, webmasters, content creators, etc. based on the geography you are walking a fine line.

Yes, I agree there.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

They've arrested thousands of Russians for protesting. This is Putin's war that even the soldiers don't want to fight. And the sanctions they're having levied against them from pretty much the entire westernized world are going to decimate their economy.

The last thing they need is private businesses hunting down Russian civilians (who probably oppose the war more than you do) and trying to kill off their business.

You are 100% right about it. The problem is that Western sanctions against regular citizens will work counterproductively. I'm not talking about personal sanctions against Putin's oligarchs, Putin's mobsters and Putin himself (regular Russians support these sanctions).

But when you apply sanctions to all the Russian citizens just because they are Russians (which is a pure Nazism actually), you just increase support of Putin here. They people got told: "Look what American and the EU governments did to you! That's because they hate all Russians! They are Nazis and we must unite with Putin to wight Western enemies".

If you didn't know that, I'm as a Russian telling you how it works in my country...

[adultchatpay]

Got this message from one network:

(i removed the network name) is an international company and to date we've always remained apolitical and non-involved in any conflicts around the globe. Hence, we run business in every corner of the world and have partners from nearly every country: both publishers that send us traffic and advertisers whom we send the latter.

But we're not the same anymore. 95% of our staff are from Ukraine, we're Ukrainians and there's a war in our country.

We've been atacked by Russia. It didn't come to save us but rather kill our people. Russia kills our children, women and men, lots of Ukrainians are left without their families and homes. It's not easy for us but all managers who remain in the cities that are under assault 24/7 still stay in touch and respond to the partners they manage. There are not enough words to describe our state and how we feel so any words of support are much needed and appreciated.

Furthermore, we'd also like to speak to those who doesn't share our views and believes in a wild notion that Russia has come to save Ukraine or any people on our territory, no matter what country or city you're from. Russia has come with a war to our lands, period. We're being shot at, shelled, launched missiles at in cities all over the country - Kyiv, Kharkiv, Chernihiv, Zaporizhzhia, Zhytomyr, Odesa, Mariupol and others - as well as smaller towns and villages. We're worried for the lives of our children, loved ones, family and friends, our own. People die, same people who were living a happy and troubleless life just a week ago.

So if you don't share our views we ask you to pause your traffic ASAP and forget about our network forever. We don't want to have anything in common with the people who don't want to open their eyes and understand what's really happenning.

Any comments and messages that will support and encourage this Russian war will be followed by an immediate and indisputable ban on our platform.

We wish our beloved Ukraine to get safe and peaceful again and may the lives of all Ukrainian people be saved.

Glory to Ukraine! Slava Ukraini!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

But when you apply sanctions to all the Russian citizens just because they are Russians ...

But when you bomb all Ukrainians just because they are Ukrainian...

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

Dude even Switzerland is not neutral anymore

Switzarland was never neutral, dyor

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

while agreeing with you regarding civilians, the bombs and missiles started destroying Ukraine today, killing civilians, after peace talks this morning. The soldiers are at fault for this

Keep one thing in mind when blaming the soldiers in this case.

Fail to do what Putin says and they will be executed. And if they can get to their families they will also be shot/killed.

Dont think that this does not happen.

That is why so many of the soldiers have just defected once they crossed in the Ukraine they can vanish and be considered KIA.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Keep one thing in mind when blaming the soldiers in this case.

Fail to do what Putin says and they will be executed. And if they can get to their families they will also be shot/killed.

Dont think that this does not happen.

That is why so many of the soldiers have just defected once they crossed in the Ukraine they can vanish and be considered KIA.

i absolutely agree...

I see a video yesterday, 2 18 yr old Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine and looking so blank, like their souls have been worn down by that ass hole Putin. They were saying they wanted to be home with family and not at war...

However, what i meant by my last comment, was merely, if they all stopped, Putin could not stop them all, they could also all stand undivided against Putin.

Again, I know easier said than done

[O MARINA]

Originally Posted by Biggie Smalls Web Writing

Switzarland was never neutral, dyor

What are you smoking exactly? You can't even spell Switzerland

[O MARINA]

Originally Posted by TACNet

Also I cant see how sponsors will be able to pay Russian affiliates anymore without SWIFT

Exactly...

[TurboB]

Only the option left is crypto. But I hope they find a way how to stop crypto too.

[fuzebox]

Any russian individual or company that makes any real money online doesn't receive payments into russia anyway.

[TACNet]

I cant see any way out of this for Putin

If he carries on and takes Ukraine, his economy will be in ruins. Ontop of that he will need to maintain a MASSIVE military presence there as I cant see the Ukranian's accepting any puppet government he puts in

On the other hand, if he backs down he will loose all credibility at home and likely be overthrown by his own people.

Even his old ally China appears to be sitting on the fence as they dont want to fall foul of the west's sanctions

A humiliated and cornered Putin could be a dangerous thing !

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

But when you bomb all Ukrainians just because they are Ukrainian...

I bomb Ukrainians? Maybe you do it?

[O MARINA]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Any russian individual or company that makes any real money online doesn't receive payments into russia anyway.

Define "real" money

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

Define "real" money

Enough to get wires rather than paxum I guess

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

I will do business with any good-hearted Russian, Ukrainian, American, Chinese, gay, straight, black or white citizen. Period.

[O MARINA]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Enough to get wires rather than paxum I guess

Even smaller paxum amounts or larger paxum accounts get transferred into their banks wherever. People don't put all traffic eggs into one basket anyway and not every "whale" sends large volume to 1 program. Big dollar amount or smaller does not matter. To anyone living abroad and making USD it's still a good living even if not a real "whale" like you said.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

I would have thought no pressure needed...

If Russia continues, especially with nuke threats, the whole world needs to ban all ties, and essentially with everyone Russian.

Nothing against Russians, but the leader.

A diplomatic end to this war would be if all of Russia citizens take a stand and says no to Putin, then maybe he would stop.

Read history sometime... swiz has ALWAYS been neutral

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Read history sometime... swiz has ALWAYS been neutral

I did read it, since 1815

[Biggie Smalls Web Writing]

Swiss Bank Helped Launder Nazi Gold

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

Even smaller paxum amounts or larger paxum accounts get transferred into their banks wherever. People don't put all traffic eggs into one basket anyway and not every "whale" sends large volume to 1 program. Big dollar amount or smaller does not matter. To anyone living abroad and making USD it's still a good living even if not a real "whale" like you said.

I didn't mean to offend anyone with the word "real", I guess I meant more that all the people I have ever dealt with in Russia don't bank in Russia regardless of how much they earn.

Paxum blocking transactions or debit card use in Russia would be a bigger problem than individual affiliate programs terming Russian affiliates.

[O MARINA]

There are no whale Roman Abramovich's of Web Traffic

All Webmaster Money Matters !

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by O MARINA

There are no whale Roman Abramovich's of Web Traffic

All Webmaster Money Matters !

What she said

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Biggie Smalls Web Writing

Swiss Bank Helped Launder Nazi Gold

........So?

[TurboB]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

CyberSEO - why you are posting CCCP (USSR) propaganda here?




My answer is:

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

I did read it, since 1815

Really? You don't look over 200 years old mate.

[Tasty1]

For adult it isn't that interesting for me. Don't have, sell or doing business with adult Russian programs for i know. But now even TUI (travel agency) has much Russian investors. He got a travel ban and assets frozen. Also has a big affiliate program that is doing well. And have direct flights to Cancun.