Business New pay site for UNDERWATER SEX and seek help...

[MrUnderwater]

Hey friends,

I started a new pay site 2 months ago and it's time to seek your help....

It's a very special micro niche site in the voyeur area: Underwater sex... The site is called underwatersexcam(dot)com

That's why I have my difficulties with ad networks, because I can generate a lot of clicks, but in the end not much sticks.

I have tried:

Juicyads - disappointing.
Exoclicks - well
Clickadilla - difficult
Traffic stars - quite good
Eroadvertising - best so far

Problem is the targeting. If e.g. no voyeur tag is offered and the pages are not known (only site ids) then I have the feeling that the advertising runs into the void.

I also tried affiliates, most of it came from xHamster (5 videos online)... but also from Porndude and some other review sites. Videos I have online on some tube sites.

Social media I do so far only Twitter under @underwatersexxx with 235k impressions and 55k profile visits (May and June).

My customers are satisfied, so far only 1 chargeback - and even he bought again...

Now I have 4-6 thousand pageviews a day, between 400 and 800 unique visitors, but also 15-30% bounces. 0.78% of join page views become members...

So. I am new in the business, but fun The workflow has settled in and it's time to grow.

What can you seriously recommend? What would you improve?

[DVTimes]

My thoughts:

1. underwatersexcam.com

The domain is too long and sounds like a webcam site. Personally I would use a better domain name.

2. Affiliate

I clicked on your affiliate link. It was verotel. My thought is, you may find you get more affiliates if you use ccbill.

3. Trailer

I looked at your 720p trailer. I think you should post min 1080, as even the text on the vid looked blurred.

https://www.underwatersexcam.com/?mb...xjdG0xMTYzODQ5

4. Design of site

It looks a bit flat and unexciting.

5. No models on the site

I had a look and I could not see any faces of any models, just pics on people below the head. I personally would want to see who is on your site before I join.

6. Content

It looks blurred. Even with a gopro, you should get sharp quality. For underwater, it looks very bad.

However you seem to have a decent amount of content.

Personally I would have filmed both above as well as below the water.

[andy erotic]

My thought: who the fuck is interested in underwater sex? how did you determine the market? who cleans out the water?

[DVTimes]

I had a look at a vid on xhamster.

https://xhamster.desi/videos/this-lo...ng-her-xhKmCV2

The sound on the film sounded like a horror film. The film was not sexy. I am not sure people will want to join to see a blurred films of people they cannot see the faces of, with horrific sounds.

[DVTimes]

I would also sugest different locations too.

It looks to be the same pool.

If it was me, I would film in different pools, and if warm enough, the sea as well.

I have seen footage of nudes underwater, and to be honest, other films seem a LOT better.

[DVTimes]

By the way, you have confirmed my points.

Your getting a LOT of views, yet your not getting sales.

At this point, before you waste money on trying to get more hits to your site, you need to stop, and work out why people do not want to pay to see your content.

Think of it like having a shop in a big populated city. You have thousands of people walk past each hour, yet no one buys anything. Do you think perhaps it is the shop does not look that good, or do you just have excuses and carry on regardless.

[DVTimes]

Also your charging $29 to join. Personally I would consider $19.99 at most per month. Especially as people have less money these days.

It also says on your join page, to join for HD films (High Quality Videos HD) but on your trailer you say:

"Most videos are in 4k, some in 720p or 1080p... Watch this trailer in 720p but the originals are in 4k. Have fun!"

This confused me. If you claim 'the originals are in 4k', to me that suggests your vids are 4k. If people join and find some are not, they may have a legitimate reason to do a cash back (or whatever it is called), as you may not be offering what you claim.

[DVTimes]

This is what I would do if I was you for ease.

Leave your site as it is.

Set up a new site.

I had a look, for a better domain name. waterysex.com is still available.

Set up a second site.

Link both sites together (so if you join one site you access the content on the other).
Then shoot better content for the new site.

Even with a gopro you will get a LOT better content.

I suggest you shoot faces too.

And shoot different locations.

Part of me is wondering if you simply went into a sex club and filmed people without them knowing.

