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nazgul · 06-20-2003, 09:53 AM

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After thinking about to, a bit I really do think it is a possible that black holes are formed by particles of matter which have exceeded the speed of light.......

It would explain the mass of blacks holes, as we all know e = mc^2 which means as opjects approach the speed of light, their mass becomes infinelty large.

You can derive this from m = e/c^2 where e is a contant.

This would also explain why light can not escape a black hole. The gravity created is greate enough to pull the light in. That much gravity needs to be created by an object traveling greater than the speed of light....

Just my thought anyway

Any physics heads got any thoughts??

ADL Colin · 06-20-2003, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nazgul
300

After thinking about to, a bit I really do think it is a possible that black holes are formed by particles of matter which have exceeded the speed of light.......

It would explain the mass of blacks holes, as we all know e = mc^2 which means as opjects approach the speed of light, their mass becomes infinelty large.

You can derive this from m = e/c^2 where e is a contant.

This would also explain why light can not escape a black hole. The gravity created is greate enough to pull the light in. That much gravity needs to be created by an object traveling greater than the speed of light....

Just my thought anyway

Any physics heads got any thoughts??

A black hole is just any object that is so massive that the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light.

e is not really constant in that equation because the m is a symbol for "relativistic mass" which is a function of the velocity itself. As velocity increases so does mass so therefore e itself changes too.

Lane · 06-20-2003, 10:18 AM

12clicks,

Do you have a better argument than "this is not true" ? I at least studied this stuff in numbers. Alot of this stuff is proven. Since I did not major in physics, i can't tell you all the details about it. But your approach to the subject is totally wrong. You can't think so simple if you're gonna debunk someones theory that heavily relies on math and numbers. Einstein was not a philosopher, he was a scientist. Simple thoughts doesn't mean anything unless you can show a stable equation.

Are you familiar with the "theory of everything"? Its already 75% complete. Soon they will be able to explain the interaction of all forces in harmony.

How familiar are you with quatum physics? Do you have any idea how complicated it is right now? Nobody can grasp this stuff. Its all in numbers and equations. They say there is 20-something dimensions, while we can sense only 3. Do you think it is even possible to picture these things in your head?

A 2D picture is painted on a surface of a 3D object. We also live in a 3D world on the surface of a 4D universe, which is expanding. The expansion has been proven with the observation of galaxies and their speeds. Its like an inflating baloon. If you keep going in one direction, you will eventually go around the 4D object and come to where you have started. Light also goes around this 4D object, which actually is not a straight line. If you draw straight line on a baloon, it will be an arc in the 3D view. Its the same thing here. A straight line in a 3D world is actually an arc in 4D, so its not the shortest path. If you have the chance to go inside the ballon and travel through it, you would take a shortcut.
Also the shape of the universe is bent by gravitational forces, which also changes the route of light, and makes the path longer.

You also seem like you don't know much about the dual properties of light and why it has a mass.

I don't have the time or the teaching skills to explain it all right now, but I can see for a fact that your approach is wrong and too simple to disprove anything.

06-20-2003, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
12clicks,

Do you have a better argument than "this is not true" ? I at least studied this stuff in numbers. Alot of this stuff is proven. Since I did not major in physics, i can't tell you all the details about it. But your approach to the subject is totally wrong. You can't think so simple if you're gonna debunk someones theory that heavily relies on math and numbers. Einstein was not a philosopher, he was a scientist. Simple thoughts doesn't mean anything unless you can show a stable equation.

Are you familiar with the "theory of everything"? Its already 75% complete. Soon they will be able to explain the interaction of all forces in harmony.

How familiar are you with quatum physics? Do you have any idea how complicated it is right now? Nobody can grasp this stuff. Its all in numbers and equations. They say there is 20-something dimensions, while we can sense only 3. Do you think it is even possible to picture these things in your head?

