Did Berman lie about affiliates yesterday? - GoFuckYourself.com

Sly_RJ · 07-30-2003, 07:02 PM

After I listened to the interview yesterday, my take was that basic affiliates would not need to sign any license or pay fees. The companies paying fees would be the paysite owners, content producers (assuming they have preview video clips), and a few other select companies. But definitely not the typical affiliate.

Today we have a webmaster that runs a simple TGP, yet he receives the professionally done ACACIA packet. Supposedly he called up Berman and was basically told "tough shit, pay up".

So what I'm getting out of this, is affiliates are still going to be required to pay the licensing fee. Am I missing something here?

Amputate Your Head · 07-30-2003, 07:02 PM

Berman sucks uncut cock.

Juicy D. Links · 07-30-2003, 07:03 PM

Watch mark my words Acacia is a wanna be mob doing shakedowns they will get fucked at the end
Berman can suck my left nut as well

detoxed · 07-30-2003, 07:05 PM

He has a completely different definition of the word affiliate than we do. He also said they only wanted a percentage of subscription sales. Nothing was said about sites that dont charge.

Sly_RJ · 07-30-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
He has a completely different definition of the word affiliate than we do. He also said they only wanted a percentage of subscription sales. Nothing was said about sites that dont charge.

No, I'm referring to the proper definition of affiliate. The type of affiliate that signs up to a sponsor program. He clearly stated that these type of affiliates would not need to pay the fees or sign the agreement due to "double-dipping".

They're trying to double-dip. I knew they would. Never believe someone else's lawyer.

Spunky · 07-30-2003, 07:14 PM

If he did say that and then on the other hand "supposedly" threatoned a small TGP. You can use his statements as evidence and any judge would throw the case out.

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
If he did say that and then on the other hand "supposedly" threatoned a small TGP. You can use his statements as evidence and any judge would throw the case out.

Man wtf I will call this motherfucker back and record it. Theres NO "supposedly" goin on here. This is what he told me. If I wanted to enter in to a license he will talk with me. This fucker is gettin me hot now

Spunky · 07-30-2003, 07:25 PM

I'm calling Bullshit.Why the fuck would they waste valuable resources on some 500 hit per day TGP?. They already stated they are going after Sponsors and paysites.Either this is some bullshit story to trump up your post count or somebody is fucking lying.
Post some fucking proof, because I don't believe a fucking word of this bullshit.

Gutterboy · 07-30-2003, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
I'm calling Bullshit.Why the fuck would they waste valuable resources on some 500 hit per day TGP?. They already stated they are going after Sponsors and paysites.Either this is some bullshit story to trump up your post count or somebody is fucking lying.
Post some fucking proof, because I don't believe a fucking word of this bullshit.

He's not lying. Acacia really is that stupid.

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
I'm calling Bullshit.Why the fuck would they waste valuable resources on some 500 hit per day TGP?. They already stated they are going after Sponsors and paysites.Either this is some bullshit story to trump up your post count or somebody is fucking lying.
Post some fucking proof, because I don't believe a fucking word of this bullshit.

OK spunk face wtf do you want me to post jerk off. And the tgp only gets 25-30 hits a day. Ya pump my post count with NO SIG AT ALL come the fuck on man

Honeyslut · 07-30-2003, 07:34 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by detoxed
He has a completely different definition of the word affiliate than we do. He also said they only wanted a percentage of subscription sales. Nothing was said about sites that dont charge. [/QUOT

Interesting ! ( light goes on )

FlyingIguana · 07-30-2003, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

No, I'm referring to the proper definition of affiliate. The type of affiliate that signs up to a sponsor program. He clearly stated that these type of affiliates would not need to pay the fees or sign the agreement due to "double-dipping".

They're trying to double-dip. I knew they would. Never believe someone else's lawyer.

i'll double dip my sack in their mouth

Spunky · 07-30-2003, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day

OK spunk face wtf do you want me to post jerk off. And the tgp only gets 25-30 hits a day. Ya pump my post count with NO SIG AT ALL come the fuck on man

Whos talking about sigs? You try a lame attempt at bullshitting us and you got caught.Yea you had your hand on the record button on every phone call you get.Fuck off you noob. Go try and sucker some other Noobs at another board because I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday moron.
Man I cant believe people actually think people would buy that crap.
Your fucking bullshitting.

Spunky · 07-30-2003, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Gutterboy

He's not lying. Acacia really is that stupid.

Your just as stupid as he is if you believe a word out this Noobs mouth.

