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ElvisManson · 06-18-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by assistant27

no its one of python companies I would say.

Um...no it isn't.

Pornkings · 06-18-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Pornkings
Yea crazy imagine how much of that traffic goes thru the industry

Traffic only originates from a few places. if that goes away
type-in or SE might pick up but who knows.

Alot of surfers might never check out adult without it.

then again our Double opt-in lists might perform alot better

Either way it will be interesting to see what happens

JohnIP · 06-18-2003, 02:07 PM

Maybe Evan should send them a C and D;)

JosephS · 06-25-2003, 11:53 AM

Evan and Michael have always shown they have integrity and class in all of their dealings with me over the years. They are innovative and exceptional businessmen. I have complete faith in their being proven innocent in this matter. Some people around here have nothing better to do than jumping to conclusions and tearing people down. If you are looking to do business with an ethical and honest program that will make you money and pay you year after year theres none I would recommend more than Xpays!

Joe Segal

BradShaw · 06-25-2003, 12:01 PM

Hope to see the xpays boys in Vegas this weekend. I am sure they will give me the full scoop.

As much as I may dislike Evan, I do not like to see anyone in the business sued as it may have deeper implications.

I downloaded the suit yesterday, and if "they" are guilty of what Microsoft says, they hit the chronic one too many times. They have made MILLIONS mailing.

It is plain stupid to do some of those things. But as OJ says, innocent until proven guilty.

J$tyle$ · 06-25-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by JosephS
Evan and Michael have always shown they have integrity and class in all of their dealings with me over the years. They are innovative and exceptional businessmen. I have complete faith in their being proven innocent in this matter. Some people around here have nothing better to do than jumping to conclusions and tearing people down. If you are looking to do business with an ethical and honest program that will make you money and pay you year after year theres none I would recommend more than Xpays!

Joe Segal

I agree wholeheartedly, Joseph!

What some webmasters fail to realize (or care to), is that Xpays does not hide who they are ... they're not hiding behind offshore entities like BIG SPAMMERS do. If you do a whois on any of their domains they point back to XPAYS in San Francisco. Why? Because there are no reasons for them to hide.

Any company that does email marketing or runs an affiliate program could easily be a target for a lawsuit.

READ: Any program can have affiliates that SPAM, spoof, or anything else underhanded, and the SPONSOR will catch the blame.

In this case, it's a lawsuit spearheaded by Microsoft that looks more like a PR campaign to say:

"Look, we're cleaning up OUR email services and going after NASTY SPAMMERS ... come sign up for a Hotmail account or an MSN account ... you're safe with Microsoft"

Whether or not the SPONSOR can prove their innocence is of no consequence. If they're targeted, at the very least - they're going to have to fight a costly legal battle.

My belief is that Xpays will come out of this and be exonerated!

Just my

MicroChick · 06-30-2003, 09:37 PM

Styles, Shaw, and all the rest of you spammers! You are standing behind Evan and his spamming business because you are all guilty of doing the same thing.

I would like to see Evan go down big time if he is guilty. And all of you who are doing the same should follow Evan into the black hole of spamming idiots.

Good luck in court! Ha Ha

BradShaw · 06-30-2003, 09:39 PM

Me standing behind Evan? hahaha.

Evan and I are not as tight as we used to be, but I do not like to see microsfot vs. anyone in this business.

MicroChick · 06-30-2003, 09:44 PM

Gotcha, BRAD SHAW! Welcome back to the boards. You have brought me many hours of entertainment.

I'm not crazy about Microsoft, but xpays has been spamming the be-Jesus out of my email accounts for the past two years. Why should Evan and his idiots be protected! He is bringing all the big dogs like Microsoft and the US Govt down on everyone.

Hey Brad...I heard that your attorney told you to stay off the boards or you were going to be in deep shit. If this is true, it's a gutsy move to return.

Congratulations to you on your engagement. We would like to see more of those great fishing pics you use to show us.

Mr.Fiction · 06-30-2003, 09:45 PM

Has this been posted yet:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3020566.stm

The guy claims be didn't spam anyone. He says he just bought an expired domain that a spammer used to own.

I don't know if it's true or just an excuse, but we've seen all kinds of legal threats and problems when you buy expired domains, so anything is possible.

