Just Denied Affiliate Registration For The Show

[Robbie]

WTF????
If I'm not an affiliate, then who is?

Both myself and my wife Claudia Marie got letters from Internext/AVN saying that we didn't qualify for Affiliate Registration!!!!!

[CyberHustler]

[Robbie]

Anybody from Internext or AVN on here?

[cybermike]

I didn't even know they had an affiliate registration where is that lol..

[TheLegacy]

they should be here since gfy and avn closely watches over internext.

contact someone there

[fuzebox]

Historically they don't like it if you also have your own affiliate program or produce your own content, they want siloed affiliates who just run free sites and send 100% of their traffic to affiliate programs.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Historically they don't like it if you also have your own affiliate program or produce your own content, they want siloed affiliates who just run free sites and send 100% of their traffic to affiliate programs.

Historically I've had an affiliate registration every year to the show. Including last year, the year before, etc, etc

I'm wondering what is going on with that? Am I suddenly no longer in the business in their opinion?

[biris]

Merry Christmas!

In the past, InterNext offered free tickets to affiliates, performers, and developers. However, those tickets only granted access to InterNext, while entry to the AVN Expo required a separate $300 ticket. Since merging with AVN, a single ticket now provides access to both shows, and free tickets are only available to affiliates.

I’ve been informed that your application was submitted under Claudia Marie, which is a paysite. Τhis is why the application was declined.

For over six months, the combo ticket for InterNext and AVN was available at $275 (with a price increase just yesterday). This price is an incredible value for the opportunities and connections both shows offer.

As members of this community, it’s vital for us to support events like AVN and InterNext, which are challenging and costly to produce. Your participation helps sustain and grow these essential industry gatherings.

Thank you for understanding, we look forward to seeing you at the event.

[biris]

Originally Posted by cybermike

I didn't even know they had an affiliate registration where is that lol..

As always at the home page of our site:
https://internext-expo.com

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by biris

Merry Christmas!

In the past, InterNext offered free tickets to affiliates, performers, and developers. However, those tickets only granted access to InterNext, while entry to the AVN Expo required a separate $300 ticket. Since merging with AVN, a single ticket now provides access to both shows, and free tickets are only available to affiliates.

I’ve been informed that your application was submitted under Claudia Marie, which is a paysite. Τhis is why the application was declined.

For over six months, the combo ticket for InterNext and AVN was available at $275 (with a price increase just yesterday). This price is an incredible value for the opportunities and connections both shows offer.

As members of this community, it’s vital for us to support events like AVN and InterNext, which are challenging and costly to produce. Your participation helps sustain and grow these essential industry gatherings.

Thank you for understanding, we look forward to seeing you at the event.

Yeah, I own a paysite and 9 freesites and have been an affiliate since being an affiliate of a porn site became a thing in the 1990's.
What do I need to do?
Re-apply and not have the paysite listed???

[Pipecrew]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, I own a paysite and 9 freesites and have been an affiliate since being an affiliate of a porn site became a thing in the 1990's.
What do I need to do?
Re-apply and not have the paysite listed???

Or just buy a ticket for $350.

[Nitzer Ebb]

There is a "Cuckold Sissy" conference going on at the same time. You can definitely score free ticket there, cheap ass.

[CyberHustler]

🤣 Merry Christmas

[Dugmor]

I just registered... hopefully I won't be denied either.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by Nitzer Ebb

There is a "Cuckold Sissy" conference going on at the same time. You can definitely score free ticket there, cheap ass.

Well, at least you will know someone else there...

[Nitzer Ebb]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Well, at least you will know someone else there...

Like your mother

[trevesty]

I cannot for the life of me imagine making a fuss over $350.

[Brad Mitchell]

I would say this.. the past is very much in the past. There aren't dozens of sponsors spending hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions and there aren't hundreds of people, let alone the thousands, buying tickets. The day of the free affiliate ticket was a biproduct of a larger industry with more people and a hell of a lot more spend.

If we want events like this to succeed and re-grow from the ashes of the last half decade, then they need to sell sponsorships and passes. MojoHost has re-joined financial participation with an Internext booth this year. Do I know if I will generate sufficient new business to cover those expenses? Absolutely not. However, I know that I can't sit on the sidelines buying a badge and hoping for things to magically get better without investing the time and money to truly participate. At the end of the day, to make a great show as many of us as possible have to actually show up, have some financial participation, and meet 'n greet the next generation of producers and developers.

I hope to see everyone there, old and new. After 25 years and an industry apocalypse I realize it can only be a great show if people like me, and all of you, really get invested in making it a great show. Nobody is going to do this for us.

