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Old 08-06-2003, 04:26 PM   #51
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WTF?

MikeAI

Send me the email you supposedly sent me in March?
I just looked thru all my email and I have nothing from you.
The first I heard from you was two days ago on the 4th when
you took my domain. Please send me this mystery letter
from March, you have my email addy.

Its very strange, I could post many emails here that I have
sent/received since March, or since I opened my free host for that matter.
I email with Telefono Arcobaleno, the center for exploited and
missing children, us customs , and the FBI. Every time one of
those SICK pedo fuckers sneaks into my free host, I send a email to ALL the above
agencies telling them the action I have taken, and all
the info I have on the abuser.
I take pedo shit very seriously. I do everything in my power to
not have it get into my free host, and when it does, I do everything in my power to burn the abuser.
Last month I worked with a Canadian Law enforcement officer in a pedo case.
They arrested the guy also. So don't tell me you guys informed me in March...That's BS.
I would have dealt with it immediatly. I don't fuck around with it. So send me this email you say you
sent in March, I'll be glad to post it here for all to read.
And IF by some freek occurrence you did send me a email in March, and I somehow
didn't get it, answer me this:

1 Why didn't you send a 2nd email in the last 5 months?
2 Why did you wait 5 months before taking my domain.
3 How did you find this illegel content when Telefono, my scripts, or anyone else did?

Makes no sense...

I have several free host and have been in business several years.
When I get a abuse email, be it spam, KP, Copyright, whatever, it is dealt with quick.
Ask Steve Easton about me, ask Telofono about me. I don't play with that sick shit.
So you guys are saying you knew of a url on my free host that contained KP 5 months ago.
You say you sent me a email.
You say I did nothing.
You say you waited five months while I did nothing.
Did you check once a month to see if the KP was still there or something?!?
WTF...
Anyway, please send me this email you say you sent 5 months ago to my email addy on file at DirectNic.
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:26 PM   #52
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A true business man tries to understand the world as it is (not as it should be according to you) and build his/her business based on these facts!

That is complete bullshit. if this were true there would be no such thing as innovation since no one would bother to create things for which there is no market for, or create a market for it, or come up with new ideas.
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:32 PM   #53
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m00d, this is not the forum to post e-mails. You have been in touch with out legal team, and customer support. I looked into it, spoke with the person who was handling the account and made a post to contradict your false accusations.

Unfortunately, I cannot go into this farther on a message board. You have been in touch with the legal department, it is between you and them to work it out.

DirectNIC is not in the busniess to alienate our customers, we do everything we possibly can to make our customers happy. We know they have many choices as to where they can register their domains, thus we work hard to keep their busniess.
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:33 PM   #54
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Mike AI, then that is good enough for me

We are on a forum here and as im sure you know most posters are not privy to the facts of a particular case (nor expect to be), but what we can do is discuss general issues surrounding such actions..

I was wondering what you thought about my point regarding the Feds no longer requiring a court order to force a Registrar to place a domain name on hold or otherwise transfer it to them? Is this now the case?
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:34 PM   #55
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m00d, I have looked into this situation. Apaprently this issue of KP has been going on since March. ( You had over 5 months to get your house in order) Why didn't you take it down when you were notified? We even were sent multible spams with KP coming from this domain.

We handle millions of domains, without exception if we notify someone about KP being on their domain, it is take down immediately and everything is fine. This is what legitimate businesses, and ethical people do.

To keep it up for months can mean one of 2 things: 1) You did not care and do not handle your business or 2) you wanted the kp there.

It is not uncommon for "Free Hosts" to be fronts from KP operations.
Well then, that is a completely different story. If the guy had warnings about the CP being hosted on his site and still failed to remove it then his domain should be deactivated and the correct authorities notified. If you're not against it and are helping to distribute it then you deserve to be thrown into jail and hopefully everyone there will know where you are there and treat you accordingly
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:35 PM   #56
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I do tech support for Mood's host. We do everything in our power to keep CP out of our system. It is by far our number one priority here. We immediately respond to any complaint, I can say with 100% certainty that no email ever got past mood and 2 support staff about CP or from directnic. It is impossible. We do EVERYTHING we can to keep pedos away. We block usernames, IPs, email addresses, keywords,key letters, and log every concievable word or phrase or file name that is associated with CP. We watch traffic patterns, logs, bandwidth. We don't have Lolita/teen categories. We are a small company that tries to stay in business and keep our jobs. We are NOT a front for CP operation. To suggest that we are anything but horrified and infuriated that this crap exists is vile. Shame on Directnic.com!
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:36 PM   #57
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... because they fight childporn ?
I haven't read the rest of the posts yet but cmon man you have to be joking with this kind of attitude.

No legitimate webmaster wants to see shit like that on the web, not only is it bad for the kids but its also bad for adult business, nobody is arguing against that.

The point being that a lot of webmasters rely on freehosts for their galleries, half the porn on the web is freehosted, how fucked off would you be if you had a shit load of galleries on say freehostempire.com and suddenly they all got deleted because ONE account uploaded something illegal.