BradShaw · 06-30-2003, 09:47 PM

My fiancee told me to get off the boards, not my lawyer;-) She lets me post now though on a very limited basis!

I am ready to go fishing again soon, want to hit up some huge tarpon in tampa flats soon.

IKE · 06-30-2003, 09:50 PM

I hate to see anyone in our industry have problems like this.

Anyone who has been in this industry for a while has skeletons....

This is a bad thing for all of us.

Good luck Evan and I am sure in the end you'll work it out for the best.

John3 · 06-30-2003, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
My fiancee told me to get off the boards, not my lawyer;-) She lets me post now though on a very limited basis!

grow some balls.

MicroChick · 06-30-2003, 09:57 PM

Hey Ike, I hate to see innocent people get sued, but the guilty ones deserve no support. What excuse can a major porn spammer have? Sure, Evan is a likable guy, but he has been spamming the shit out of me, so why should I care what happens to him. Since I am one of his victims, why should I stand by and wish him well.

If he spammed me, why would I assume he didn't spam millions of others. This industry has to clean up its act or we will be squelched by the conservatives who already hate us.

I remember when the babenet.com guys were the hotshot dollys of the porn world. Look at them now. They were scumbags years ago and even bigger scumbags now. I will gladly be a witness for microsoft or Ash-hahahahaha if they need my help. Some of these porn bastards have made my life miserable.

HAPPY FISHING, BRAD!

BradShaw · 06-30-2003, 09:59 PM

Am I more likable then Evan?

I still have balls, they are sore, after Grimm punched me in them Saturday night!

John3 · 06-30-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by MicroChick
Hey Ike, I hate to see innocent people get sued, but the guilty ones deserve no support. What excuse can a major porn spammer have? Sure, Evan is a likable guy, but he has been spamming the shit out of me, so why should I care what happens to him. Since I am one of his victims, why should I stand by and wish him well.

If he spammed me, why would I assume he didn't spam millions of others. This industry has to clean up its act or we will be squelched by the conservatives who already hate us.

I remember when the babenet.com guys were the hotshot dollys of the porn world. Look at them now. They were scumbags years ago and even bigger scumbags now. I will gladly be a witness for microsoft or Ash-hahahahaha if they need my help. Some of these porn bastards have made my life miserable.

HAPPY FISHING, BRAD!

You act as if non-adult companies don't spam.

John3 · 06-30-2003, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Am I more likeable then Evan?

I still have balls, they are sore, after Grimm punched me in them Saturday night!

Did your fiancee have to approve that too?

BradShaw · 06-30-2003, 10:02 PM

Let me ask her!

John3 · 06-30-2003, 10:05 PM

I hear Dallas is trying to get rid of AOB's again.

MicroChick · 06-30-2003, 10:09 PM

John, everybody spams but me (wink wink)

For a while, I didn't mind a few bits of spam coming into my email. Then it started to increase. And today I wade through the spam to find something that is really for me. Many times there are viruses attached to the spam. I HATE IT!

Most of my latest spam is from sites that are selling prescription drugs. Well, I decided to try one. My drugs came from India to Denmark - to England - to New York - to CUSTOMS - to Los Angeles - to the USPS - and eventually to me after 5 weeks. The price was 5 times what I would pay here in the U.S.

Creative spam is acceptable, but the junk I receive is a total waste of my time.

DOWN WITH PORN SPAMMERS -- DOWN WITH ALL SPAMMERS!!

And Brad, you are more likable than Evan. I'm sorry I missed you in LV a couple of years ago when I thought you and Serge were going to push each other in the face. I think the two of you shook hands and had a beer! Oh well! Next time you really get pissed off, let me know, and I will show up with my camera and some cortisone cream.

Kimmykim · 06-30-2003, 10:46 PM

hahaha, confucy on acid is a site to behold.

Thomas N · 06-30-2003, 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty
Global Media, Inc. is on the list too..

I believe that's Hardcoremoney.com

Just curious, but were you/your company sued in the wake of the Columbine shootings? One of many people the parents of victims tried to blame the shootings on?

If so, what ever became of that?

JDog · 06-30-2003, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by Jeffery
John Doe is in there too....

Hey, I saw in the newspaper that he is dead. wtf

quiet · 06-30-2003, 11:31 PM

from one girl to the next.

psyko514 · 07-01-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by you_can_trust_me

well that's a surprise.

