Has anyone stopped offering video? - GoFuckYourself.com

boobmaster · 07-24-2003, 05:41 PM

Has anyone who runs a pay site in here stopped offering video? This is what I am considering doing .... dumping ALL video from my pay sites then mailing cds of all the videos which were available on my site to members who sign up. Every month mail them a new CD.

(1) Would they still have a case since I would no longer be using their technology?

(2) Would they still try to go after me for back licensing fees? Usually a patent owner or a copyright owner will give someone the opportunity to stop infringing before making them pay.

(3) If they did want royalties, would they want them based on my gross sales for the entire year or just for the six months I used video?

I realize that by doing this I would see a sharp decrease in memberships but I'd rather not make any money at all then pay them a fucking nickle. Besides, once their little patent is ruled invalid I will be coming after them for any and all lost revenues.

billywatson · 07-24-2003, 05:50 PM

better hope you don't violate the "community standards" where one of your members lives...then you get to open a whole new can o' wurms...

boobmaster · 07-24-2003, 06:05 PM

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better hope you don't violate the "community standards" where one of your members lives...then you get to open a whole new can o' wurms...

Ah, shit! Didn't think about that.

Anyone know where I can find an appartment in Rio?

fiveyes · 07-24-2003, 06:13 PM

Actually, I think you're onto something here. Just do stills on the site and upsell or cross sell the CD's with the video content.

BigFrog · 07-24-2003, 06:19 PM

no, that is not the way to do it.

i alluded to a solution earlier, and i seriously think this is the way to go about it....at least for the people that dont provide plugins and streams.....

zip up every video you have to offer your members. acacia doesnt have a patent on codecs or the process for downloading files from the internet.

suck my left nut acacia

of course, this doesnt help movie gallery advertisers or plugin/stream people, so in the end the fight must still go on.

still, im going to be zipping up every video on my site from now on.

Juicy D. Links · 07-24-2003, 06:20 PM

moron cd's? idiot

boobmaster · 07-24-2003, 06:23 PM

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moron cd's? idiot

huh?

Juicy D. Links · 07-24-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster

huh?

wanna be friends?

boobmaster · 07-24-2003, 06:38 PM

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zip up every video you have to offer your members. acacia doesnt have a patent on codecs or the process for downloading files from the internet.

Will this really work? I'd love to hear opinions from others about this.

And please people, NO PISSING ON THIS THREAD. I can piss on a message board with the best of 'em but this is a serious issue. Someone is trying to steal money from me and I ain't in the mood to fuck around.

tony286 · 07-24-2003, 07:09 PM

From what I heard and read they claim to have the patents on anyway video gets to the customer on the net.

Ludedude · 07-24-2003, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
From what I heard and read they claim to have the patents on anyway video gets to the customer on the net.

Can you say overbroad? I knew you could

eroswebmaster · 07-24-2003, 07:19 PM

You also need to take into consideration you are still liable for penalties from your past 'Patent infringing" activities.

You could quit business today, but they could still go after damages for last year, the year before, the year before that...

Webby · 07-24-2003, 07:27 PM

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Has anyone stopped offering video?

Nope.. and got no intentions of stopping either!

Let em spend a few $$'s and play "rights" games!

boobmaster · 07-24-2003, 07:31 PM

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You could quit business today, but they could still go after damages for last year, the year before, the year before that...

How the FUCK can they prove I WAS using videos in past years? Don't you actually have to PROOVE your case before you can win it? Is the legal world that fucked up?

Carrie · 07-24-2003, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by BigFrog
no, that is not the way to do it.

i alluded to a solution earlier, and i seriously think this is the way to go about it....at least for the people that dont provide plugins and streams.....

zip up every video you have to offer your members. acacia doesnt have a patent on codecs or the process for downloading files from the internet.

suck my left nut acacia

of course, this doesnt help movie gallery advertisers or plugin/stream people, so in the end the fight must still go on.

still, im going to be zipping up every video on my site from now on.

When someone downloads a zip, they are still engaging in the transfer of compressed video, yes?
Yes.
News flash for you I suppose... they're serving people who only do downloads via zip.
Hell, they're serving people who do nothing more than *LINK* to sites that have video. It's crazy.

eroswebmaster · 07-24-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster

How the FUCK can they prove I WAS using videos in past years? Don't you actually have to PROOVE your case before you can win it? Is the legal world that fucked up?

Well as I stated "they could go after damages..."

They would of course have to take you to court to prove it, but just because you stop serving videos today does not mean they won't take you to court tomorrow for that very issue.

boobmaster · 07-24-2003, 07:44 PM

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They would of course have to take you to court to prove it, but just because you stop serving videos today does not mean they won't take you to court tomorrow for that very issue.

Now I know how OJ felt ......