Brad

[ANAL PASTE]

$300 fucking dollars. What a baller!
Rent your wife out to 2 black high school graduation parties and you have it. Free business tip of the day.

[NoWhErE]

I'll chip in $100 for Robbie's pass. Anyone else want to help?

[ANAL PASTE]

In for another $100 if he lets Brassmonkey do Dirty Sanchez to his wife.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I would say this.. the past is very much in the past. There aren't dozens of sponsors spending hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions and there aren't hundreds of people, let alone the thousands, buying tickets. The day of the free affiliate ticket was a biproduct of a larger industry with more people and a hell of a lot more spend.

If we want events like this to succeed and re-grow from the ashes of the last half decade, then they need to sell sponsorships and passes. MojoHost has re-joined financial participation with an Internext booth this year. Do I know if I will generate sufficient new business to cover those expenses? Absolutely not. However, I know that I can't sit on the sidelines buying a badge and hoping for things to magically get better without investing the time and money to truly participate. At the end of the day, to make a great show as many of us as possible have to actually show up, have some financial participation, and meet 'n greet the next generation of producers and developers.

I hope to see everyone there, old and new. After 25 years and an industry apocalypse I realize it can only be a great show if people like me, and all of you, really get invested in making it a great show. Nobody is going to do this for us.

Brad

Kinda this.

Some situations not being comped would be hella disrespectful, but AVN doesn't even comp talent.

I've got a booth at this AVN.

FWIW, I used to go to AVN with a press pass and I paid for Internext. One year ages ago, after talking to some comped affiliates who pushed way fewer joins than I did, I expressed annoyance about paying and was asked if I'd want to not have my company name on there. And I was just like, okay, yeah, I've got $150 bling with this badge. (It cost less then.)

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

🤣 Merry Christmas

Scammer, bet welcher. You made a bet saying you’d leave this forum. You lost. Gtfo

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I hope to see everyone there, old and new. After 25 years and an industry apocalypse I realize it can only be a great show if people like me, and all of you, really get invested in making it a great show. Nobody is going to do this for us.

Brad

Well said Brad! - We are sponsoring the meet market at Internext and looking forward to seeing everyone there. Between Xbiz LA and Internext, we hope to see all of our long time industry friends, awesome clients (like Robbie & Claudia), and looking to meet many new NETbilling customers as well!

Mitch

[Tjeezers]

I worked for a summit company for 3.5 years, boring work. 3 months of the year they were running like a chicken without a head in the office pretending to be functional.

never seen anything useful for affiliates organized, to be honest. I came with tons of ideas; they were all... not program-friendly, meaning, where is the cash in informing people?

Most of the time we were geared to sell sponsor ships, telling those sponsors they would find new affiliates. They did not. obviously...

I've witnessed a few individuals invest large sums of money in hosting a $50,000 party with the expectation that they will reap significant rewards a week later. Nothing more but empty Skype conversations with no retention. All those are now broke or went in another direction after telling me how disappointed they were; I can't blame them.

I think shows are more for companies only to show off to each other, burn some budget, gain pics with some captains in it everywhere, and share drinks.

Unless you want to hear and see on seminairs how traffic selling companies try to show you their slide shows of their website or cam companies telling you how you can make more when you send more traffic... its the same all the time.

Maybe I am to pessimistic; I just do not see the value for affiliates unless they have something to sell to a sponsor and want some free drinks and hotel room in return.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

II think shows are more for companies only to show off to each other, burn some budget, gain pics with some captains in it everywhere, and share drinks.

Unless you want to hear and see on seminairs how traffic selling companies try to show you their slide shows of their website or cam companies telling you how you can make more when you send more traffic... its the same all the time.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

I worked for a summit company for 3.5 years, boring work. 3 months of the year they were running like a chicken without a head in the office pretending to be functional.

never seen anything useful for affiliates organized, to be honest. I came with tons of ideas; they were all... not program-friendly, meaning, where is the cash in informing people?

Most of the time we were geared to sell sponsor ships, telling those sponsors they would find new affiliates. They did not. obviously...

I've witnessed a few individuals invest large sums of money in hosting a $50,000 party with the expectation that they will reap significant rewards a week later. Nothing more but empty Skype conversations with no retention. All those are now broke or went in another direction after telling me how disappointed they were; I can't blame them.

I think shows are more for companies only to show off to each other, burn some budget, gain pics with some captains in it everywhere, and share drinks.

Unless you want to hear and see on seminairs how traffic selling companies try to show you their slide shows of their website or cam companies telling you how you can make more when you send more traffic... its the same all the time.