XPays · 09-17-2004, 03:54 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Spoofing return addresses while spamming is fucked.

Anyone who has owned a domain that has been spoofed by a spammer can tell you how many problems it can cause.

XPays never sent 1 email spoofing anybody ever!

Also we will pay a reward or hourly rate to those who assist us in tracking down the spoofers who spoof several of our domains every day.

XPays · 09-17-2004, 03:55 AM

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Originally posted by xxweekxx
Don't know but do a search for xpays. They've been spamming people like fuck. No unsubscribe link, etc,

We always used a valid and properly registered unsubscribe link that was honored in real-time.

XPays · 09-17-2004, 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by howard
Whether Xpays ever spammed or not its amazing how some people get happy over other peoples misery.

They been around a long time and have never hurt anybody. They have done huge numbers and business with all the big boys who most of you people have been paid by. There is a couple other companies we all know on that list but no one is busting their bubbles.

In the biz we have chose to be in, I wouldn't be throwing rocks at our huge glass house.

Just my 2 cents.

howard

www.adultplex.com
$50 per free su this THURSDAY!!!

And we did not rat on our affiliates. Thanks howard!

XPays · 09-17-2004, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by DrGuile
No offense, but that's BS
The people being sued are the one throwing rock at the glass house by sending spam to harvested emails, no remove, with faked headers, etc...

They are the one that will make it a problem for me to send my double-optin daily newsletter.

Its their fault if new laws are going up, its their fault if any promotional email is now called spam

Fuck em

That is your opinion but XPays always has been an easy domestic target because we do not hide from anyone. Has spam gone down in the 16 or so months since you said this?

XPays · 09-17-2004, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
that's what you get for NOT honoring your removes.

false

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by Matt 26z
I'm amazed at how many people compaire internet advertising to snail mail advertising.

The government does not provide our e-mail addy's for us and control the networks. The internet is private. If Microsoft doesn't want you sending email ad's to their customers, then stop or be sued. Simple as that.

make sure you are a valid double-opt and do everything by the book or do not bother- you are right-ish

lawsuits are very expensive

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:06 AM

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Originally posted by Why
or rather... to bad xpays was stupid enough to send forged emails. especially forged to appear to be coming from domains owned by the richest corporation in the WORLD

False!

Darkystar · 09-17-2004, 04:06 AM

XPays are you fucking crazy? look at the date of this thread

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
I don't know Evan, but Howard nailed it.

People LIVE for other people's misery.

Mostly the ones who enjoy other people misfortunes are the ones who can't even DREAM of achieving what other people have achieved....and those who ride the "high horse",
I personally love every time you fall of it and break your fuckin' necks...

Yes, archibishop of Phoenix, I talk about you!
;-))))

We won't hold any grudges.

Phoenix · 09-17-2004, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by Darkystar
XPays are you fucking crazy? look at the date of this thread

yeah this sucker is ancient...i have seen alot of old threads pop up

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Thank you Serge! Apparently neither Howard nor I managed to get our points across and if people here cant figure it out from your post then English is not even a 5th language to them.

The point is NOT what Ev and Michael did or did not do. That is for a judge or a jury to decide.

The point is that all these fuckers sit around and cry about shit and how it's always someone starting it, and all the while who knows what they are doing.

The case never made it to a jury.

Reak · 09-17-2004, 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by xxweekxx
XPAYS is getting sued by microsoft for spam. I just did a search on the board and they are indeed spammers..

Here is a list of people/companies microsoft is suing. Xpays is down there. Incase you dont see it, let me cut their part from microsoft website.

Defendant: XPAYS Inc., San Francisco. Case number: 03-2-27988-9 SEA

Alleged spam activity:

Sent unsolicited e-mail containing explicit images
Used misleading subject lines and spoofed third-party domains, including hotmail.com, msn.com and other domains as the originating e-mail address

Sucks for them i guess

I'm glad.

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:11 AM

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Originally posted by Darkystar
XPays are you fucking crazy? look at the date of this thread

Cambria and firm had me stay silent back then- people published some opinions and some people published false accusations. Now we can publish our responses. 16 months in internet time, is like a decade- I hear you.

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by JohnIP
Maybe Evan should send them a C and D;)

And last I heard insiteadult fucked everyone. Karma...