A 2D picture is painted on a surface of a 3D object. We also live in a 3D world on the surface of a 4D universe, which is expanding. The expansion has been proven with the observation of galaxies and their speeds. Its like an inflating baloon. If you keep going in one direction, you will eventually go around the 4D object and come to where you have started. Light also goes around this 4D object, which actually is not a straight line. If you draw straight line on a baloon, it will be an arc in the 3D view. Its the same thing here. A straight line in a 3D world is actually an arc in 4D, so its not the shortest path. If you have the chance to go inside the ballon and travel through it, you would take a shortcut.
Also the shape of the universe is bent by gravitational forces, which also changes the route of light, and makes the path longer.

You also seem like you don't know much about the dual properties of light and why it has a mass.

I don't have the time or the teaching skills to explain it all right now, but I can see for a fact that your approach is wrong and too simple to disprove anything.

if you have time someday, pelase teach me!

AcidMax · 06-20-2003, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
12clicks,

Do you have a better argument than "this is not true" ? I at least studied this stuff in numbers. Alot of this stuff is proven. Since I did not major in physics, i can't tell you all the details about it. But your approach to the subject is totally wrong. You can't think so simple if you're gonna debunk someones theory that heavily relies on math and numbers. Einstein was not a philosopher, he was a scientist. Simple thoughts doesn't mean anything unless you can show a stable equation.

Are you familiar with the "theory of everything"? Its already 75% complete. Soon they will be able to explain the interaction of all forces in harmony.

How familiar are you with quatum physics? Do you have any idea how complicated it is right now? Nobody can grasp this stuff. Its all in numbers and equations. They say there is 20-something dimensions, while we can sense only 3. Do you think it is even possible to picture these things in your head?

A 2D picture is painted on a surface of a 3D object. We also live in a 3D world on the surface of a 4D universe, which is expanding. The expansion has been proven with the observation of galaxies and their speeds. Its like an inflating baloon. If you keep going in one direction, you will eventually go around the 4D object and come to where you have started. Light also goes around this 4D object, which actually is not a straight line. If you draw straight line on a baloon, it will be an arc in the 3D view. Its the same thing here. A straight line in a 3D world is actually an arc in 4D, so its not the shortest path. If you have the chance to go inside the ballon and travel through it, you would take a shortcut.
Also the shape of the universe is bent by gravitational forces, which also changes the route of light, and makes the path longer.

You also seem like you don't know much about the dual properties of light and why it has a mass.

I don't have the time or the teaching skills to explain it all right now, but I can see for a fact that your approach is wrong and too simple to disprove anything.

I have not studied this stuff at all, and at least you are bringing examples from current scientific studies. The only thing I see 12clicks saying (other than bringing a good argument) is prove it, yet he cannot either. I think the whole conversation is mute unless both sides can prove it

ADL Colin · 06-20-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by AcidMax

I have not studied this stuff at all, and at least you are bringing examples from current scientific studies. The only thing I see 12clicks saying (other than bringing a good argument) is prove it, yet he cannot either. I think the whole conversation is mute unless both sides can prove it

What do you want proved? There have been a few dozen statements made.

There are hundreds of examples which confirm the relativity of time. Special Relativity was first formulated in 1905. Given the acceleration of technology one hundred years for a theory that is at the cornerstone of modern physics is in pretty good shape.

A few experiments were mentioned in this thread. One was the experiment where a clock is placed on a plane and another stays on the ground and the clocks expire at different rates depending on altitude because of the slightly weaker gravitational attraction. (general relativity). There have actually been many variations on this experiment over the years. 12 clicks (maybe jokingly) pointed out that the experiment is flawed because clocks aren't accurate to within a millionth of a second. In fact, the "clocks" used were "atomic clocks" which are accurate to BETTER THAN 1 millionth of a second because they measure the frequency of a spectral line of Cesium. Answers in nanoseconds.

Most physicists aren't just running around performing experiments with simple errors such as the degree of error in their measurements. Not only is this not a likely error from an individual but an experiment that will be published is first scrutinized and subject to peer review and then the entire scientific community.

06-20-2003, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin

What do you want proved? There have been a few dozen statements made.

There are hundreds of examples which confirm the relativity of time. Special Relativity was first formulated in 1905. Given the acceleration of technology one hundred years for a theory that is at the cornerstone of modern physics is in pretty good shape.