Maybe I am to pessimistic; I just do not see the value for affiliates unless they have something to sell to a sponsor and want some free drinks and hotel room in return.

I think there is absolutely money in informing people. What sorts of things did you suggest?

[The Porn Nerd]

Most shows these days are filled with:

CC processors
Cam companies
Dating companies
Traffic whores (I mean, brokers)
Assorted talent looking bored/confused/frustrated/drunk

Good times!

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by Major Duke

Scammer, bet welcher. You made a bet saying you’d leave this forum. You lost. Gtfo

Proof?

Or you mad you can't afford to attend a show too?

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Proof?

Or you mad you can't afford to attend a show too?

Proof: you made a bet with Mr Pheer. You lost. The terms of the bet was you and all your nics would be banished from GFY. You lost. Yet, you’re still here. Now you’re trying to weasel your way back in. You stole from every honorable webmaster who’s ever made a bet, lost, and paid. That is the consequence of your actions. You are a POS scammer. That’s that.

[MaDalton]

I have not once not paid for a ticket and as a content producer, I was neither one of the rich people throwing around champagne (like those who made bank from stealing my content), nor did I ever benefit from everyone try to crawl up my ass to get my traffic.

Barely any invites to dinners, parties, no cash put in my hands to go gamble or buy hookers.

And still I paid for my tickets. Plus travel from Europe.

Stupid me.

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I think there is absolutely money in informing people. What sorts of things did you suggest?

1: How to make traffic without buying it
2: How to check if a sponsor is long-term and honest
3: How to make a blog post and score better than the program you are selling
4: What is linkspun and how to use it?
5: How to check if your webmaster partners are not out to screw you behind your back
6: How to make a w/b label and make it work for you
7: How to use analtics and how to read Ahrefs to become informed

etc etc ...

Ya know, the stuff that frightens the sponsor programs who consider you as traffic tools and do not want you to outperform them.

Yeah, I spend hours, days, and long nights to impress those who paid my salaries. I got the "no one is paying for that shit" replies.

I lost countless so-called friends by being honest, so I am not really surprised that affiliates are the one and only people being battled by their biggest paying sponsors.

Anyway, hoping to have answered your question.

[Mindi]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Proof?

Or you mad you can't afford to attend a show too?

Asshole.

[ANAL PASTE]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Proof?

Or you mad you can't afford to attend a show too?

Pillsbury boy is scared to find out that internet has different rules than the real life. He isn't likely to run his mouth about "falcons" with Columbian boys who run webcam market for people who aren't allowed to enter US of A.

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Proof?

Or you mad you can't afford to attend a show too?

seriously?

You are just being mean right now. Attending a show is not that difficult; it even gets better when you have an ounce of snif to give away and become the hero of the toilet area.

Any sucker can attend a show, but if a show did what it promised, any fool with decent work ethic would be a millionaire.

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by ANAL PASTE

Pillsbury boy is scared to find out that internet has different rules than the real life. He isn't likely to run his mouth about "falcons" with Columbian boys who run webcam market for people who aren't allowed to enter US of A.

oh yeah... thats a burn.

Cartagena (lalexpo) was... an experience. Affiliates would be taken for a ride, deep into the jungle, just to be hailed as heroes.

[Dugmor]

Originally Posted by Dugmor

I just registered... hopefully I won't be denied either.

It's official:

Thank you for your recent application to attend InterNext 2025. After carefully reviewing all criteria, unfortunately, we are not able to approve your request for an affiliate Registration.

If you feel that your application warrants additional review contact us directly at [email protected]. Please be prepared to submit additional documentation and/or information for review.

Thank You,

InterNext Team

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Dugmor

It's official:

WTF??? I guess they are not wanting affiliates to attend?

[Dugmor]

Originally Posted by Robbie

WTF??? I guess they are not wanting affiliates to attend?

Yeah, it is crazy since most of the big OFM agencies are benefiting my traffic.

I spoke to a few people who will just go to do business at the round bar. They are not interested in attending any of the seminars or looking at tables.

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Dugmor

It's official:

Originally Posted by Robbie

WTF??? I guess they are not wanting affiliates to attend?

Guys, I love you both, and you know it! But let's be honest, you're both business owners stretching the definition on "affiliate" and giving it a higher weight than the fullness of what you actually are in order to justify getting a free badge under norms that were acceptable 18 years ago. By your desired definition, everyone that is receiving affiliate checks should qualify for an affiliate badge... and that would be everyone, wouldn't it? It would, because everyone is getting affiliate checks.

