Business Got two questions related The UK age verification shitshow

[AtlantisCash]

Let's say all models on porn sites show up dressed in regular street clothes, like you’d see anywhere, but the nudity’s locked behind a members-only area with credit card payment. Is this kind of site still getting hit by this freaking law,?

On the other hand, is your sales getting screwed over by this?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Let's say all models on porn sites show up dressed in regular street clothes, like you’d see anywhere, but the nudity’s locked behind a members-only area with credit card payment. Is this kind of site still getting hit by this freaking law,?

On the other hand, is your sales getting screwed over by this?

if correct, anything SFW, you don´t need AVS, so...

your tour wouldn´t need it, the AVS would still be needed either before or after payment to the locked area, before payment is best, so it´s seen before payment

[cerulean]

You should speak to a lawyer about the first question. Only your lawyer can tell you what the risk actually is. Anyone telling you something definitive here, unless they're giving you legal advice, is not going to actually know what the government will do.

As for your second question, there have been a few people who have posted on this forum saying that safe-for-working their tours actually increased sales. I don't doubt this, because the "tease" is exactly what people are using Instagram and TikTok for adult content are interested in. That's a whole untapped market of people who are predisposed to want to be teased rather than see everything explicit from the start. I'm recommending my clients consider this from a marketing perspective.

[Publisher Bucks]

Originally Posted by cerulean

not going to actually know what the government will do.

Similarily, anyone giving you legal advice, unless they are part of said government, will also not know what the government will do

The most they will give is their 'best educated *guess*'.

[fuzebox]

Originally Posted by cerulean

You should speak to a lawyer about the first question. Only your lawyer can tell you what the risk actually is. Anyone telling you something definitive here, unless they're giving you legal advice, is not going to actually know what the government will do.

Read this before reading anyone else's reply! GFY is the blind leading the blind.

My understanding as one of the blind though is that the "intent" of the site is what makes it adult, not the SFW or blurred images.

That being said I see big paysites running SFW tours and verifying age after the credit card join.

[mainstreammix]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

if correct, anything SFW, you don´t need AVS, so...

your tour wouldn´t need it, the AVS would still be needed either before or after payment to the locked area, before payment is best, so it´s seen before payment

Who is telling you these things?

Under the UK's Online Safety Act 2023, which includes age verification (AV) requirements for pornographic content, even just linking to a porn site can potentially fall under regulation—depending on context and how it's done.

Here’s what matters:

🔹 If You're Linking with Text Only
Is the link on a site/platform you control?

If yes, and the main purpose of the page or site is to publish, promote, or profit from pornographic content, it could fall within scope.

If the site is not primarily pornographic, but the link clearly directs users to a porn site (especially without a warning or age gate), that may still be risky.

[mainstreammix]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Read this before reading anyone else's reply! GFY is the blind leading the blind.

My understanding as one of the blind though is that the "intent" of the site is what makes it adult, not the SFW or blurred images.

That being said I see big paysites running SFW tours and verifying age after the credit card join.

I'm a little under the weather so I replied before reading your post. Yes, I've seen nothing suggesting an SFW tour would help a single damn thing.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

Read this before reading anyone else's reply! GFY is the blind leading the blind.

My understanding as one of the blind though is that the "intent" of the site is what makes it adult, not the SFW or blurred images.

That being said I see big paysites running SFW tours and verifying age after the credit card join.

Ah cool never thought of this method although i was just thinking to use dressed up models instead. Hope this won't scares off user searches. Indeed a stupid thing to deal with.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by mainstreammix

Who is telling you these things?

you have a bitch for me, don´t you

I´m following the platforms I´m on and so when I read, hear and see sfw tours ok without AVS, I can suggest that this should be ok...

not saying take my word for it but it should be ok and then, like i recommended, definitely avs before the join...

ok?

fuck me side ways

Originally Posted by mainstreammix

I'm a little under the weather so I replied before reading your post. Yes, I've seen nothing suggesting an SFW tour would help a single damn thing.

if under the weather, stop using AI to answer all these posts & get the fuck off my case as the SFW tour would be ok and will be ok to show without an AVS, but the AVS does still have to be accepted before the join or after, to see the hardcore shit, ok?

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Ah cool never thought of this method although i was just thinking to use dressed up models instead. Hope this won't scares off user searches. Indeed a stupid thing to deal with.

don´t do this...

avs before the credit card join is much more moral

[mainstreammix]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

you have a bitch for me, don´t you


if under the weather, stop using AI to answer all these posts & get the fuck off my case as the SFW tour would be ok and will be ok to show without an AVS, but the AVS does still have to be accepted before the join or after, to see the hardcore shit, ok?

Stop talking out of your whole ass and there's nothing to say. You are going to get someone in deep shit with this nonsense, you're just plainly wrong.

