redwhiteandblue

Course they will. Think about it. Suppose I've never heard of your site. Yeah I know it's incomprehensible to you but just suppose. If I search for "swing my wife" what am I searching for? Not your site, because I've never heard of it. So that's what Google shows me, results that are not your site.

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trevesty

Yep. Pretty much.

And without any signals to Google about it, it'll continue to be that way. The obvious solution is to complain on GFY rather than doing the work, though.

JesseQuinn

just curious as to what entity submitted the DMCAs you listed above, and if in 2024 you're still receiving them?

there are a few companies that have been discussed here that are wreaking havoc on legit sites with legitimate use to content (affiliate material, cam embeds, hell some companies even get DMCAs on their own content!)

Rulta, DMCA Piracy Protection (formerly BrandItScan), Cam Model Protection...there's a bunch of them

basically they use bots to scan for names of their clients, and auto-issue DMCAs without anyone even checking to see how the content is being used and by whom


even names completely out of context get DMCA'ed. a few months back I remember reading that NASA got DMCA'ed by DMCA Piracy Protection cuz they were launching the Artemis 2 spaceship and the company represented a performer who used the name Artemis. you really can't make this ish up


apparently some of these DMCA companies, when contacted about flagrantly fraudulent conduct, say "hey, no problem, we'll whitelist you"

so every affiliate or studio needs to send a whole long list of companies all their sites, just to be left alone?

it's gotten really out of hand, and in a lot of cases it's the DMCA companies and NOT the performers that are at fault. with these co's, one could argue (I do), that performers who pay for these bullshit services are getting ripped off too. costs them money and damages their reputations in the process


I don't even know how badly DMCAs are used against competitors these days, it seems to be a few companies representing performers/creators that are causing most of the damage in adult

a few major site network owners got so fed up they posted an open letter located here

wondering if back in 2022, and currently if still an issue, who the DMCAs were/are filed by?

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The Porn Nerd

Its not as simple as that dude. There are thousands of links from tubes for that site so people have heard of it (just judging by the millions of views on tubes). Not saying it is a huge site at all but it is not anonymous.

But that is just one example. I have much larger sites with the same issues. Also it is not just me (see above).

Stop carrying water for Big G. If I/we could fix/stop this we would. Getting backlinks IS important. My point was that with all this flucuation, and with Google SEO experts having trouble and being confused, how should a small webmaster navigate this issue?

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mopek1

That is what they are doing. I stopped arguing with them.

camdomains

Seems to do with old domains, i have a recently developed mainstream domain that was indexed well and recently went black.. what i see in GSC is that while its not an old domain, google seems to think its 10 years old all of a sudden and while it shows results for domain.com in a search, the word itself and all other pages dont appear.

I guessing they are blocking because of this wayback misinterpretation as you have talked about in this thread

laouch

I mean that these shitty DMCA also target the homepages, if you dont pay attention the homepage of your websites can also disappear from google.

celandina

2 pages of complaints against DMCA companies, yet nobody posts a link to a single one which got "unjustly" targeted. Weird

TeenCat

thank you for the answer. i mean, all the dmcas came from "on behalf of twitter" or "on behalf of instragram" ... some anynoymous bitches shutting my pages down because some "bitch on instagram" owns contant on brazzers ... just a great strategy but those guys will end up on wheelchair or in jail with some great male male content ...

thank you man, i always do counter to whole and every dmca, but good to know some asses are this strict ... no worries, there is special place in future for them, it is called hell ;) ;) :D

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most welcome, and good luck! this ish is infuriating, and yes these companies are profitting off illegal conduct. submitting fraudulent DMCAs is perjury

the companies that use bots to scan the net for any mention of their client's performer name are 100% to blame. and the more their bots find, the more they can say 'look, see how thorough we're being?". then upselling the performer client on larger DMCA service packages. more money for them, and everyone else gets screwed

in asking who about submitter of the DMCAs, I wasn't asking what the 'original URLs' are, which yeah are usually insta, OF, twitter, etc, but rather who sent the DMCAs to google. usually it's 'company x' on behalf of 'performer name'

the sender usually isn't the performer herself, and most have no idea how exploitative these so-called 'services' are

was just curious as to what companies have been hitting you


granted my post above was kinda long (I tend to do that), but had you read it, you'd see I mentioned several of the most notorious, plus also a link to legit companies that are fighting back on receiving DMCAs for content they produced themselves

I hate piracy. not even just in theory but as a performer myself. I do dabble in aff stuff but always use my own creatives with my own content so I've never been hit by what's being going down. but it IS happening


real pirates and thieves, of course hit the fuck out of them with DMCAs and light their houses on fire


what I'm saying is, imagine you, as a producer, getting DMCAed for stuff you filmed, produced, had paid the performer for. same for any of your affiliates using legit sponsor content provided by your aff program. craziness right?

the DMCA companies I mentioned plus a whole bunch more are to blame for doing that

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$5 submissions

Google's cracking down on crappy AI mass produced sites

They also are slamming PBN link-powered sites

Talk about a double whammy

But this is just the beginning. I suspect the age of mass AI content sites is over...

Ironic since Google's current list based layout will be soon replaced by a ChatGPT "One Answer" type layout

Say goodbye to most of your traffic when that happens

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laouch

Very possible but in this case they would need to rethink all their business model and that would be very risky for them (Alphabet stock), Google is not that tiny startup anymore.

celandina

Jesse Quinn


I did read and just now again... The letter by the three companies?

Yanks have over 100 pages of amateur content. Probably legit but I am sure of the 100's of models some do not want to be shared. Until I know if it is 100 % internally produced content I will leave this issue be.