The whole idea of a free affiliate badge is outdated, I think. Even offering a free affiliate badge is clinging on to the past because the numbers have changed. This was relevant when there were hundreds of programs spending millions in sponsorship and thousands of affiliates that those sponsors wanted to meet - but that was 2005.

They just shouldn't do it anymore in my opinion because it results in the general unhappiness I'm seeing in this thread. When really, everyone needs some skin in the game, no different than every other kind of business conference, to take their event expectations and contributions more seriously.

Don't shoot me. Drinks are on me

Brad

[Brad Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Dugmor

Yeah, it is crazy since most of the big OFM agencies are benefiting my traffic.

I spoke to a few people who will just go to do business at the round bar. They are not interested in attending any of the seminars or looking at tables.

And that sir is just people who want a free ride. They'll be bitching about things when they're at the bar and probably not paying for their drinks there, either.

Brad

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Guys, I love you both, and you know it! But let's be honest, you're both business owners stretching the definition on "affiliate" and giving it a higher weight than the fullness of what you actually are in order to justify getting a free badge under norms that were acceptable 18 years ago. By your desired definition, everyone that is receiving affiliate checks should qualify for an affiliate badge... and that would be everyone, wouldn't it? It would, because everyone is getting affiliate checks.

The whole idea of a free affiliate badge is outdated, I think. Even offering a free affiliate badge is clinging on to the past because the numbers have changed. This was relevant when there were hundreds of programs spending millions in sponsorship and thousands of affiliates that those sponsors wanted to meet - but that was 2005.

They just shouldn't do it anymore in my opinion because it results in the general unhappiness I'm seeing in this thread. When really, everyone needs some skin in the game, no different than every other kind of business conference, to take their event expectations and contributions more seriously.

Full agreement. It's an outdated concept. Affiliates don't drive the business and haven't for over a decade. The amount of "affiliates" I've heard complain about this who also happen to operate their own affilate program with affiliates of their own...

They should charge everyone the same fee to attend, if they aren't selling enough badges then maybe they should lower prices or provide more value?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Full agreement. It's an outdated concept. Affiliates don't drive the business and haven't for over a decade. The amount of "affiliates" I've heard complain about this who also happen to operate their own affilate program with affiliates of their own...

They should charge everyone the same fee to attend, if they aren't selling enough badges then maybe they should lower prices or provide more value?

By the way...we left our affiliate program 6 years ago. So I no longer am part of that.

My paysite runs off of my own social media promoting.

As for being an affiliate...yeah, there ain't nothing left there anymore.

But I still update 10 different free sites by hand and put in my work as an affiliate every day. Also use our social media platforms to promote as an affiliate.

I am as authentic an affiliate as there has ever been.

And yeah...the price is way too high for the value provided.
Hell, last year the entire AVN show was in a fucking perma-tent attached to the side of Resorts World and was about 1/4 the size of the 2001 Internext show.

And the Internext "show" itself was a small partitioned off "room" in the tent with a few couches in it.

Hopefully it's on the rebound this year since they will have the old "The Joint" space again at The Virgin (formerly the Hard Rock).
But no...I guess we won't be going. There's no way that 2 tickets costing a total of $700 is worth that.

[NoWhErE]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

1: How to make traffic without buying it
2: How to check if a sponsor is long-term and honest
3: How to make a blog post and score better than the program you are selling
4: What is linkspun and how to use it?
5: How to check if your webmaster partners are not out to screw you behind your back
6: How to make a w/b label and make it work for you
7: How to use analtics and how to read Ahrefs to become informed

etc etc ...

Ya know, the stuff that frightens the sponsor programs who consider you as traffic tools and do not want you to outperform them.

Yeah, I spend hours, days, and long nights to impress those who paid my salaries. I got the "no one is paying for that shit" replies.

I lost countless so-called friends by being honest, so I am not really surprised that affiliates are the one and only people being battled by their biggest paying sponsors.

Anyway, hoping to have answered your question.

What I’m about to say is not a personal attack on you, please keep that in mind. I’m just sharing my experience from attending shows over the past 2 decades.

The topics you listed are for beginners. Any affiliate that can send decent traffic should already know these things as they are very basic skills.

Having said that, I’d like to point out that shows are meant to be networking events between service providers (programs, billers, hosts) and people who can send them sales.

The people financing these shows (service providers) have no interest in dealing with Joe Schmo whom is still learning the basics. They want to meet the people that can actually drive significant amounts of sales.

So if you start catering to newbies, you lose the people who are paying big money to attend. The show organizers business model would fall appart.