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by JosephS
Evan and Michael have always shown they have integrity and class in all of their dealings with me over the years. They are innovative and exceptional businessmen. I have complete faith in their being proven innocent in this matter. Some people around here have nothing better to do than jumping to conclusions and tearing people down. If you are looking to do business with an ethical and honest program that will make you money and pay you year after year theres none I would recommend more than Xpays!

Joe Segal

When the shock of the suit hit me, a post like this was very refreshing and thanks as always Joe.

Phoenix · 09-17-2004, 04:15 AM

btw..never met Evan as of yet...but Michael is top notch..one of the nicer guys you will meet

Phoenix · 09-17-2004, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by assistant27
no its one of python companies I would say.

not even close totally separate

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by J$tyle$
I agree wholeheartedly, Joseph!

What some webmasters fail to realize (or care to), is that Xpays does not hide who they are ... they're not hiding behind offshore entities like BIG SPAMMERS do. If you do a whois on any of their domains they point back to XPAYS in San Francisco. Why? Because there are no reasons for them to hide.

Any company that does email marketing or runs an affiliate program could easily be a target for a lawsuit.

READ: Any program can have affiliates that SPAM, spoof, or anything else underhanded, and the SPONSOR will catch the blame.

In this case, it's a lawsuit spearheaded by Microsoft that looks more like a PR campaign to say:

"Look, we're cleaning up OUR email services and going after NASTY SPAMMERS ... come sign up for a Hotmail account or an MSN account ... you're safe with Microsoft"

Whether or not the SPONSOR can prove their innocence is of no consequence. If they're targeted, at the very least - they're going to have to fight a costly legal battle.

My belief is that Xpays will come out of this and be exonerated!

Just my

The benefit of the doubt

uchase/webpry · 09-17-2004, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by XPays
Cambria and firm had me stay silent back then- people published some opinions and some people published false accusations. Now we can publish our responses. 16 months in internet time, is like a decade- I hear you.

... don't hold back.

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix
btw..never met Evan as of yet...but Michael is top notch..one of the nicer guys you will meet

he's the smart one

Tipsy · 09-17-2004, 04:20 AM

Glad to see you made it out the other side in one piece. Restores just a little bit of faith in the system.

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by uchase/webpry
... don't hold back.

i have simmered down plenty and i want to be nice to everyone if possible

any luck with shimmer finding the spoofers?

XPays · 09-17-2004, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
Glad to see you made it out the other side in one piece. Restores just a little bit of faith in the system.

thank you!

uchase/webpry · 09-17-2004, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by XPays
i have simmered down plenty and i want to be nice to everyone if possible

any luck with shimmer finding the spoofers?

... no man, she has given up, but told me she thinks your spoofer problem is more "inhouse".

GonZo · 09-17-2004, 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by XPays
And last I heard insiteadult fucked everyone. Karma...

Peaches says if you were his friend you got paid....

06-18-2003, 02:07 PM	#53
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06-25-2003, 11:53 AM	#54
JosephS Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 191	Evan and Michael have always shown they have integrity and class in all of their dealings with me over the years. They are innovative and exceptional businessmen. I have complete faith in their being proven innocent in this matter. Some people around here have nothing better to do than jumping to conclusions and tearing people down. If you are looking to do business with an ethical and honest program that will make you money and pay you year after year theres none I would recommend more than Xpays! Joe Segal __________________ Come Play our Games Free

06-25-2003, 12:01 PM	#55
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Hope to see the xpays boys in Vegas this weekend. I am sure they will give me the full scoop. As much as I may dislike Evan, I do not like to see anyone in the business sued as it may have deeper implications. I downloaded the suit yesterday, and if "they" are guilty of what Microsoft says, they hit the chronic one too many times. They have made MILLIONS mailing. It is plain stupid to do some of those things. But as OJ says, innocent until proven guilty. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

06-30-2003, 09:39 PM	#58
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Me standing behind Evan? hahaha. Evan and I are not as tight as we used to be, but I do not like to see microsfot vs. anyone in this business. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

06-30-2003, 09:47 PM	#61
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	My fiancee told me to get off the boards, not my lawyer;-) She lets me post now though on a very limited basis! I am ready to go fishing again soon, want to hit up some huge tarpon in tampa flats soon. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

