Alec Baldwin indicted on involuntary manslaughter

[adultinnovation]

Prosecutors charged Alec Baldwin again with involuntary manslaughter after being indicted by a grand jury Friday in connection with the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of "Rust" in 2021, according to documents obtained by Fox News Digital.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...e-set-shooting

[OneHungLo]

The Trump curse is real.

[Mr Pheer]

Sucks getting a criminal charge when no criminal intent was present. It was an accident.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Sucks getting a criminal charge when no criminal intent was present. It was an accident.

That's why it's "involuntary" manslaughter.

Baldwin was producing the movie. He was warned about the person he hired to handle gun safety on set. His crew even threatened to quit if he didn't address the issues. Then, somebody died because of his neglect.

Look at it this way: if the brakes on your car are finished, and your mechanic tells you it's unsafe to drive, but you still do and end up causing a crash that kills someone; your neglect caused the death of that person even though it was a total accident.

[CaptainHowdy]

Alec Baldwin is insufferable. Have at him . . .

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

That's why it's "involuntary" manslaughter.

Baldwin was producing the movie. He was warned about the person he hired to handle gun safety on set. His crew even threatened to quit if he didn't address the issues. Then, somebody died because of his neglect.

Look at it this way: if the brakes on your car are finished, and your mechanic tells you it's unsafe to drive, but you still do and end up causing a crash that kills someone; your neglect caused the death of that person even though it was a total accident.

100% right.

If they are going to charge him, I bet they got all of their health and safety documents and found fuck all in the way of documentation on the guns, ammo, chain of command, etc etc...

A jobsite I visited before COVID had a guy fall off a ladder and then try and sue everybody, but the documentation was so good they were able to prove the ladder he used was his own and it was cracked and all shitty anyways. Also the foreman had made it clear in the toolbox talk that buddy was to leave his shitty wooden ladder in his truck. Didn't listen, fell off his shit ladder, then tried to sue. Like fuck off buddy.

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Sucks getting a criminal charge when no criminal intent was present. It was an accident.

There has to be a lot of fucking around on set and retards in charge for a gun, on a film set, to have been loaded with real bullets.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Sucks getting a criminal charge when no criminal intent was present. It was an accident.

the careless way it was done. you test it and make sure... i hope they convict his ass.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Sucks getting a criminal charge when no criminal intent was present. It was an accident.

Do you not understand what involuntary manslaughter is?

[Spunky]

Just another formality he will escape.

[The Porn Nerd]

Good. He pulled the fucking trigger and from what I heard/read it was in-between takes and he was fooling around going 'Bang Bang' like a child when it went off killing that poor woman.

Then he acted like a punk trying to wiggle out of it....it's a shame. I had respect for his acting talent once, especially when he was banging Kim Bassinger.

[adultinnovation]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Like fuck off buddy.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Good. He pulled the fucking trigger and from what I heard/read it was in-between takes and he was fooling around going 'Bang Bang' like a child when it went off killing that poor woman.

Then he acted like a punk trying to wiggle out of it....it's a shame. I had respect for his acting talent once, especially when he was banging Kim Bassinger.

Oh wow, I always thought he was running the set or something, and they charged him because he was in charge of the whole thing. I had no idea THAT's what went down. And especially being an actor he has to be aware that people have been killed on set with those prop guns.

[LiveAdultHelp]

His acting is shit

[The Porn Nerd]

Interesting watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKuAerWD3bY

[celandina]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh wow, I always thought he was running the set or something, and they charged him because he was in charge of the whole thing. I had no idea THAT's what went down. And especially being an actor he has to be aware that people have been killed on set with those prop guns.

The basic rule on ANY movie set anywhere is : NO real guns and NO live ammo. Period full stop! 2nd Amendment does NOT apply. Simple !

AS a producer, he should be charged with negligence since he was aware that real guns and live ammo was on set for days. The buck stops with the producer....!

Now, as an actor, he MUST rely on the armorer to provide safe gun. The fact that he pulled the trigger or NOT is immaterial. As an actor he is NOT responsible. When a weapon is on set, it is the armorer who is "the boss" during that time, same as when "pyro" is used, it is the pyrotechnic or when a stunt is performed, it is the stunt coordinator.

Obviously the Arizona hillbillies do NOT have a clue how a proper set is to be run. He should be charged with a criminal negligence, NOT a manslaughter

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by celandina

The basic rule on ANY movie set anywhere is : NO real guns and NO live ammo. Period full stop! 2nd Amendment does NOT apply. Simple !

AS a producer, he should be charged with negligence since he was aware that real guns and live ammo was on set for days. The buck stops with the producer....!