And AI summarizes shit I've already looked into without me wasting 20 minutes finding specific info for someone that isn't going to listen anyhow. Your SFW tour is NOT going to make you compliant in the UK and many US states so stop wishful thinking your way into bs.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

you have a bitch for me, don´t you

I´m following the platforms I´m on and so when I read, hear and see sfw tours ok without AVS, I can suggest that this should be ok...

not saying take my word for it but it should be ok and then, like i recommended, definitely avs before the join...

ok?

fuck me side ways



if under the weather, stop using AI to answer all these posts & get the fuck off my case as the SFW tour would be ok and will be ok to show without an AVS, but the AVS does still have to be accepted before the join or after, to see the hardcore shit, ok?





don´t do this...

avs before the credit card join is much more moral

Yea I meant if this thing might make Google searches lesser from now on.

[pornlaw]

No one knows how all of this will play out until some sites are sued/prosecuted, then those cases are appealed and decision on appeal is published... and with over 20+ states and other countries requiring AVS, there will be no 1 universal answer to any of this.

Right now we have a hodge-podge of laws that need to reviewed and challenged with an appeals court issuing a decision for anyone to know anything with any specificity. That will only happen when these laws are actually prosecuted.

So anyone saying they know anything whether they are an owner of a platform, a program, a tubesite, a poster on GFY or even and adult industry lawyer, are just giving you an educated guess that may or may not be correct.

[Tubevideditor]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

No one knows how all of this will play out until some sites are sued/prosecuted, then those cases are appealed and decision on appeal is published... and with over 20+ states and other countries requiring AVS, there will be no 1 universal answer to any of this.

Right now we have a hodge-podge of laws that need to reviewed and challenged with an appeals court issuing a decision for anyone to know anything with any specificity. That will only happen when these laws are actually prosecuted.

So anyone saying they know anything whether they are an owner of a platform, a program, a tubesite, a poster on GFY or even and adult industry lawyer, are just giving you an educated guess that may or may not be correct.

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At least in the UK, I don't think there are any lawyers in the UK who would know what to advise as OFCOM (probably on purpose) have the left the guidance so open to interpretation and as pornlaw says, until there are more and more cases, only then will get a clearer picture of exactly what is alllowed and what isn't.

[Webster01]

Not about the UK, but upcoming plans in EU countries:


Anyone who watches porn should be constantly verified


Although the EU guidelines name the central concerns, they do not draw any conclusive conclusions from them.
Elsewhere, the guidelines even recommend a particularly intensive use of age checks.
In a newly added paragraph, it says: Online platforms for adults should not allow account sharing and therefore carry out age verification every time they are accessed.
Operators of sites in particular are likely to read this with horror.
For years, the world's largest sites have been resisting stricter age controls, including in court.
They could wish for nothing less than a duty to check the age of their visitors over and over again.
On every visit.


At the same time, the champagne corks are likely to pop at commercial providers of age checks.
As a rule, they pocket cents per inspection carried out. And sites are among the most visited websites in the world. So sales in the billions beckon.

Examination in 12 months

However, nothing has been conclusively clarified, because the guidelines also provide platforms with arguments against age controls.
For example, because existing methods of age control can be easily circumvented – and would therefore no longer pass as "appropriate and proportionate".
Providers could refer to this passage if they wanted to justify why they did not introduce stricter methods.


The EU Commission is apparently aware that the final guidelines now presented cannot be the last word.
A review is already planned. The draft still said that this examination would take place as soon as it was necessary.
In the meantime, this reads less vaguely: In 12 months at the latest, the Commission wants to take another look at the guidelines.
By then, there should be at least some experience with the age control app planned by the EU.
Adult EU users are supposed to use this app to generate proof to overcome age barriers.
After the Commission first presented the specifications of the app, the code for the prototype is now also online.
According to the EU Commission, five EU states are already testing the app: France, Spain, Italy, Greece and Denmark.

The guidelines do not directly refer to services with more than 45 million monthly EU users, as the DSA provides for even more obligations for these so-called "very large platforms" (VLOPs).
According to this, they must, for example, assess and mitigate systemic risks – not only for minors – and grant supervisory authorities access to internal data.


https://netzpolitik.org/2025/jugends...terskontrollen

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

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At least in the UK, I don't think there are any lawyers in the UK who would know what to advise as OFCOM (probably on purpose) have the left the guidance so open to interpretation and as pornlaw says, until there are more and more cases, only then will get a clearer picture of exactly what is alllowed and what isn't.

Thank you.

If you are going to seek advice about OFCOM I would recommend Myles Jackman. He's the one well known adult industry / obscenity lawyer in the UK that I know of...

https://x.com/mylesjackman?lang=en

[Retiree]

Here is a list of things that are great about the UK these days:

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[AtlantisCash]

What can they do to the site owners or webmasters in the UK is another question, probably nothing more than blocking the site. Although this is shameful enough for a country, no matter where it's located on Earth.++

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by mainstreammix

Your SFW tour is NOT going to make you compliant in the UK and many US states so stop wishful thinking your way into bs.

A SFW tour is compliant without need to AVS, hence why huge companies & websites, British escort sites & sites like "adultwork", are asking for all profiles to be SFW compliant, so they can show the site open & if the surfer wants to see more, then they have to have an age verified profile...

where I get my information : https://help.adultwork.com/hc/en-us/...SFW-Guidelines

now... please, get the fuck off my case, or banned if you want