A few experiments were mentioned in this thread. One was the experiment where a clock is placed on a plane and another stays on the ground and the clocks expire at different rates depending on altitude because of the slightly weaker gravitational attraction. (general relativity). There have actually been many variations on this experiment over the years. 12 clicks (maybe jokingly) pointed out that the experiment is flawed because clocks aren't accurate to within a millionth of a second. In fact, the "clocks" used were "atomic clocks" which are accurate to BETTER THAN 1 millionth of a second because they measure the frequency of a spectral line of Cesium. Answers in nanoseconds.

Most physicists aren't just running around performing experiments with simple errors such as the degree of error in their measurements. Not only is this not a likely error from an individual but an experiment that will be published is first scrutinized and subject to peer review and then the entire scientific community.

you show them colin

julian · 06-20-2003, 11:32 AM

I did not read the entire thread but:

1.) Moving faster than light will not make you go backwards or forwards in time, it will make your proccesses move backwards. For example if you accelerate to a faster than light velocity it will simply move backwards.

2.) Einstein proved that it is impossible to accelerate something to faster than light. So you cannot prove him WRONG cause he said it's impossible to move faster than light in the first place.

12clicks · 06-20-2003, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
12clicks,

Do you have a better argument than "this is not true" ? I at least studied this stuff in numbers. Alot of this stuff is proven. Since I did not major in physics, i can't tell you all the details about it. But your approach to the subject is totally wrong. You can't think so simple if you're gonna debunk someones theory that heavily relies on math and numbers. Einstein was not a philosopher, he was a scientist. Simple thoughts doesn't mean anything unless you can show a stable equation.

Are you familiar with the "theory of everything"? Its already 75% complete. Soon they will be able to explain the interaction of all forces in harmony.

How familiar are you with quatum physics? Do you have any idea how complicated it is right now? Nobody can grasp this stuff. Its all in numbers and equations. They say there is 20-something dimensions, while we can sense only 3. Do you think it is even possible to picture these things in your head?

A 2D picture is painted on a surface of a 3D object. We also live in a 3D world on the surface of a 4D universe, which is expanding. The expansion has been proven with the observation of galaxies and their speeds. Its like an inflating baloon. If you keep going in one direction, you will eventually go around the 4D object and come to where you have started. Light also goes around this 4D object, which actually is not a straight line. If you draw straight line on a baloon, it will be an arc in the 3D view. Its the same thing here. A straight line in a 3D world is actually an arc in 4D, so its not the shortest path. If you have the chance to go inside the ballon and travel through it, you would take a shortcut.
Also the shape of the universe is bent by gravitational forces, which also changes the route of light, and makes the path longer.

You also seem like you don't know much about the dual properties of light and why it has a mass.

I don't have the time or the teaching skills to explain it all right now, but I can see for a fact that your approach is wrong and too simple to disprove anything.

Lane, you hop in here in page what? 4? 5? and declare that such and such is fact but offer no proof and offer no theory. You just make a couple of meaningless *statements* and CLAIM they are facts proving my theories wrong.
I trotted out theories, you parrot what someone told you and can not show us that what you parrot is fact.

If you have a theory, present it, if not, please don't pretend you understand any of it by trotting out things you've heard in class but can't explain.

12clicks · 06-20-2003, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by julian
I did not read the entire thread but:

1.) Moving faster than light will not make you go backwards or forwards in time, it will make your proccesses move backwards. For example if you accelerate to a faster than light velocity it will simply move backwards.

2.) Einstein proved that it is impossible to accelerate something to faster than light. So you cannot prove him WRONG cause he said it's impossible to move faster than light in the first place.

6 pages in and you have a statement to make without reading the thread?
get lost, your points have been covered.

Lane · 06-20-2003, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

Lane, you hop in here in page what? 4? 5? and declare that such and such is fact but offer no proof and offer no theory. You just make a couple of meaningless *statements* and CLAIM they are facts proving my theories wrong.
I trotted out theories, you parrot what someone told you and can not show us that what you parrot is fact.

If you have a theory, present it, if not, please don't pretend you understand any of it by trotting out things you've heard in class but can't explain.

I am only telling you what is already proven. You would be right if I was making these up. You are the only one here who is supposed to bring a complete proof if you want others to accept your arguments.