Also I have zero idea why you have a whale as your logo on your first site, as it makes no sense.

Anyway, I hope what I have posted helps.

I suspect what I have posted is not what you wanted as a reply.

[andy erotic]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

Also I have zero idea why you have a whale as your logo on your first site, as it makes no sense.

Sperm whale or are the models fat?

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by andy erotic

Sperm whale or are the models fat?

The whale. It reminds me of the logo I see on many fish and chip shops (in the UK).

It does not matter if models are fat, as many people love to see real people, rather than plastic models. However, I also believe people want to see models faces. The fact one cannot see any faces, could be a huge problem (and probably why he or she is not converting).

The idea he or she has for the site is a good one. However the site looks rather 2004 and the content looks poor.

Done correctly, this site should convert with ease.

Its why I suggest it is probably worth starting a new site, simply because this site seems to have a lot of content, and would need each vid editing with the new domain name and so on.

[CurrentlySober]

My Recommendation? Widen niche by introducing a wetlook fetish element.

Have people getting in / wet gradually, fully clothed (shot above ground) then gradually touching and undressing each other underwater. (Normal Shooting style)

Once clothes have been discarded, then you are left with what you are already shooting.

A lot of people would be interested in the clothed stuff, and not bother with the nudity. Likewise, if the nudity lovers don't like clothes, they can jump forward.

Basically, you are then doubling your audience, with minimal difference / expense in your shooting style.

Read THIS POST I made regarding the part about 'Outside No Knickers' and 'Baby Oil on Tee Shirts' as an example of making one shoot appeal to 2 different audiences.








oh yeah, and have them poo themselves underwater as well... That's an unexploited and unexplored niche that I'd lik 2 see.

[Manfap]

First bit of advice is dont listen to DVtimes, his site is called blahsalami or something, and it is really bad.

Second is as it's niche you should probably look at getting your content on the clip stores. they seem to work better on smaller niches. https://www.clips4sale.com/

And what are you targetting on purchased traffic? You'd really need to lock it down to just a few publishers.

[plsureking]

hey Bro! disregard everything DVTimes has to say. he's a troll.

if he wants to criticize other sites, he should improve his own.



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[plsureking]

Originally Posted by andy erotic

My thought: who the fuck is interested in underwater sex? how did you determine the market? who cleans out the water?

another troll. spend some time in the industry before you criticize. you were in the biz for a minute a decade ago (?) and just got back.

every niche has an audience. if you knew anything about porn you'd know that! there's even an audience for poo vids

this site is actually growing fast - and its on PornCMS

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[andy erotic]

Originally Posted by plsureking

another troll. spend some time in the industry before you criticize. you were in the biz for a minute a decade ago (?) and just got back.

every niche has an audience. if you knew anything about porn you'd know that! there's even an audience for poo vids
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A minute. lol. I still have income from various sites but yeah, just got back from shopping. Yes, so how big is this audience you speak of for underwater sex? Give us precise numbers and show us all how you gots the smarts over me. You only seem to be calling me out to promote your cms.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by Manfap

First bit of advice is dont listen to DVtimes, his site is called blahsalami or something, and it is really bad.

Why? I am sure his "videos" sell like hot cakes...

https://xhamster.com/videos/northern...es-sex-xhq3dFK

[andy erotic]

To be fair, sound-only previews are an interesting concept. some people are turned on by sound, some by pictures, some by video and some by doing. audio / visual / kinesthetic.

[zijlstravideo]

Nice concept.

But man, your website needs some work. It doesn't look "very sexy". A more visually appealing website, combined with a fast, exciting, 60 seconds highlights trailer, will likely help bring up the sign-up ratio. There's just a whole lot of room for improvements in terms of all the visual content (the editing, logo, web and graphics design etc).


By the way, ever considered or looked into the Insta 360 one RS camera? It's a tiny cam (ala GoPro), only costs around $500, shoots in 5.7K and has a 360 degree wide-angle lens.

