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SEGuru · 06-14-2003, 10:20 AM

Hey Guys,

I'm posting this as a case study at my site, but thought since its been a hotbed of conversation here...that I'd post some initial results.

Being that SEGuru.Net was a relatively newly registered domain, I was searching my expired lists for domains that would be relevant to webmasters.

In my Google list of expired domains, I found this domain:
FREE-WEBMASTER-RESOURCES.COM

You can WHOIS this to see when I acquired it. I picked it up at the beginning of May.

Now here's the wierd thing...all I did was put a redirect on it to SEGuru.Net. I used a server redirect at that.

Googlebot was all over it.

Now, please note...when I bought the domain...I concerned myself only with the fact that the expired domain was still listed/indexed at Google and that Google still had indexed backlinks for the domain.

THERE WAS NO PAGERANK FOR THE DOMAIN AT ALL WHEN I ACQUIRED IT.

Now, you can see where we are on the calender...here's how Google has treated it thus far:

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...xpired+domains

That is page 1 of the results for the term expired domains. I noticed some light traffic from FREE-WEBMASTER-RESOURCES.COM, and turns out...Google crawled the server redirect with no issues.

Not only did it crawl it, but it attributed the redirect URL's primary keywords to the expired domains new content value and placed it on page 4 out of the gate with no tweaking.

Now, why am I sharing this? To prove that placement can be short-cut, and imagine if this had been done with a domain that had existing PR?

I'll ask Marc P that question with his PR7! lol Ya bitch!

fnet · 06-14-2003, 10:31 AM

I realize, as you say, that this is a case study, but I would expect at least one malicious spam report today (no, not from me). GFY welcome wagon.

SEGuru · 06-14-2003, 10:39 AM

Totally not spamming d00d. Just using my own tests to help other webmasters.

I used to post Case Studies back when I had SearchEngineMatrix live.

So again, willing to post my findings and results but it does reflect my own efforts for my own site.

fnet · 06-14-2003, 10:55 AM

Ech, not what I meant.

chowda · 06-14-2003, 11:22 AM

Hey SEGuru, a slight change of topic, what do u think of the waiting list period proposed by ICANN?

SEGuru · 06-14-2003, 11:47 AM

Well, it has numerous repercussions.

For good or ill, it will for sure give domain owners extra time to re-register their domain.

I mean think about it. When you have domains expiring, how many dirt world letters are you getting telling you to renew your domains with their registrar.

People get fair warning and now an added 30 days is just that much more time to be sure that if a webmaster does NOT renew their domain...that they do not want it or they are done. Whatever...but it does not change that we can still see and acquire these domains upon expiry. We just have to wait a little longer now.

amph · 06-14-2003, 11:53 AM

SEGuru would ya hit me up on ICQ pls, i have a few questions concerning this matter

Thnx

jojojo · 06-14-2003, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Now, why am I sharing this? To prove that placement can be short-cut, and imagine if this had been done with a domain that had existing PR?

Imagine if it was 3 weeks from now and google had it's new filter inplace to penalize people who register expired domains with PR etc?

AdultNex · 06-14-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jojojo

Imagine if it was 3 weeks from now and google had it's new filter inplace to penalize people who register expired domains with PR etc?

I was afraid of this happening, and there have been rumors spread that Google will set a new filter up-- But it has not been confirmed.

In the Google guidelines, it reads:

Quote:

Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.

These quality guidelines cover the most common forms of deceptive or manipulative behavior, but Google may respond negatively to other misleading practices not listed here, (e.g. tricking users by registering misspellings of well-known web sites). It's not safe to assume that just because a specific deceptive technique isn't included on this page, Google approves of it.

So... Just beware of any penalties if you're caught using a redirect.

XYCash · 06-14-2003, 01:00 PM

Hey guru,

I actually subscribe to your service and it paid off the first day :-) Found a hot little domain name which we are turning into a pay site down the road. Definitely an awesome service, just wish you'd stop telling everyone about it

-joe

chowda · 06-14-2003, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SEGuru
Well, it has numerous repercussions.