06-30-2003, 09:37 PM	#57
MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	Styles, Shaw, and all the rest of you spammers! You are standing behind Evan and his spamming business because you are all guilty of doing the same thing. I would like to see Evan go down big time if he is guilty. And all of you who are doing the same should follow Evan into the black hole of spamming idiots. Good luck in court! Ha Ha

06-30-2003, 09:44 PM	#59
MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	Gotcha, BRAD SHAW! Welcome back to the boards. You have brought me many hours of entertainment. I'm not crazy about Microsoft, but xpays has been spamming the be-Jesus out of my email accounts for the past two years. Why should Evan and his idiots be protected! He is bringing all the big dogs like Microsoft and the US Govt down on everyone. Hey Brad...I heard that your attorney told you to stay off the boards or you were going to be in deep shit. If this is true, it's a gutsy move to return. Congratulations to you on your engagement. We would like to see more of those great fishing pics you use to show us.

06-30-2003, 09:45 PM	#60
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Has this been posted yet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3020566.stm The guy claims be didn't spam anyone. He says he just bought an expired domain that a spammer used to own. I don't know if it's true or just an excuse, but we've seen all kinds of legal threats and problems when you buy expired domains, so anything is possible.

06-30-2003, 09:50 PM	#62
IKE Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: seattle wa usa Posts: 358	I hate to see anyone in our industry have problems like this. Anyone who has been in this industry for a while has skeletons.... This is a bad thing for all of us. Good luck Evan and I am sure in the end you'll work it out for the best.

06-30-2003, 09:57 PM	#64
MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	Hey Ike, I hate to see innocent people get sued, but the guilty ones deserve no support. What excuse can a major porn spammer have? Sure, Evan is a likable guy, but he has been spamming the shit out of me, so why should I care what happens to him. Since I am one of his victims, why should I stand by and wish him well. If he spammed me, why would I assume he didn't spam millions of others. This industry has to clean up its act or we will be squelched by the conservatives who already hate us. I remember when the babenet.com guys were the hotshot dollys of the porn world. Look at them now. They were scumbags years ago and even bigger scumbags now. I will gladly be a witness for microsoft or Ash-hahahahaha if they need my help. Some of these porn bastards have made my life miserable. HAPPY FISHING, BRAD!

06-30-2003, 09:59 PM	#65
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Am I more likable then Evan? I still have balls, they are sore, after Grimm punched me in them Saturday night! __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com Last edited by BradShaw; 06-30-2003 at 10:02 PM..

06-30-2003, 10:02 PM	#68
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	Let me ask her! __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

06-30-2003, 10:05 PM	#69
John3 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin Posts: 1,214	I hear Dallas is trying to get rid of AOB's again. __________________ Hook 'em.

06-30-2003, 10:09 PM	#70
MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	John, everybody spams but me (wink wink) For a while, I didn't mind a few bits of spam coming into my email. Then it started to increase. And today I wade through the spam to find something that is really for me. Many times there are viruses attached to the spam. I HATE IT! Most of my latest spam is from sites that are selling prescription drugs. Well, I decided to try one. My drugs came from India to Denmark - to England - to New York - to CUSTOMS - to Los Angeles - to the USPS - and eventually to me after 5 weeks. The price was 5 times what I would pay here in the U.S. Creative spam is acceptable, but the junk I receive is a total waste of my time. DOWN WITH PORN SPAMMERS -- DOWN WITH ALL SPAMMERS!! And Brad, you are more likable than Evan. I'm sorry I missed you in LV a couple of years ago when I thought you and Serge were going to push each other in the face. I think the two of you shook hands and had a beer! Oh well! Next time you really get pissed off, let me know, and I will show up with my camera and some cortisone cream.

06-30-2003, 10:46 PM	#71
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	hahaha, confucy on acid is a site to behold.

06-30-2003, 11:31 PM	#74
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	from one girl to the next.

09-17-2004, 04:06 AM	#83
Darkystar Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 273	XPays are you fucking crazy? look at the date of this thread

09-17-2004, 04:15 AM	#91
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,457	btw..never met Evan as of yet...but Michael is top notch..one of the nicer guys you will meet __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

09-17-2004, 04:20 AM	#96
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Glad to see you made it out the other side in one piece. Restores just a little bit of faith in the system. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.