JesseQuinn

fifty disrespected wait staff


so you don't want to tip on the bill or out of pocket. never had a cross Server. prob just lucky

why you mad? cuz a corp inflated your bill?

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jscott

I love to tip well to anyone who does their job well and seems like they'd appreciate a good tip. But I do see this tipping direction we're heading, they're trying to normalize tipping for nothing. A bitchy waitress with horrible service doesn't deserve a tip, nope. None at all.

JesseQuinn

coolio


yeah NA it getting crazy with that. but to put that on servers? not fair



maybe her pet died, or she just ended a relationship or had a manuscript rejected. or had the flu..

but showed up for work so she wouldn't get fired

in a situation like that I'd just talk to her

feel you 100% on enforced corp tipping. my fav bistro place back in TO started adding an 'optional' tip to the bill

no suh. so the corp can get their cut and the wait staff have to, uh, wait, until payday for a fraction of that 'tip'?

we pooled our cash tips at the table, always writing on the bill "excellent service, we chose to tip out of pocket"

it's a weird dichotomy at least as far as corps have positioned it

I just don't think getting angry at people who serve us food and drink and make way less than us are worthy of ire

it's the biz owners doing this

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DBS.US

I have lived in Hong Kong and France. No tipping, and I got better service the in the U.S.

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The best service I have ever seen was in Moscow (compared to the States, EU, etc). In a place where I now live, leaving a tip can be seen as an insult to the owner of the restaurant. For real

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JesseQuinn

not too long ago someone I know from around adult mentioned that tipping in Japan is considered insulting

I was really interested by this so did some reading and yeps, he was right

it probably has to do with the fact that people who work in service in Japan are paid this crazy thing called a living wage

there, if one feels compelled to tip, it must be clean, crisp bills (as in not crumpled notes stuffed in a wallet or pocket), presented in an envelope, with a slight bow to show gratitude and respect

apparently an evening with a geisha is ok for tipping, but same deal. brand new notes, in an envelope, with a bow. presented at the end of the evening

very foreign concept to me but a fascinating concept that preserves dignity and humanity

tipping is def rooted in culture (and again, what people in service are actually paid as base wages/salary)


in the West I always get excellent service, probs cuz I'm nice to service workers and recognize they rely on tips to pay the bills. crumpled bills out of my pocket or not. please and thank you's also go a long way to preserving dignity for those who need those tips to maintain a living wage, without them feeling like shit for needing them


really interesting topic, how much the practice varies from country to country. where I'm at in a very small town most local peeps don't tip cuz they can't afford it. I can, it's the decent thing to do

I NEVER added the tip to the bill though back in NA. no fucking way the owner of the biz gets a cut for work they didn't do. cash out of pocket at the table

but yeah, def no universal global standard. for those who travel extensively probs good to read up on local custom beforehand. you being an excellent case in point on that. props for rolling with local custom

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Socialized tipping AKA tipping due to "equity"

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JesseQuinn

what I was referring to is actually the opposite of socialism (of which I am not a fan)

more like rampant unenforced capitalism where you make $10 to $13 in Toronto (try living a decent life in a decent studio apartment and maybe perchance paying for school off that?). average studios in rough neighbourhoods are $900 or more a month. before elect, before internet. before food. before public transit fare

is that ok? fuck no. but def not tips as 'socialist'. just recognize econ circumstances and pitch in where one can for those with less than us

those tips are absolutely the decent thing to do if one can afford them. if too expensive in a city like TO, order one less $10 drink and give it to him/her

there's nothing 'socialist' about it. corps underpay their workers and we decide if we want to be decent so they can pay their personal bills

decency does not equal socialism

where I'm at in JA. same deal. don't go to corp-owned establishments but fuck if I'm gonna pay the cost of 2 cigarettes for hand crushed ice and hand squeezed lime water that's $150

I tip twice the cost cuz I get paid in USD for adult stuff and $300 JAD (less than 2.50 dollars USD) is nothing for my absolutely fav drink

I brought up Japan cuz the point is...a country where in cities people in service are paid well

sounds kinda socialist to me

on this you are, respectfully, totally missing the point

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Huggles

I went to a cold beer and wine store the other day and it never asked for a tip before, and this time it did, and the minimum was 15%!

THEN I went to fucking Starbucks drive-thru, and IT had a fucking tip option! Never saw that shit before!

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But shouldn't market dynamics determine the rate instead of basing it off people's costs?

Remember, the price of goods on the market are not based on how much resources/labor were put on them but the SUBJECTIVE VALUE ** BUYERS** have of the goods for sale. See https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s...y-of-value.asp

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Doctor's office staff? Yay or nay?

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jscott

Couple more "Yay or nay?" to add:

The hospital staff that pushes around people in wheelchairs?

Air hostesses?

JayMoyes

Also for the list, Access Paratransit drivers, which may be a little confusing.

Paratransit is an extension of the bus lines. Access policy specifically says drivers are not to accept tips. And there's a reason for this. Access does not want drivers given preferential treatment to riders or breaking the rules in exchange for tips.

What makes this difficult for riders to understand is paratransit bus agencies often contract and subcontract with taxi companies, and it's not uncommon to see cabs picking up ambulatory Access riders. So riders, especially the elderly think they need to tip the drivers, and given the cab drivers make less than when they're picking up fares, the cabbies appreciate it.

But it's not necessary to tip the full time Access drivers.

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Tasty1

I met some waitresses in Las Vegas. In a bar when someone ordered a drink himself she kept repeating she was there to serve us

In Resorts World the waitresses where so slow people started ordering themselves. And waitresses got a little annoyed when not getting a tip...
It was also good, it was hard to get drunk!

I see the shops and bars in Las Vegas pay now more than minimum wage. It is time to stop the inflation of giving tips!

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If a gas station attendant does your windows it’s customary to tip. I do not believe in tipping. I believe in over tipping.

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just a punk

To be honest, I've never been to Japan (I'm not a fan of their traditions, culture, and all that anime/hentai/manga/kawai stuff, sorry), but I'm in Asia now, so maybe it really is a kind of Eastern mentality.

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Another group of service people I don't tip: people at the bank

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I generously tip the street girls who allow me to empty my balls in one of their three holes . . .

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jscott

Leave it to the extremists to politicize a tipping thread.

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I tip waitresses, those almost other-wordly creatures, with my phone number . . .

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Forgot to add . . .

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Quick history behind tipping

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