For good or ill, it will for sure give domain owners extra time to re-register their domain.

I mean think about it. When you have domains expiring, how many dirt world letters are you getting telling you to renew your domains with their registrar.

People get fair warning and now an added 30 days is just that much more time to be sure that if a webmaster does NOT renew their domain...that they do not want it or they are done. Whatever...but it does not change that we can still see and acquire these domains upon expiry. We just have to wait a little longer now.

Ok... hmm, i must have phrased it wrong. I didnt mean the redemption grace period in place now... im talking about the one ICANN whats to put in place.. the WLS. its been a hot topic b4 on domainstate. Its like a snap but its an official snap.. meaning that its no longer in the free market. The first person who bought a spot on the WLS will be the person who gets it.

SEGuru · 06-14-2003, 01:49 PM

Thanks XYCash...but itsn't that the goal? Help webmasters make money? lol

Anyway, Chowda...I'll be honest...I haven't seen that yet! Will check it out.

For you guys who are still thinking that Google is going to filter something it can't see...be my guest.

If you get the domains before Google dances and sees its expired...you are golden.

As to the redirect being indexed...I find that extremely interesting. My intent is not to leave a redirect there, but to place a unique site on the domain and re-optimize it and see what happens to the domain in the index.

Brujah · 06-14-2003, 01:52 PM

What makes you think it wasn't related to all that Referrer spamming you were doing with similiar keyword phrase ?

SEGuru · 06-14-2003, 01:56 PM

Zero promotion of any kind for FREE-WEBMASTER-RESOURCES.COM

Nothing, nada, zilch

jojojo · 06-14-2003, 02:20 PM

Quote:

If you get the domains before Google dances and sees its expired...you are golden.

You mean before deepbot visits again? There is no more depbot or 'dance' so to speak...

freshbot now does the work of deebot and the continous rolling update is going to implemented very soon.

nuclei · 06-14-2003, 02:45 PM

jojojo: dont always believe everything you hear.

06-14-2003, 04:01 PM

Seguru do you have ICQ ??

SEGuru · 06-14-2003, 05:08 PM

You can catch me on ICQ at: 28495329

Bout to run out and see Bill Mahr, he's playing the Boulder Theater tonite.

AOLGuy · 06-14-2003, 05:21 PM

SEGuru,

I signed up for your site when it launched.

Since then, I've found a few flaws with the site:

How come we still can't download a list of Expired Domains that expired that day? The list offered for download is cumulative, and that does no good for running it through a service like Drop Pal.

Also, the downloadable lists for Yahoo! and DMOZ still come up empty.

The "Today's Snapshot" link finally works, but it takes you to a cumulative listing of expired domains, and not only domains that expired that day--it's set up just like deleteddomains.com, but their list shows you the expired domains of that day, and it's free!

This isn't a flame, but for the decent-priced monthly membership charge, I would expect to see a list of expired domains of each day, with seperate daily lists with better info than provided by Deleted Domains and Drop Pal.

It would also be great if you could view a daily list of the quality domains, complete with Page Rank.

I still spend each morning cutting and pasting through Deleted Domains, running them through Drop Pal, and manually checking pageranks of the ones it filters out.

Damn, I may just have to start my own monthly-fee site offering just that... LOL.

Brujah · 06-14-2003, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AKFK
SEGuru,

I signed up for your site when it launched.

Since then, I've found a few flaws with the site:

How come we still can't download a list of Expired Domains that expired that day? The list offered for download is cumulative, and that does no good for running it through a service like Drop Pal.

Also, the downloadable lists for Yahoo! and DMOZ still come up empty.

The "Today's Snapshot" link finally works, but it takes you to a cumulative listing of expired domains, and not only domains that expired that day--it's set up just like deleteddomains.com, but their list shows you the expired domains of that day, and it's free!