I know you are probably having fun by not giving up argueing against all of this, and finding something wrong or incomplete in everyones post to point out, which makes you look like that you have proven them wrong. You sure as hell know you can't debate this with a physics proffessor and prove your arguments to him/her.
You also sure as hell know you are wrong, thats why you come to a webmaster board to talk about it instead of calling a university, because noone here can completely disprove what you say, at least thats what you think.
You are quite a character 12clicks

KRL · 06-20-2003, 10:03 PM

"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

Albert Einstein

theWatsonian · 06-20-2003, 11:54 PM

I still have a problem with gravity, don't get me started on time.

ADL Colin · 06-21-2003, 02:51 AM

12 Clicks,

You deserve a Nobel Prize for this.

In literature. ;-)

Serge_Oprano · 06-21-2003, 06:32 AM

you gurus, please answer me
is Lensman check he owes me RELATIVE term or not according to Einstein theory?

ADL Colin · 06-21-2003, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
is Lensman check he owes me RELATIVE term or not according to Einstein theory?

I'd like to quote the true guru on that but the messages are conflicting:

"The important thing is not to stop questioning."
Albert Einstein

"Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers" - Albert Einstein

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

12clicks · 06-21-2003, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane

I am only telling you what is already proven. You would be right if I was making these up. You are the only one here who is supposed to bring a complete proof if you want others to accept your arguments.

I know you are probably having fun by not giving up argueing against all of this, and finding something wrong or incomplete in everyones post to point out, which makes you look like that you have proven them wrong. You sure as hell know you can't debate this with a physics proffessor and prove your arguments to him/her.
You also sure as hell know you are wrong, thats why you come to a webmaster board to talk about it instead of calling a university, because noone here can completely disprove what you say, at least thats what you think.
You are quite a character 12clicks

Not true, your post about slowing down time for particles is something I asked you to post a link about.
so far, no link. I say that what you call fact is just a half truth.
As far as debating with a professor, find me a board full of professors.

how can a man who makes this statement:
"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." -Albert Einstein
always be considered right?

Porn Mickey · 06-22-2003, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luc Duboi
He just "copy and paste" from somewhere.

simple thing

12clicks · 08-05-2005, 08:27 AM

I'm sorry, this thread title was too funny not to bump.

Pleasurepays · 08-05-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

I've always known Einstein was wrong about time travel but I never felt I had the time to properly debunk it.
So tonight, I'm eating Ben & Jerry's "coffee heathbar crunch" icecream and a simple answer to the problem presented itself

The theory is that if you could travel at faster than the speed of light, you could travel through time. Here is why its wrong:

Time has no relationship to people. Time passes regardless of what a person does.
if something happends in another galaxy and it takes a year to see it because the light is traveling from so far away, by the time we see it, its already a year old (standard stuff)
But if we travel at faster than the speed of light towards that galaxy, we will get closer to seeing the galaxy in realtime. we will NOT be turning back the clock.
The proof of this is our ability to travel faster than the speed of sound.
If a sound takes 10 seconds to reach our ear because the action creating it was so far away, we hear an action that happened 10 seconds ago. Not unlike seeing something from the other galaxy that happened already.
Now, if we travel at the speed of sound towards the action that made the sound, we DO hear the sound sooner but we do not travel back in time.
Swap speed of sound with speed of light and you see why Albert Einstein is wrong.

problem number 1 - you cant travel faster than the speed of light. I dont think Einstein ever suggested you could since this very fact represents the foundation of his work.

SouthernGirl · 08-05-2005, 08:41 AM

i forgot about this jewel

thanks for the bump

12clicks you are one stupid mofo

12clicks · 08-05-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

problem number 1 - you cant travel faster than the speed of light. I dont think Einstein ever suggested you could since this very fact represents the foundation of his work.

there is no reason something can't travel faster than the speed of light.
the speed of light is just a measure of how fast light travels. there's no proof that something other than light couldn't go faster than light.
Thats like saying you can't run faster than a dog.

Cains · 08-05-2005, 08:48 AM

and I debunked Charles Darwin by reading GFY...