BigFrog · 07-24-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Carrie

When someone downloads a zip, they are still engaging in the transfer of compressed video, yes?
Yes.
News flash for you I suppose... they're serving people who only do downloads via zip.
Hell, they're serving people who do nothing more than *LINK* to sites that have video. It's crazy.

oh, i know they are serving everyone no matter how they present their video.

however, there are many many different codecs and formats....and i can prove that acacia's case doesnt hold water when it comes to me zipping up my video let alone streaming it.

******MPEG-1 WAS INVENTED IN 1988*******
and yes, that includes the streaming of Mpeg-1

just go ask the Motion Picture Experts Group

boobmaster · 07-24-2003, 08:13 PM

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From what I heard and read they claim to have the patents on anyway video gets to the customer on the net.

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they're serving people who only do downloads via zip.
Hell, they're serving people who do nothing more than *LINK* to sites that have video. It's crazy.

Now I'm COMPLETELY confused. You can transmit any type of file via zip. I understand that their patent covers a specific method for transmission of video and audio files, not EVERY method. If the process of transmitting a zip zile falls within the scope of their patent, then why just go after video and audio? If video and audio files are zipped they are no longer being transmitted in the same way.

If they hold the patent on a method of transmission and any type of transmission of video and audio files falls within its scope, then it follows that they own a patent on every type of transmission process on the net, not just the tranmission of certain types of files. Are they claiming to own the patents on all video and audio formats?

The only way that this makes any sense is if the patent covers a specific type of transmission and audio and video files are tranbsmitted differently than are text and image files. If they own the patent on the method by which audio and video files are transmitted, that explains why they are ONLY going after webmasters which employ that specific method of transmission. If the files are all zipped, then you are no longer transmitting them using that technology.

If they are going to come after me for transmitting videos via zip then they should come after everyone who sends any kind of file using that method. If they owned the patent on all video and audio file formats, that would explain why they would NOT go after webmasters who don't use video.

My god! My head is spinning.

Atari · 07-24-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by BigFrog

oh, i know they are serving everyone no matter how they present their video.

however, there are many many different codecs and formats....and i can prove that acacia's case doesnt hold water when it comes to me zipping up my video let alone streaming it.

******MPEG-1 WAS INVENTED IN 1988*******
and yes, that includes the streaming of Mpeg-1

just go ask the Motion Picture Experts Group

Yeah If you are talking about zipped up downloads on demand, the old BBS systems pretty much put an end to that nonsense.

StacyCat · 07-24-2003, 08:19 PM

How can they prove that you have used videos? Are the buying memberships to the sites to capture the pages that have the information?

I havent offered videos on the site yet, and I will probably wait until this thing gets settled before deciding to offer them.

Centurion · 07-24-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
From what I heard and read they claim to have the patents on anyway video gets to the customer on the net.

CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, ABC, all affiliates, etc etc had better be VERY worried then!

Centurion · 07-24-2003, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster

How the FUCK can they prove I WAS using videos in past years? Don't you actually have to PROOVE your case before you can win it? Is the legal world that fucked up?

How can they win? The way they've been winning so far.
They file a claim..the defedant doesn't show up, they win by default!

Name an adult industry person that has shown up to court to fight them. I could be wrong (and hope I am), but it seems they either settle out of court or just turn tale when taken to court.

07-24-2003, 05:41 PM	#1
boobmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,185	Has anyone stopped offering video? Has anyone who runs a pay site in here stopped offering video? This is what I am considering doing .... dumping ALL video from my pay sites then mailing cds of all the videos which were available on my site to members who sign up. Every month mail them a new CD. (1) Would they still have a case since I would no longer be using their technology? (2) Would they still try to go after me for back licensing fees? Usually a patent owner or a copyright owner will give someone the opportunity to stop infringing before making them pay. (3) If they did want royalties, would they want them based on my gross sales for the entire year or just for the six months I used video? I realize that by doing this I would see a sharp decrease in memberships but I'd rather not make any money at all then pay them a fucking nickle. Besides, once their little patent is ruled invalid I will be coming after them for any and all lost revenues.

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BigFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,057	no, that is not the way to do it. i alluded to a solution earlier, and i seriously think this is the way to go about it....at least for the people that dont provide plugins and streams..... zip up every video you have to offer your members. acacia doesnt have a patent on codecs or the process for downloading files from the internet. suck my left nut acacia of course, this doesnt help movie gallery advertisers or plugin/stream people, so in the end the fight must still go on. still, im going to be zipping up every video on my site from now on.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	From what I heard and read they claim to have the patents on anyway video gets to the customer on the net.

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StacyCat Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,167	How can they prove that you have used videos? Are the buying memberships to the sites to capture the pages that have the information? I havent offered videos on the site yet, and I will probably wait until this thing gets settled before deciding to offer them.