This isn't a flame, but for the decent-priced monthly membership charge, I would expect to see a list of expired domains of each day, with seperate daily lists with better info than provided by Deleted Domains and Drop Pal.

It would also be great if you could view a daily list of the quality domains, complete with Page Rank.

I still spend each morning cutting and pasting through Deleted Domains, running them through Drop Pal, and manually checking pageranks of the ones it filters out.

Damn, I may just have to start my own monthly-fee site offering just that... LOL.

AKFK ? Do you have ICQ ? If so, message me at 3431124 ? I'd like to give you a complimentary subscription for a month if you would give me a review of my system so I know where to improve it when I get motivated to add more.

AOLGuy · 06-15-2003, 02:10 PM

sending an ICQ now...

oh, and SEGuru - why no Sunday update? Deleted Domains is new today, and dude, that's free...

06-14-2003, 10:20 AM	#1
SEGuru Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale...on the Intracoastal! Posts: 1,005	A Google Expired Domain... Hey Guys, I'm posting this as a case study at my site, but thought since its been a hotbed of conversation here...that I'd post some initial results. Being that SEGuru.Net was a relatively newly registered domain, I was searching my expired lists for domains that would be relevant to webmasters. In my Google list of expired domains, I found this domain: FREE-WEBMASTER-RESOURCES.COM You can WHOIS this to see when I acquired it. I picked it up at the beginning of May. Now here's the wierd thing...all I did was put a redirect on it to SEGuru.Net. I used a server redirect at that. Googlebot was all over it. Now, please note...when I bought the domain...I concerned myself only with the fact that the expired domain was still listed/indexed at Google and that Google still had indexed backlinks for the domain. THERE WAS NO PAGERANK FOR THE DOMAIN AT ALL WHEN I ACQUIRED IT. Now, you can see where we are on the calender...here's how Google has treated it thus far: http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...xpired+domains That is page 1 of the results for the term expired domains. I noticed some light traffic from FREE-WEBMASTER-RESOURCES.COM, and turns out...Google crawled the server redirect with no issues. Not only did it crawl it, but it attributed the redirect URL's primary keywords to the expired domains new content value and placed it on page 4 out of the gate with no tweaking. Now, why am I sharing this? To prove that placement can be short-cut, and imagine if this had been done with a domain that had existing PR? I'll ask Marc P that question with his PR7! lol Ya bitch! __________________ AffConEvents.Com \| Tune in Live & Listen to Internet Radio for Webmasters Buy Cheap Text Links

06-14-2003, 10:39 AM	#3
SEGuru Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale...on the Intracoastal! Posts: 1,005	Totally not spamming d00d. Just using my own tests to help other webmasters. I used to post Case Studies back when I had SearchEngineMatrix live. So again, willing to post my findings and results but it does reflect my own efforts for my own site. __________________ AffConEvents.Com \| Tune in Live & Listen to Internet Radio for Webmasters Buy Cheap Text Links

06-14-2003, 11:22 AM	#5
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	Hey SEGuru, a slight change of topic, what do u think of the waiting list period proposed by ICANN? __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

06-14-2003, 11:47 AM	#6
SEGuru Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale...on the Intracoastal! Posts: 1,005	Well, it has numerous repercussions. For good or ill, it will for sure give domain owners extra time to re-register their domain. I mean think about it. When you have domains expiring, how many dirt world letters are you getting telling you to renew your domains with their registrar. People get fair warning and now an added 30 days is just that much more time to be sure that if a webmaster does NOT renew their domain...that they do not want it or they are done. Whatever...but it does not change that we can still see and acquire these domains upon expiry. We just have to wait a little longer now. __________________ AffConEvents.Com \| Tune in Live & Listen to Internet Radio for Webmasters Buy Cheap Text Links

06-14-2003, 11:53 AM	#7
amph Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: LaLaLand Posts: 1,245	SEGuru would ya hit me up on ICQ pls, i have a few questions concerning this matter Thnx __________________ MEATCASH PWNZ THE INTERWEB ____________ ICQ:30768214 ~~~~~~~~~

06-14-2003, 10:31 AM	#2
fnet Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	I realize, as you say, that this is a case study, but I would expect at least one malicious spam report today (no, not from me). GFY welcome wagon.