Plus, the cam comes with user-friendly editing software (+ Adobe Premiere plugins), which allows you to rotate the frame in 360 degrees while playing your video footage afterwards, and "choose" the final angle of the shot in post production, rather than while you're recording. Check here: https://www.insta360.com/product/insta360-oners

Perhaps it could give you much more freedom in editing if you would combine the GoPro with a 360 cam like that (and just let it record the whole time, while you frame that footage later on).

The cam can even be used as a regular GoPro style camera by swapping the lens. Pretty cool toy, can recommend...


Good luck with the website and all.

[fuzebox]

There's lots of advice here, some good, some bad.

Here's what came to my mind:

1) Your join page is awful. Even if someone wanted to sign up, I don't think they would figure out how... I'm amazed that anyone at all clicked on that verotel banner, all your random payment banners look like a list of garbage at the bottom of the page. It is not inuitive to click on "100% real amateurs" to pay either.

2) You won't be profitable buying banners, people like me will outbid you every time with funnels that have been proven to return the highest EPC over years. I haven't seen your banners, but I am guessing they are awful and no one will click them.

3) If you have all this exclusive content, chop it up and upload it to all the tubes. Make sure your titles and descriptions hit all the search keywords since they rank for your terms ("underwater sex" on google brings up xvideos, pornhub, and xhamster).

4) For something weird and nichey like this, gifs are your friend. Figure out how to make an attention grabbing 2-3 second gif and upload it to all the porn gif sites.

[Paper_Amar]

Originally Posted by DVTimes

This is what I would do if I was you for ease.

Leave your site as it is.

Set up a new site.

I had a look, for a better domain name. waterysex.com is still available.

Set up a second site.

Link both sites together (so if you join one site you access the content on the other).
Then shoot better content for the new site.

Even with a gopro you will get a LOT better content.

I suggest you shoot faces too.

And shoot different locations.

Part of me is wondering if you simply went into a sex club and filmed people without them knowing.

Also I have zero idea why you have a whale as your logo on your first site, as it makes no sense.

Anyway, I hope what I have posted helps.

I suspect what I have posted is not what you wanted as a reply.

This is why gfy is great - awesome ideas DV

[Paper_Amar]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

There's lots of advice here, some good, some bad.

Here's what came to my mind:

1) Your join page is awful. Even if someone wanted to sign up, I don't think they would figure out how... I'm amazed that anyone at all clicked on that verotel banner, all your random payment banners look like a list of garbage at the bottom of the page. It is not inuitive to click on "100% real amateurs" to pay either.

2) You won't be profitable buying banners, people like me will outbid you every time with funnels that have been proven to return the highest EPC over years. I haven't seen your banners, but I am guessing they are awful and no one will click them.

3) If you have all this exclusive content, chop it up and upload it to all the tubes. Make sure your titles and descriptions hit all the search keywords since they rank for your terms ("underwater sex" on google brings up xvideos, pornhub, and xhamster).

4) For something weird and nichey like this, gifs are your friend. Figure out how to make an attention grabbing 2-3 second gif and upload it to all the porn gif sites.

Same here!

[MrUnderwater]

First of all, thank you for your commitment - also from trolls - not everything is wrong what trolls write n When you work for months on such a project you are in a bubble and it is important to take the point of view of other people. There are a lot of offers from ad networks, web designers, SEO companies and they all promise and sell you everything you want to hear. But as in any business, not everything works.

I'll say that I don't need the money from this project to live and I'm otherwise successful in business, just not in adult business yet. So I can only learn a lot.

A few things I'll take up now:

1. design: Yes, this is old school and it was also first about creating the basis. Mainly I focused on the content. There is a lot of potential here and I will tackle that soon.

2. content/ video quality: I don't think everyone has understood that yet. It is a voyeur site, comparable to voyeur sites of topless or nudist beaches. Therefore the quality is not comparable with the high gloss porn videos. But they are authentic and - believe it or not - that's what some people want to see. I find the vast majority of porn with the so-called porn stars really boring. But this is a matter of taste and sexual preference.