SouthernGirl · 08-05-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cains

and I debunked Charles Darwin by reading GFY...

Pleasurepays · 08-05-2005, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

there is no reason something can't travel faster than the speed of light.
the speed of light is just a measure of how fast light travels. there's no proof that something other than light couldn't go faster than light.
Thats like saying you can't run faster than a dog.

well sir... we dont know what they lerned ya in Physics For Rednecks and how yer dog figures into things... but nothing travels faster than the speed of light. if you knew anything about Einstein and his work (which you are supposedly debunking in your own uneducated, yet somehow charming way), you would know that.

12clicks · 08-05-2005, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cains

and I debunked Charles Darwin by reading GFY...

dude, certain members of GFY could be considered the missing link.
I think this *proves* Darwin, not debunks him.

12clicks · 08-05-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

well sir... we dont know what they lerned ya in Physics For Rednecks and how yer dog figures into things... but nothing travels faster than the speed of light. if you knew anything about Einstein and his work (which you are supposedly debunking in your own uneducated, yet somehow charming way), you would know that.

I threw the dog in so you might understand.
There is *no* proof that nothing travels faster than light. you can pretend otherwise but then you'd have a lot in common with the flat earth society.

Pleasurepays · 08-05-2005, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

there is no reason something can't travel faster than the speed of light.
the speed of light is just a measure of how fast light travels. there's no proof that something other than light couldn't go faster than light.
Thats like saying you can't run faster than a dog.

"One of the reasons that prevent any object with a mass going at or faster than the speed of light is that the mass is not constant - it increases with velocity and it goes to infinity at the speed of light. So that eventually you need infinite amounts of energy to accelerate infinite mass past the speed of light mark!"

12clicks · 08-05-2005, 09:03 AM

pleasurepays.
this might be over your head but here you go:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic.../tachyons.html

Pleasurepays · 08-05-2005, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

pleasurepays.
this might be over your head but here you go:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic.../tachyons.html

it's clearly over your head... since that is nothing more than a theory of something that has not been proven to exist. why not just quote the Old Testament to support your arguments?

12clicks · 08-05-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

it might be over your head... but that is nothing more than a theory of something that has not been proven to exist. why not just quote the Old Testament to support your arguments?

hahaha, I love it when you show a kid a link and he challenges it with what he thinks.

I figured it was over your head.

12clicks · 08-05-2005, 09:15 AM

here you go, I wonder if these guys were eating icecream too:
http://www.you.com.au/news/1121.htm
"""Inconstant Speed of Light May Debunk Einstein """

Pleasurepays · 08-05-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, I love it when you show a kid a link and he challenges it with what he thinks.

I figured it was over your head.

i am not saying i am smarter than you... i am simply saying that it's your lack of understanding of the physics involved, not some deeper understanding that has led you to your conclusions.

now that you have found the perfect ice cream for debunking 6 decades of physics and disproving dozens of Nobel Prize winners and proving the ignorance of the last centuries greatest scientific minds, perhaps you can find the perfect ice cream for completing unification theory? maybe chunky monkey?

Pleasurepays · 08-05-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

here you go, I wonder if these guys were eating icecream too:
http://www.you.com.au/news/1121.htm
"""Inconstant Speed of Light May Debunk Einstein """

we are all happy that you found google and that after many painfully awkward and frustrating attempts, you finally spelled something right to get relevent results. back to your original statement - you can't prove math to be wrong with philosophical suppositions ... you have to actually to show your work, present it to your peers and see if it holds up to scrutiny or not.

$5 submissions · 08-05-2005, 12:34 PM

To quote the Rolling Stones...

"Tiiiiiiiime is on my side.... yes it is.... "

CDSmith · 08-05-2005, 12:35 PM

When I was younger I could flip the light switch and get into bed before the light went off.

12clicks is right.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-05-2005, 12:49 PM

From the time this thread started to present I feel an incredible loss of time reading it...

Damn...

However Speed of Sound is irrelevant.
Sound is an event that requires pressure.

The boom you hear is not akin to light but the vibration of matter ebbing from the source that has reached a speed that exceeds environmental pressure.