Ditto with Grooby, albeit they have models from all over the World .... Many, many sites and models. Again I am not sure.

Stunner " manages" 100's of sites and many more affiliates.... so ditto on them.

I call these aggregators of content, which is generally user generated, and hence is the problem. The line between enforcing legit sources from those which are dodgy when you have 1000's of videos is the issue...

DMCA ing NASA is indeed funny.

My point is as follows: Website which produces and sells 100% of its own content ( incl. you) will never get DMCA'd. Such sites ( mine included) lives of the sales of its own content and only gives affiliates, tubes and the like short clips to entice potential customers. Sites which aggregate 1000's of videos and shares them with 1000's of affiliates are to me like a plague. Maybe it is a trend, where people live from clicks and add money. But to me, a real content creator, these "recyclers" of the same shit over 1000's of sites needs to disappear, and if DMCA helps it so be it.

trevesty

So many excuses for not fixing the problem.

And people wonder why the quality on GFY is abysmal...

Webster01

You know, he even doesn´t need any links...
He could accomplish a good permanent rank even without any incoming links.
That´s probably a bit too high for all you OldGen webmasters

The Porn Nerd

The problem cannot be fixed at the moment, not by me or by any webmaster or SEO expert. So I doubt you, the great traffic magician, could do any better.

Whatever, I do not rely on Google traffic that much anyway. But for those who do it is a total shit show and there is no 'fixing it'. At least not right now.

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LeRoy

The theft sites that are ignoring DMCA. I hope this affects them and they lose a ton of traffic.

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Tasty1

Bing is getting more visitors. And they have not much to lose if they switch and that way revive the search engine competition.

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trevesty

It's insane to me that you speak so dogmatically about a topic you very clearly know zero about. I cannot imagine being this dense when someone literally gave you a solution to your problem.

celandina

Just checked Google search.... Have not done it in years

When I typed in 3 or 4 of my keywords our site was always on page 1, sometimes on top of page 2...

Did that today ( using the same keywords) ....our movies ( by name) still fills page 1, but the sites listing the movies are mostly pirates, tubes and the like, but our website is nowhere to be found

also, did Google dropped everything past page 1? I do not see page 2 etc....

mopek1

It's a good thing the AI update removed your site from page 1, even though you had no AI.

Or maybe putting pirates on page 1 was part of the Helpful Content Update.

It doesn't matter, I'm sure Google is always right.

The Porn Nerd

I am doing the basic SEO suggested and it will not help while this flux is happening. I am not dense. But I look at other webmasters posting in this thread and see they are having the same issues. So why jump on me? I am not an SEO expert and I do not rely exclusively on Big G traffic.

But hey if you think you can do some magic let me know and I will hire you to give it a try.

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mopek1

I've noticed in many forums, that the people who seem to be the most judgemental and know-it-all types, never really offer practical, detailed solutions. They simply want to get mad and direct it somewhere, rather than have a discussion.

sarettah

trev knows what he is talking about.

he gave you a solution to try and you rejected it out of hand.

trev was neither know-it-all or judgemental.

if you knew trev as i know trev you would pay attention

The Porn Nerd

I never said he wasn't knowledgeable. In fact, that's why I mentioned maybe he could do something. I respect those who have experience and can teach me something. But this advice, worthy as it is, takes time:

I cannot snap my fingers and create backlinks. As for buying them I have done that in the past and it did help with rankings. But for the site in question (Swing My Wife) that is a smaller site so even if it sat on Page 1 at the top it would still be a small brand. I mentioned it as a broad example (pun intended) for what is happening with Google right now.

(Priority #1 would be a re-design of that site, which is underway as we speak.)

Anyway, Google is fucked is the whole point of this thread. LOL

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mopek1

I've been reading a lot of SEO forums lately so what I said didn't solely apply to Trev. What I think Trev was doing was ignoring data. There are big brands that no longer show up for their names being searched. Brands with millions of backlinks. Some of my sites have links built up over decades, and they were a brand before. Suddenly they are not?

Some site names are so unique they can't be mistaken for anything else, and for years "G" had them listed first in the results. Suddenly they are not ? Google thought it was a brand yesterday but now it doesn't?

I'm simply saying that it feels like he's (and others here) are too strongly defending big "G" and the thread becomes more of a dominance thing rather than a discussion where there is possibility for both parties to be right about something and also wrong about some things.

Maybe people's site's need work ... AND ... maybe Google is messing up.

The Porn Nerd

Yes this was my point as well. Others who do the hard work of daily working on their SEO, rankings etc are experiencing these bad times. So what chance does a small site/brand like mine have when I see, as you mentioned, huge sites with lots of backlinks suddenly not showing up.

So I think what you say at the end of your post may be true: both things are happening (sites need work/Google messing up).

We webmasters should learn to get along since stuff like this affects all of us, and it's porn against the world sometimes.

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trevesty

That's not really the issue I saw with Swing My Wife.

But what you described happens A LOT during a core update in my experience. It's happened to me before but it always fixed itself. I didn't have that on any of my sites in the last 5-6 updates, though.

mechanicvirus

Trev knows his stuff, and yea sure his tone might not be everyone's cup of tea, it's also that kick in the ass some people need to change for the better.

Re-read that last part again, Trev wants you to change for the better.

mopek1

It's good to hear someone getting through the last 5-6 updates unscathed. What do you think is missing from most webmasters sites who are getting hit lately, or, what do you think your key is to getting by okay?

datingmaster

swing my wife . com/join.html goes to 404. Could be part of the issue too.

The Porn Nerd

Thanks! We are re-designing that site now so some pages are in flux. Fixed for now. Thanks again.

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celandina

Not sure I get your sarcasm