AdultKing · 07-30-2003, 07:38 PM

I have said all this before but it's important to understand the distinction between a "CLAIM" and a "PROVEN RIGHT".

Acacia have made an ambit claim based on their belief they own all the patents necessary to say they own the process of sending video over the net.

They have not yet proved their claim, some people have signed licence agreements with Acacia however to do so is only to make the business decision that settling is easier than fighting.

Acacia do not own all the patents necessary to say they have complete ownership of the process of making video available on the net, they have a collection of patents that have undetermined value as no test has been made of their claims.

If you settle with Acacia, do so on the basis that (1) you are simply doing it as an initially low cost way to set the issue aside (2) that if the patents are invalidated or if it is proven that their collection of patents does not give them ownership of the process of streaming that any agreement you make is void.

BigFrog · 07-30-2003, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day

OK spunk face wtf do you want me to post jerk off. And the tgp only gets 25-30 hits a day. Ya pump my post count with NO SIG AT ALL come the fuck on man

how about your letter from acacia....if you actually did get one.

Sly_RJ · 07-30-2003, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day

OK spunk face wtf do you want me to post jerk off. And the tgp only gets 25-30 hits a day. Ya pump my post count with NO SIG AT ALL come the fuck on man

Write "go fuck yourself" on the packet and take a picture of it. This is ridiculous.

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by BigFrog

how about your letter from acacia....if you actually did get one.

Let me try to find my junk digi cam. I am holding the packet BRB jerk-offs

boobmaster · 07-30-2003, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Berman sucks uncut cock.

If you DON'T have a packet by now you're sure as hell doing everything you can to get one.

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Write "go fuck yourself" on the packet and take a picture of it. This is ridiculous.

10 minutes. I need to figure out how. I will write GFY SPUNKY1 BRB

GFED · 07-30-2003, 07:43 PM

interesting...

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 07:44 PM

ok runnin to moms to get a cam you fucktards

boobmaster · 07-30-2003, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

No, I'm referring to the proper definition of affiliate. The type of affiliate that signs up to a sponsor program. He clearly stated that these type of affiliates would not need to pay the fees or sign the agreement due to "double-dipping".

They're trying to double-dip. I knew they would. Never believe someone else's lawyer.

Double dip? How about tripple dip! If you own a pay site, shoot your own content, and are an affiliate of another pay site, you would have to pay THREE licensing fees.

Spunky · 07-30-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
ok runnin to moms to get a cam you fucktards

OK ..We are waiting for your piece of paper that says GFY SPUNKY1 on it

BigFrog · 07-30-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster

Double dip? How about tripple dip! If you own a pay site, shoot your own content, and are an affiliate of another pay site, you would have to pay THREE licensing fees.

hey! that's me!

but i havent received a packet yet.....

boobmaster · 07-30-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

OK ..We are waiting for your piece of paper that says GFY SPUNKY1 on it

Do you really think this guy would get all worked up like this if he was running a hoax? I don't think he's lying!

Spunky · 07-30-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster

Do you really think this guy would get all worked up like this if he was running a hoax? I don't think he's lying!

Don't believe everything you read on a BBS.
He has nothing

BigFrog · 07-30-2003, 07:57 PM

i like how he was going to use his crap digital cam, then he needed 10 minutes to figure out how to work it, then he needed to go over to his moms for a digital cam..............

signs of a liar?

Sly_RJ · 07-30-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by BigFrog
i like how he was going to use his crap digital cam, then he needed 10 minutes to figure out how to work it, then he needed to go over to his moms for a digital cam..............

signs of a liar?

How is that signs of a liar? It's signs of a guy who can't find his cam.

Now if he never comes back, that would be a sign of a liar.

boobmaster · 07-30-2003, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

How is that signs of a liar? It's signs of a guy who can't find his cam.

Now if he never comes back, that would be a sign of a liar.

BigFrog · 07-30-2003, 08:02 PM

well, i hope he doesnt come back with a crap photoshop job of charlie's package....

actually, that would be funny.

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 08:05 PM

my husband just bought the camera @ walgreens. He will be back in 10 minutes

BigFrog · 07-30-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
my husband just bought the camera @ walgreens. He will be back in 10 minutes

uh huh

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 08:08 PM

uh huh what prick

LadyMischief · 07-30-2003, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

No, I'm referring to the proper definition of affiliate. The type of affiliate that signs up to a sponsor program. He clearly stated that these type of affiliates would not need to pay the fees or sign the agreement due to "double-dipping".