For example a sonic boom will not occur at the same exact speeds at different parts of the planet.

Light and Sound have little in common theoretically speaking.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-05-2005, 12:54 PM

For example a sonic boom will not occur at the same exact speeds at different parts of the planet since the pressure is varied from different atmospheric climates and pressure.

kenny · 08-05-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lane

12clicks,

Are you familiar with the "theory of everything"? Its already 75% complete. Soon they will be able to explain the interaction of all forces in harmony.

Is that the same thing as string theory?

Loryn · 08-05-2005, 01:32 PM

"The important thing is not to stop questioning."
Albert Einstein

You never know if something is bigger, brighter or faster!

BTW I like this thread!

12clicks · 08-06-2005, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

For example a sonic boom will not occur at the same exact speeds at different parts of the planet since the pressure is varied from different atmospheric climates and pressure.

and the url I posted showed that light may travel at different speeds making it much more similar to light than you'd like to pretend.
But sound is merely an example of speed the same way the dog is.

12clicks · 08-06-2005, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

we are all happy that you found google and that after many painfully awkward and frustrating attempts, you finally spelled something right to get relevent results. back to your original statement - you can't prove math to be wrong with philosophical suppositions ... you have to actually to show your work, present it to your peers and see if it holds up to scrutiny or not.

Translation: you've proven my statements wrong by posting urls to scientific equasions and theory so I'll mock you in the hopes that people don't notice.

12clicks · 08-06-2005, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i am not saying i am smarter than you... i am simply saying that it's your lack of understanding of the physics involved, not some deeper understanding that has led you to your conclusions.

now that you have found the perfect ice cream for debunking 6 decades of physics and disproving dozens of Nobel Prize winners and proving the ignorance of the last centuries greatest scientific minds, perhaps you can find the perfect ice cream for completing unification theory? maybe chunky monkey?

if you had half a brain, the thread title would have given you an idea of the lighthearted tone of the thread.

Sadly, some kids have a constant need to prove others wrong that precludes having a good time dicking around about Einstien and icecream.

12clicks · 08-06-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

BTW I like this thread!

you like everything I do, don't you?

Penthouse Tony · 08-06-2005, 10:56 AM

It's time for everyone to get a drink. Future or past.

xxxdesign-net · 08-06-2005, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

problem number 1 - you cant travel faster than the speed of light. I dont think Einstein ever suggested you could since this very fact represents the foundation of his work.

wrong..

Einstein-Rosen bridges

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/stra.../wormhole.html

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-06-2005, 11:01 AM

So 12Clicks you believe in FTL?

12clicks · 01-19-2006, 09:14 AM

more proof that I'm never wrong?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/science/w...553651249.html

The Duck · 01-19-2006, 09:23 AM

Did you know that time is what is keeping all the planets in place? Time flows through everything.. Its all in einsteins equation.

Bama · 01-19-2006, 09:44 AM

The only thing this thread proves is that the galaxy is just one big poorly made Japanese subtitled movie.

If light travels faster than sound - then if you took a really strong telescope and viewed a person standing on Mars - you'll see their lips moving long before you'll get to hear what they're saying!

06-20-2003, 10:18 AM	#253
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	12clicks, Do you have a better argument than "this is not true" ? I at least studied this stuff in numbers. Alot of this stuff is proven. Since I did not major in physics, i can't tell you all the details about it. But your approach to the subject is totally wrong. You can't think so simple if you're gonna debunk someones theory that heavily relies on math and numbers. Einstein was not a philosopher, he was a scientist. Simple thoughts doesn't mean anything unless you can show a stable equation. Are you familiar with the "theory of everything"? Its already 75% complete. Soon they will be able to explain the interaction of all forces in harmony. How familiar are you with quatum physics? Do you have any idea how complicated it is right now? Nobody can grasp this stuff. Its all in numbers and equations. They say there is 20-something dimensions, while we can sense only 3. Do you think it is even possible to picture these things in your head? A 2D picture is painted on a surface of a 3D object. We also live in a 3D world on the surface of a 4D universe, which is expanding. The expansion has been proven with the observation of galaxies and their speeds. Its like an inflating baloon. If you keep going in one direction, you will eventually go around the 4D object and come to where you have started. Light also goes around this 4D object, which actually is not a straight line. If you draw straight line on a baloon, it will be an arc in the 3D view. Its the same thing here. A straight line in a 3D world is actually an arc in 4D, so its not the shortest path. If you have the chance to go inside the ballon and travel through it, you would take a shortcut. Also the shape of the universe is bent by gravitational forces, which also changes the route of light, and makes the path longer. You also seem like you don't know much about the dual properties of light and why it has a mass. I don't have the time or the teaching skills to explain it all right now, but I can see for a fact that your approach is wrong and too simple to disprove anything. __________________

