If you work with Naughty America, get paid in advance.

[Arnox]

Last year, Jesse Garza headhunted me to do some writing work for Naughty America that was part of an SEO strategy. Initially, the plan was for me to be contracted directly with Naughty America - all of the work I was doing was directly for them. Sadly, their legal department was taking so long getting a contract together and well, Jesse and I just wanted to get on and do some goddamn work.

I'd heard through other contacts that Naughty America had been sketchy with payouts and to be honest, I put more trust into Jesse being a middleman than I did being contracted directly with Naughty anyway. I had someone vouch for him and since I'm 10,000 miles away, a contract isn't much good anyway - what am I going to do, take them to small claims court?

Sadly, Jesse died a few months ago and I was left being owed a few thousand bucks. I reached out to a contact at Naughty America (Justin) and after months of very little contact or information, effectively got told to pound sand.

Naughty has no legal obligation to pay me, but like I said: even if they did, what am I going to do? I'm in Australia, they're in the US - it'd be a dead end regardless.

Naughty does have a moral obligation to pay me. The work I did was only ever for them and as a part of Jesse's SEO strategy. Him being a middleman financially was just for convenience, since the people who wanted to move the project along and the people who do all of the paperwork were working in vastly different universes.

Thread is just a warning to anyone else: if you do things informally and trust the goodwill of Naughty America to settle their debts, you run the risk of being burned. Also, RIP Jesse - you were good to work with and I hope you're in a better place.

Jesse convos

Justin convos

[Tasty1]

I was happy when they finally paid and pulled all links.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...venue-pay.html

[plsureking]

yea it sounds like you weren't working for Naughty America, you were working for the RIP dude. NA doesn't have any obligation to you (or know who you are).

if i did work for a marketing company, and the boss dies, or the biz folds, i am not going to contact their clients to get my paycheck paid. that would be ridiculous, especially as a freelancer.

this seems like a shady thread smearing a company who never had a contract or agreement with you.

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[Arnox]

Originally Posted by plsureking

yea it sounds like you weren't working for Naughty America

If you bothered to read the messages, it was very clear that the plan was for me to be contracted directly with NA. Their legal team was taking an age to put together a contract and Jesse grew tired, so he offered to just middleman the payments to move the project along.

"I'm going to CC you in emails with NA's lawyer: they want your details to draft up a contract" is very much not analogous to me being a marketing agency's employee and going after the client.

[Klen]

Should of do background check first.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Arnox

If you bothered to read the messages, it was very clear that the plan was for me to be contracted directly with NA. Their legal team was taking an age to put together a contract and Jesse grew tired, so he offered to just middleman the payments to move the project along.

"I'm going to CC you in emails with NA's lawyer: they want your details to draft up a contract" is very much not analogous to me being a marketing agency's employee and going after the client.

yea i bothered to read the messages. they helped me form my opinion.

who gives a shit about the "plan"? a plan is just talk until the money is in the bank.

were these supposed "contracts" ever written or started? the RIP dude mentioned them "taking forever". did you talk to anyone else at NA? you were told you would be cc'd with lawyers. how far did that get? you have contacts of these lawyers?

these companies have standardized fill-in-the-blank contracts. they don't need months to get a freelance contract written.

my opinion - you weren't working directly for NA at any time.

the RIP dude screwed you.

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[Arnox]

Originally Posted by plsureking

the RIP dude screwed you.

Andddd that's a block. Have some respect.

[plsureking]

Originally Posted by Arnox

Andddd that's a block. Have some respect.

you can't face the fact that you are totally wrong and slandering an industry business.

i give no fucks if you "block" me. this isn't social media

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