Now, as an actor, he MUST rely on the armorer to provide safe gun. The fact that he pulled the trigger or NOT is immaterial. As an actor he is NOT responsible. When a weapon is on set, it is the armorer who is "the boss" during that time, same as when "pyro" is used, it is the pyrotechnic or when a stunt is performed, it is the stunt coordinator.

Obviously the Arizona hillbillies do NOT have a clue how a proper set is to be run. He should be charged with a criminal negligence, NOT a manslaughter

As the producer, Alec was in charge of hiring the crew AND was in charge of safety during the shoot.

It was a low-budget shoot. The armourer he hired was a known nepo-baby who had a history of having complaints lodged against her on other shoots for unsafely discharging LIVE rounds on set. She was also previously fired from other shoots when people got hurt from accidentally discharged weapons on set.

TLDR; She has a history of incompetence.




On top of that, she was also hired as a props assistant.

Her last day of working as an armourer was on Oct 17th. The shooting happened on Oct 21st. On that day, she was only on set as a prop assistant.

So, the producer (Alec Baldwin) decided that he didn't need an armor on set for a day where a gun would be used.

TLDR; The person in charge of guns wasn't even doing her duty that day for budget reasons




Lastly, the production crew of the movie had threatened multiple times to leave the set if Alec wouldn't beef up security measures. He refused to and neglected his duties.

When you look at the context and all the facts, I'd say manslaughter is 100% justified considering all the times Alec made the wrong decision INCLUDING pulling the trigger without an armoured on set AND without checking the safety of the weapon himself.

[OneHungLo]

Here are the possible charges and the differences between each one. After reading this I would say that nowhere is right. Manslaughter seems to be the appropriate charge because of the recklessness.


Murder - A person commits an offense if they: 1) intentionally or knowingly cause the death of an individual, 2) intend to cause serious bodily injury and commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual, or 3) commit or attempt to commit a felony other than manslaughter and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, they commit or attempt to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual.
Mental state: Intentional or knowing


Manslaughter - A person commits an offense if they recklessly cause the death of an individual.
Mental state: Reckless


Criminally Negligent Homicide - A person commits an offense if they cause the death of an individual by criminal negligence.
Mental state: Criminal negligence




Definitions of Mental States

Intentional - A person acts intentionally, or with intent, with respect to a result of their conduct when it is their conscious objective or desire to cause the result.

Knowing - A person acts knowingly, or with knowledge, with respect to a result of their conduct when they are aware that their conduct is reasonably certain to cause the result.

Reckless - A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to the result of their conduct when they are aware of but consciously disregard a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor’s standpoint.

Criminal Negligence - A person acts with criminal negligence, or is criminally negligent, with respect to the result of their conduct when they ought to be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor’s standpoint.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

After reading this I would say that nowhere is right

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

That's why it's "involuntary" manslaughter.

Baldwin was producing the movie. He was warned about the person he hired to handle gun safety on set. His crew even threatened to quit if he didn't address the issues. Then, somebody died because of his neglect.

Look at it this way: if the brakes on your car are finished, and your mechanic tells you it's unsafe to drive, but you still do and end up causing a crash that kills someone; your neglect caused the death of that person even though it was a total accident.

I thought for sure he'd skate through this. Happy to see that may not be the case.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

As the producer, Alec was in charge of hiring the crew AND was in charge of safety during the shoot.

It was a low-budget shoot. The armourer he hired was a known nepo-baby who had a history of having complaints lodged against her on other shoots for unsafely discharging LIVE rounds on set. She was also previously fired from other shoots when people got hurt from accidentally discharged weapons on set.

TLDR; She has a history of incompetence.




On top of that, she was also hired as a props assistant.

Her last day of working as an armourer was on Oct 17th. The shooting happened on Oct 21st. On that day, she was only on set as a prop assistant.

So, the producer (Alec Baldwin) decided that he didn't need an armor on set for a day where a gun would be used.

TLDR; The person in charge of guns wasn't even doing her duty that day for budget reasons




Lastly, the production crew of the movie had threatened multiple times to leave the set if Alec wouldn't beef up security measures. He refused to and neglected his duties.

When you look at the context and all the facts, I'd say manslaughter is 100% justified considering all the times Alec made the wrong decision INCLUDING pulling the trigger without an armoured on set AND without checking the safety of the weapon himself.

OK, I agree he should be charged with criminal negligence ( or even with manslaughter) BUT as a PRODUCER NOT as an actor. That was my point, as it would set a precedent for a further lazy and cheap producers to "get away with murder" and making actors responsible.

[Retiree]

I liked him more as Jack Donaghy, should have just stayed in character.