06-20-2003, 11:32 AM	#258
julian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 77	I did not read the entire thread but: 1.) Moving faster than light will not make you go backwards or forwards in time, it will make your proccesses move backwards. For example if you accelerate to a faster than light velocity it will simply move backwards. 2.) Einstein proved that it is impossible to accelerate something to faster than light. So you cannot prove him WRONG cause he said it's impossible to move faster than light in the first place. __________________ Visit http://www.elitecities.com for free hosting

06-20-2003, 10:03 PM	#262
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06-20-2003, 11:54 PM	#263
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06-21-2003, 02:51 AM	#264
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06-20-2003, 09:53 AM	#251
nazgul Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 227	300 After thinking about to, a bit I really do think it is a possible that black holes are formed by particles of matter which have exceeded the speed of light....... It would explain the mass of blacks holes, as we all know e = mc^2 which means as opjects approach the speed of light, their mass becomes infinelty large. You can derive this from m = e/c^2 where e is a contant. This would also explain why light can not escape a black hole. The gravity created is greate enough to pull the light in. That much gravity needs to be created by an object traveling greater than the speed of light.... Just my thought anyway Any physics heads got any thoughts??

06-21-2003, 06:32 AM	#265
Serge_Oprano So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 9,820	you gurus, please answer me is Lensman check he owes me RELATIVE term or not according to Einstein theory?

08-05-2005, 08:27 AM	#269
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	I'm sorry, this thread title was too funny not to bump. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-05-2005, 08:41 AM	#271
SouthernGirl So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: rural TN Posts: 615	i forgot about this jewel thanks for the bump 12clicks you are one stupid mofo

08-05-2005, 08:48 AM	#273
Cains Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 407	and I debunked Charles Darwin by reading GFY...

08-05-2005, 09:03 AM	#279
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	pleasurepays. this might be over your head but here you go: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic.../tachyons.html __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-05-2005, 09:15 AM	#282
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	here you go, I wonder if these guys were eating icecream too: http://www.you.com.au/news/1121.htm """Inconstant Speed of Light May Debunk Einstein """ __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-05-2005, 12:34 PM	#285
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08-05-2005, 12:35 PM	#286
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08-05-2005, 12:49 PM	#287
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	From the time this thread started to present I feel an incredible loss of time reading it... Damn... However Speed of Sound is irrelevant. Sound is an event that requires pressure. The boom you hear is not akin to light but the vibration of matter ebbing from the source that has reached a speed that exceeds environmental pressure. For example a sonic boom will not occur at the same exact speeds at different parts of the planet. Light and Sound have little in common theoretically speaking. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-05-2005 at 12:52 PM..

08-05-2005, 12:54 PM	#288
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	For example a sonic boom will not occur at the same exact speeds at different parts of the planet since the pressure is varied from different atmospheric climates and pressure. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

08-05-2005, 01:32 PM	#290
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08-06-2005, 10:56 AM	#295
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08-06-2005, 11:01 AM	#297
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	So 12Clicks you believe in FTL? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

01-19-2006, 09:14 AM	#298
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	more proof that I'm never wrong? http://www.smh.com.au/news/science/w...553651249.html __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

01-19-2006, 09:23 AM	#299
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01-19-2006, 09:44 AM	#300
Bama Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 2,727	The only thing this thread proves is that the galaxy is just one big poorly made Japanese subtitled movie. If light travels faster than sound - then if you took a really strong telescope and viewed a person standing on Mars - you'll see their lips moving long before you'll get to hear what they're saying!