They're trying to double-dip. I knew they would. Never believe someone else's lawyer.

Actually, legally, that is NOT the proper definition of affiliate. The proper definition of affiliate is the way he described it. Legally what we call an "affiliate" is actually a contract type marketer working on a percentage basis.. not much different than someone who sells Watsons or Avon. Our "affiliates" don't have a vested interest in the company. I think perhaps, however, Acacia may not have fully educated themselves about TGP's, and if they are sending packages to TGP owners, they are "double dipping" the income stream. If people let them know, they may drop cases against these people.

BigFrog · 07-30-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
uh huh what prick

nothing. i just dont believe you either.

moms camera, cant find the camera, bought the camera today, cant figure out how to work the camera.....
which is it?

oh, nevermind....

plexer · 07-30-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Berman sucks uncut cock.

"uncut cock." That's the funniest thing i every heard!

boobmaster · 07-30-2003, 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
my husband just bought the camera @ walgreens. He will be back in 10 minutes

When you get around to posting the Acacia packet pic, post a pic of your tits along with it.

boobmaster · 07-30-2003, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by plexer

"uncut cock." That's the funniest thing i every heard!

You must not get out much!

Sly_RJ · 07-30-2003, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Actually, legally, that is NOT the proper definition of affiliate. The proper definition of affiliate is the way he described it. Legally what we call an "affiliate" is actually a contract type marketer working on a percentage basis.. not much different than someone who sells Watsons or Avon. Our "affiliates" don't have a vested interest in the company. I think perhaps, however, Acacia may not have fully educated themselves about TGP's, and if they are sending packages to TGP owners, they are "double dipping" the income stream. If people let them know, they may drop cases against these people.

Please point out where I mentioned anything about the legal definition of affiliate?

I mentioned "the proper definition of affiliate" as I was referring to detoxed comment. I know what the proper definition of affiliate is, and I also know what our definition of affiliate is. I also know that it was stated that our version of affiliate would not need to pay any fees or sign any licenses because the paysite owner would cover that.

Veterans Day · 07-30-2003, 08:14 PM

allright im back with my 42.69 cent cmaera from walgreens. 5 minutes to take pic and upload

Scootermuze · 07-30-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster

Double dip? How about tripple dip! If you own a pay site, shoot your own content, and are an affiliate of another pay site, you would have to pay THREE licensing fees.

Not true in any sense...

The only obligation, if it turns out there is one would be with the paysite that uses the shot content.

If he shoots his own content and has sample feeds on his content site, and licenses this content site, then uses this content on his own site, the content license also covers his paysite in that he is an 'affiliate' (legally speaking)..

Being an 'affiliate', as the term applies in webmaster programs, has no bearing on the licensing.. The paysite with which he is affiliated is where the licensing liability lies..

So .. if Acacia wins, or if he chooses to pay, he is obligated to pay for one license..

LadyMischief · 07-30-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Please point out where I mentioned anything about the legal definition of affiliate?

I mentioned "the proper definition of affiliate" as I was referring to detoxed comment. I know what the proper definition of affiliate is, and I also know what our definition of affiliate is. I also know that it was stated that our version of affiliate would not need to pay any fees or sign any licenses because the paysite owner would cover that.

Yes dear down boy.. I was clarifying

Most people don't KNOW what the difference between the two is, and a lot of people are going to get sucked in just because they don't know the distinction between the two

But you are correct Acacia IS double dipping, and I don't care who knows it, I think Berman was blowing smoke up everyone's asses.. He was way too evasive. There's somethign fishy about the deal, and I think Acacia is worried.

Sly_RJ · 07-30-2003, 08:17 PM

Yes, you're right. I also think a lot of people are confused about the whole "interview". Some things just didn't make sense. Who knows. Whatever.

Go IMPAI!

The Other Steve · 07-30-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Actually, legally, that is NOT the proper definition of affiliate. The proper definition of affiliate is the way he described it. Legally what we call an "affiliate" is actually a contract type marketer working on a percentage basis.. not much different than someone who sells Watsons or Avon. Our "affiliates" don't have a vested interest in the company. I think perhaps, however, Acacia may not have fully educated themselves about TGP's, and if they are sending packages to TGP owners, they are "double dipping" the income stream. If people let them know, they may drop cases against these people.

Your absolutely right - they don't understand our terminology and most of the people on this board don't understand their terminology.