06-14-2003, 10:55 AM	#4
fnet Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Ech, not what I meant.

06-14-2003, 01:00 PM	#10
XYCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: here and there Posts: 582	Hey guru, I actually subscribe to your service and it paid off the first day :-) Found a hot little domain name which we are turning into a pay site down the road. Definitely an awesome service, just wish you'd stop telling everyone about it -joe __________________ XYCash Gay Affiliate Programs - Making Money For Webmasters Since 1999 - click here to sign up

06-14-2003, 01:49 PM	#12
SEGuru Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale...on the Intracoastal! Posts: 1,005	Thanks XYCash...but itsn't that the goal? Help webmasters make money? lol Anyway, Chowda...I'll be honest...I haven't seen that yet! Will check it out. For you guys who are still thinking that Google is going to filter something it can't see...be my guest. If you get the domains before Google dances and sees its expired...you are golden. As to the redirect being indexed...I find that extremely interesting. My intent is not to leave a redirect there, but to place a unique site on the domain and re-optimize it and see what happens to the domain in the index. __________________ AffConEvents.Com \| Tune in Live & Listen to Internet Radio for Webmasters Buy Cheap Text Links

06-14-2003, 01:52 PM	#13
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	What makes you think it wasn't related to all that Referrer spamming you were doing with similiar keyword phrase ? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

06-14-2003, 01:56 PM	#14
SEGuru Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale...on the Intracoastal! Posts: 1,005	Zero promotion of any kind for FREE-WEBMASTER-RESOURCES.COM Nothing, nada, zilch __________________ AffConEvents.Com \| Tune in Live & Listen to Internet Radio for Webmasters Buy Cheap Text Links

06-14-2003, 02:45 PM	#16
nuclei old school fart Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,015	jojojo: dont always believe everything you hear. __________________ The next generation of SEO

06-14-2003, 04:01 PM	#17
Angelonfire Guest Posts: n/a	Seguru do you have ICQ ?? Last edited by Angelonfire; 06-14-2003 at 04:04 PM..

06-14-2003, 05:08 PM	#18
SEGuru Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale...on the Intracoastal! Posts: 1,005	You can catch me on ICQ at: 28495329 Bout to run out and see Bill Mahr, he's playing the Boulder Theater tonite. __________________ AffConEvents.Com \| Tune in Live & Listen to Internet Radio for Webmasters Buy Cheap Text Links

06-14-2003, 05:21 PM	#19
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	SEGuru, I signed up for your site when it launched. Since then, I've found a few flaws with the site: How come we still can't download a list of Expired Domains that expired that day? The list offered for download is cumulative, and that does no good for running it through a service like Drop Pal. Also, the downloadable lists for Yahoo! and DMOZ still come up empty. The "Today's Snapshot" link finally works, but it takes you to a cumulative listing of expired domains, and not only domains that expired that day--it's set up just like deleteddomains.com, but their list shows you the expired domains of that day, and it's free! This isn't a flame, but for the decent-priced monthly membership charge, I would expect to see a list of expired domains of each day, with seperate daily lists with better info than provided by Deleted Domains and Drop Pal. It would also be great if you could view a daily list of the quality domains, complete with Page Rank. I still spend each morning cutting and pasting through Deleted Domains, running them through Drop Pal, and manually checking pageranks of the ones it filters out. Damn, I may just have to start my own monthly-fee site offering just that... LOL.

06-15-2003, 02:10 PM	#21
AOLGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,261	sending an ICQ now... oh, and SEGuru - why no Sunday update? Deleted Domains is new today, and dude, that's free...