Now, having said that, let’s also acknowledge that times have changed. The lion’s share of traffic has been consolidated between a few dozen companies and the odd one-man-army.

Its hard for businesses to justify buying big packages while show organizers are dealing with shrinking profit margins.

Do I have the answer to their problems? No. But I definitely know that encouraging the growth of everybody’s business is the way forward, even if that means paying for tickets that used to be free

[Dugmor]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Guys, I love you both, and you know it! But let's be honest, you're both business owners stretching the definition on "affiliate" and giving it a higher weight than the fullness of what you actually are in order to justify getting a free badge under norms that were acceptable 18 years ago. By your desired definition, everyone that is receiving affiliate checks should qualify for an affiliate badge... and that would be everyone, wouldn't it? It would, because everyone is getting affiliate checks.

The whole idea of a free affiliate badge is outdated, I think. Even offering a free affiliate badge is clinging on to the past because the numbers have changed. This was relevant when there were hundreds of programs spending millions in sponsorship and thousands of affiliates that those sponsors wanted to meet - but that was 2005.

They just shouldn't do it anymore in my opinion because it results in the general unhappiness I'm seeing in this thread. When really, everyone needs some skin in the game, no different than every other kind of business conference, to take their event expectations and contributions more seriously.

Don't shoot me. Drinks are on me

Brad

I sold my paysite affiliate program over 20 years ago to DeeCash. So I am not a program owner anymore.

All I do is work on traffic, so maybe they should rename it to a "Traffic" badge if they want to attract the traffic suppliers.

TES gives me an "affilate" badge without a problem. I already booked my flights and hotel for TES Seville.

[Major (Tom)]

I’m an affiliate, too, but never considered myself one.

[Dugmor]

Originally Posted by Robbie

By the way...we left our affiliate program 6 years ago. So I no longer am part of that.

My paysite runs off of my own social media promoting.

As for being an affiliate...yeah, there ain't nothing left there anymore.

But I still update 10 different free sites by hand and put in my work as an affiliate every day. Also use our social media platforms to promote as an affiliate.

I am as authentic an affiliate as there has ever been.

And yeah...the price is way too high for the value provided.
Hell, last year the entire AVN show was in a fucking perma-tent attached to the side of Resorts World and was about 1/4 the size of the 2001 Internext show.

And the Internext "show" itself was a small partitioned off "room" in the tent with a few couches in it.

Hopefully it's on the rebound this year since they will have the old "The Joint" space again at The Virgin (formerly the Hard Rock).
But no...I guess we won't be going. There's no way that 2 tickets costing a total of $700 is worth that.

Will you be at the round bar?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Dugmor

Will you be at the round bar?

The "Round bar" near the registration desk in the older part of the casino that was so cool at The Hard Rock doesn't exist anymore at The Virgin.

For some reason...they decided to change everything. There is a main bar on that side still...but it's a different vibe now and sort of off to the side.

I think the big bar in the very back by the doors to the parking lot on Harmon is still there.
And yeah, I'll probably drive over and look around to see if I see anyone during the Internext show.

Last two days of the AVN show I went ahead and got a room there so we can just have some fun without having to drive drunk back to the house. lol

[Dugmor]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The "Round bar" near the registration desk in the older part of the casino that was so cool at The Hard Rock doesn't exist anymore at The Virgin.

For some reason...they decided to change everything. There is a main bar on that side still...but it's a different vibe now and sort of off to the side.

I think the big bar in the very back by the doors to the parking lot on Harmon is still there.
And yeah, I'll probably drive over and look around to see if I see anyone during the Internext show.

Last two days of the AVN show I went ahead and got a room there so we can just have some fun without having to drive drunk back to the house. lol

I thought everyone just called it "The Round Bar" ... doesn't have to be a circle. I thought at Internext no matter where it is held they call the meeting place "The Round Bar".

It may have been started by calling it "The Round Bar" at the Venetian. But a few years ago at the World Resort everyone met at the center bar but it was oval.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Dugmor

I thought everyone just called it "The Round Bar" ... doesn't have to be a circle. I thought at Internext no matter where it is held they call the meeting place "The Round Bar".

It may have been started by calling it "The Round Bar" at the Venetian. But a few years ago at the World Resort everyone met at the center bar but it was oval.

Yeah...back in "the day" the Casino Resorts all had that one big round bar that was the hub.

But they've stopped that in recent years. Don't know why. I think it's because the Casino's have all changed their strategy from the bars being loss leaders for the gambling into requiring all the casino bars to show a profit.


But anyway...you'll see. It's a different vibe. In my opinion not as conducive to networking as it used to be.