LadyMischief · 07-30-2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Yes, you're right. I also think a lot of people are confused about the whole "interview". Some things just didn't make sense. Who knows. Whatever.

Go IMPAI!

D-Money did a valiant job of trying to get him to answer his questions. Too bad Berman used the whole platform is a means of forwarding the interests of acacia, and did very little actual informing when all was said and done.

Sly_RJ · 07-30-2003, 08:27 PM

He's a lawyer with an agenda. There was really nothing else to expect.

boobmaster · 07-30-2003, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
allright im back with my 42.69 cent cmaera from walgreens. 5 minutes to take pic and upload

It's been five minutes!

GFED · 07-30-2003, 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

D-Money did a valiant job of trying to get him to answer his questions. Too bad Berman used the whole platform is a means of forwarding the interests of acacia, and did very little actual informing when all was said and done.

Berman knew exactly what questions were going to be asked. He knew exactly what he wanted to say. He had his speech prepared and at one point wouldn't shut the fuck up.

He just had to wait for his queues. Anything that was important was avoided... I'll have to talk with my engineers... blah blah...

StupidNewbie · 07-30-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
allright im back with my 42.69 cent cmaera from walgreens. 5 minutes to take pic and upload

write "go fuck yourself" on your tits and post.

07-30-2003, 07:02 PM	#1
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Did Berman lie about affiliates yesterday? After I listened to the interview yesterday, my take was that basic affiliates would not need to sign any license or pay fees. The companies paying fees would be the paysite owners, content producers (assuming they have preview video clips), and a few other select companies. But definitely not the typical affiliate. Today we have a webmaster that runs a simple TGP, yet he receives the professionally done ACACIA packet. Supposedly he called up Berman and was basically told "tough shit, pay up". So what I'm getting out of this, is affiliates are still going to be required to pay the licensing fee. Am I missing something here? __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,947	If he did say that and then on the other hand "supposedly" threatoned a small TGP. You can use his statements as evidence and any judge would throw the case out. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

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Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,947	I'm calling Bullshit.Why the fuck would they waste valuable resources on some 500 hit per day TGP?. They already stated they are going after Sponsors and paysites.Either this is some bullshit story to trump up your post count or somebody is fucking lying. Post some fucking proof, because I don't believe a fucking word of this bullshit. __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

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Honeyslut Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ass Valley, Ca Posts: 6,436	[QUOTE]Originally posted by detoxed He has a completely different definition of the word affiliate than we do. He also said they only wanted a percentage of subscription sales. Nothing was said about sites that dont charge. [/QUOT Interesting ! ( light goes on ) __________________ http://nakedlunchnews.comWhat's up ? Naked Lunch News !

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Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Watch mark my words Acacia is a wanna be mob doing shakedowns they will get fucked at the end Berman can suck my left nut as well

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detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	He has a completely different definition of the word affiliate than we do. He also said they only wanted a percentage of subscription sales. Nothing was said about sites that dont charge.

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AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	I have said all this before but it's important to understand the distinction between a "CLAIM" and a "PROVEN RIGHT". Acacia have made an ambit claim based on their belief they own all the patents necessary to say they own the process of sending video over the net. They have not yet proved their claim, some people have signed licence agreements with Acacia however to do so is only to make the business decision that settling is easier than fighting. Acacia do not own all the patents necessary to say they have complete ownership of the process of making video available on the net, they have a collection of patents that have undetermined value as no test has been made of their claims. If you settle with Acacia, do so on the basis that (1) you are simply doing it as an initially low cost way to set the issue aside (2) that if the patents are invalidated or if it is proven that their collection of patents does not give them ownership of the process of streaming that any agreement you make is void.

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GFED Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8,120	interesting... __________________ https://www.flow.page/savethechildren

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Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	ok runnin to moms to get a cam you fucktards

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BigFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,057	i like how he was going to use his crap digital cam, then he needed 10 minutes to figure out how to work it, then he needed to go over to his moms for a digital cam.............. signs of a liar?

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BigFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,057	well, i hope he doesnt come back with a crap photoshop job of charlie's package.... actually, that would be funny.

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Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	my husband just bought the camera @ walgreens. He will be back in 10 minutes

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Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	uh huh what prick

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Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	allright im back with my 42.69 cent cmaera from walgreens. 5 minutes to take pic and upload

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Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Yes, you're right. I also think a lot of people are confused about the whole "interview". Some things just didn't make sense. Who knows. Whatever. Go IMPAI! __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

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Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	He's a lawyer with an agenda. There was really nothing else to expect. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144