3. unfortunately, nowadays it is no longer possible to offer such voyeur sites without restrictions. The compliance departmens have meanwhile real restrictions. After long examination and although all other conditions were given, CCBill had unfortunately rejected at the end. This is due to the restrictions imposed by the credit card companies. For old sites this does not apply yet, but CCBill wants to change this in the future. For this reason there are no faces to be seen. I'm guaranteed to be on the legal side here and have no desire to change that either....

4. join page design: Yes, I have to look at that again. I personally don't find that difficult at all to click on something and figure out how to do it, but you're already right. The way should be simple. Since I had some customers with credit cards problems, I recently added gift cards and bitcoin as a test. A few customers did the same. That's why it's become more cluttered. Full API integration is possible, but I pushed that to the back.

5. pricing: The first weeks I actually had 19.95 as default price. But then set it higher after all. My idea was originally that 1000 customers paying 19.95 is much better than 100 customers paying 29.95 ;-) but the price increase was accompanied by the download option and so I suddenly had a lot more customers... Interestingly, a number of customers also paid 99.95 for 6 months and quite a few 39.95 (non-recurring). Obviously not everyone likes the subscription...

6. xhamster etc.: Yes, I am working on that and Xhamster is my biggest affiliate. Pornhub doesn't want this kind of videos anymore. P.S. The sound is original But since I will take maybe in the future whale songs and delete the original sound. That fits then also to the logo! Other Tube sites I'm testing...

7. ad networks: I have already received a few thousand clicks and there are also customers, but I also wonder if the target audience is reached... But I'm working on that too. I know only classic banner advertising, but now I will test other formats.

8. porn gifs: This is really new for me and I will have a closer look. Thanks for the tip!

9. a logo is a logo is a logo... If you find it terrible you will remember it. The other 9 billion logos you won't...

10. forget clip4sale etc.: They will not accept these videos...

Thanks again to all, the exchange of ideas is well worth the time. Maybe one day I can also give some valuable tips. In any case, you have done something for good karma.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by MrUnderwater

2. content/ video quality: I don't think everyone has understood that yet. It is a voyeur site, comparable to voyeur sites of topless or nudist beaches. Therefore the quality is not comparable with the high gloss porn videos. But they are authentic and - believe it or not - that's what some people want to see. I find the vast majority of porn with the so-called porn stars really boring. But this is a matter of taste and sexual preference.

3. unfortunately, nowadays it is no longer possible to offer such voyeur sites without restrictions. The compliance departmens have meanwhile real restrictions. After long examination and although all other conditions were given, CCBill had unfortunately rejected at the end. This is due to the restrictions imposed by the credit card companies. For old sites this does not apply yet, but CCBill wants to change this in the future. For this reason there are no faces to be seen.

I'm surprised that Verotel accepts your content as this is a prime example of unconsensual pornography and the content probably breaks several laws (including European privacy and criminal laws). That's why everyone else refused it. You shoot commercial porn without consent and age verification of the persons depicted and the fact their faces can't be seen doesn't change that.

Kind of strange as they (Verotel) refused a fully legal scene with all docs where an actress is shown to have a single sip of wine (even if it was nonalcoholic wine), yet they don't have a problem with voyeur sites? That's fucked up...

Originally Posted by MrUnderwater

I'm guaranteed to be on the legal side here

Who told you this?

[bns666]

Originally Posted by Manfap

First bit of advice is dont listen to DVtimes, his site is called blahsalami or something, and it is really bad.

[DVTimes]

A simple question. Did those involved sign a model release and provide ID's?

While if you shoot outside in public, you do not need a model release, you do if it is in a private building.

[okdesign]

what a nice niche

[nikki99]

once I came in a public pool and the sperm look like milk on the tea

ps: BTW verotel is the best congrats

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by MrUnderwater

The sound is original But since I will take maybe in the future whale songs and delete the original sound. That fits then also to the logo!

that would be funny lol

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[MrAsh]

I'm fucking curious about watching the content after reading this discussion . /Kinda gangster could dare doing that staff . My experience is about good old porn and no water-sex or space-sex or vacuum-sex or whatever . Why should I care about particularly watersex that is the question