There is simply no justice in closing a freehost down for the reasons stated, if they do it to m00d then they should do it to everybody.

You think anybody would have the balls to pull the plug on Yahoo, anybody who don't think yahoo is rife with KP needs a reality check.

This case smells of fish
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:39 PM   #58
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Notjoe, I believe that can be a rather over simplistic view when such cases are not as clear and involve complex issues. There is and should always be a due process of law applied as opposed to wild hysterics and rash judgements.
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:41 PM   #59
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props to directnic for reacting quickly. then again a little too quickly, considering a freehost really can't monitor all its contents perfectly.

contacting the admin should have been the first thing to do, followed by putting the domain on hold after failing to comply.
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That's exactly what should have happened but it didn't turn out liker that.

Its one of the most unfair things I have heard happen in a long time, directnic should turn his domain back on ASAP and allow him to continue to run his freehost.

Some of you people agreeing with the actions of directnic need your heads testing they are WELL out of order
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Old 08-06-2003, 04:42 PM   #60
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Can we please not have another "guilty until proven innocent" thread on GFY? Shit happens. I couldn't get any email for nearly 3 days. Maybe he didn't get it, I doubt a front for KP would be bringing their shit to the boards when they were caught.

Also, who needs another thread for gothweb to step in and say if he was doing it there would never be a problem.
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m00d, why don't you post the e-mail our legal department sent you. I have a copy of it. It is pretty interesting. Surely you have it.

Post it in it's entirety... I think it explains everything very well.
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I do tech support for Mood's host. We do everything in our power to keep CP out of our system. It is by far our number one priority here. We immediately respond to any complaint, I can say with 100% certainty that no email ever got past mood and 2 support staff about CP or from directnic. It is impossible. We do EVERYTHING we can to keep pedos away. We block usernames, IPs, email addresses, keywords,key letters, and log every concievable word or phrase or file name that is associated with CP. We watch traffic patterns, logs, bandwidth. We don't have Lolita/teen categories. We are a small company that tries to stay in business and keep our jobs. We are NOT a front for CP operation. To suggest that we are anything but horrified and infuriated that this crap exists is vile. Shame on Directnic.com!
Add a lawsuit for slander onto the one for deactivating the domain name
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I do tech support for Mood's host. We do everything in our power to keep CP out of our system. It is by far our number one priority here. We immediately respond to any complaint, I can say with 100% certainty that no email ever got past mood and 2 support staff about CP or from directnic. It is impossible. We do EVERYTHING we can to keep pedos away. We block usernames, IPs, email addresses, keywords,key letters, and log every concievable word or phrase or file name that is associated with CP. We watch traffic patterns, logs, bandwidth. We don't have Lolita/teen categories. We are a small company that tries to stay in business and keep our jobs. We are NOT a front for CP operation. To suggest that we are anything but horrified and infuriated that this crap exists is vile. Shame on Directnic.com!
Doubt it helps but I believe you.

This thread would make no sense otherwise.

DirectNIC, swap roles for a minute. What if someone found out that a KP domain was registered through you. They got your resale privalages revoked from ICANN. You email ICANN and they tell you they can't help you until their investigation is over and you should have booted it when they sent an email. You never got an email, and now you have lost all of your business because of some fucked mailserver or whatever.

You would call bullshit too.
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I have all my non pedo domains with direct nic!

They are great..

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m00d, I have looked into this situation. Apaprently this issue of KP has been going on since March. ( You had over 5 months to get your house in order) Why didn't you take it down when you were notified? We even were sent multible spams with KP coming from this domain.

We handle millions of domains, without exception if we notify someone about KP being on their domain, it is take down immediately and everything is fine. This is what legitimate businesses, and ethical people do.

To keep it up for months can mean one of 2 things: 1) You did not care and do not handle your business or 2) you wanted the kp there.

It is not uncommon for "Free Hosts" to be fronts from KP operations.
I knew I could smell fish, ignore my previous comments there is obviously more to this complaint than meets the eye.

m00d if you have failed to remove that this off your host as claimed the FUCK YOU go cry me a river, my arguments have been to protect responsible freehosts and you obviously are not in that league.
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AssFairy, you might not realize this - but the owners of DirectNIC were at one time the largest free hosts in the adult biz. We understand the challenges of free hosting better then anyone, and work hard with all of our customers.

Do you really think we want to alienate our customers and lose business?
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AssFairy, you might not realize this - but the owners of DirectNIC were at one time the largest free hosts in the adult biz. We understand the challenges of free hosting better then anyone, and work hard with all of our customers.

Do you really think we want to alienate our customers and lose business?
When you have millions of domain names registered through you what is a couple of thousand domain names anyways ;)

None the less, if you guys didnt give him warning and what you say isnt the truth i hope they sue the shit out of you guys.. if what you say is true then i have to give you a congrats on a job well done.. heres a ^5
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Fine Mike, I won't speak of this again on this board, just please
send me that March email you say you sent. If there is indeed
CP on one of my servers, i'd like to delete the fucking shit.

BTW guys, if anyone thinks a USA based free host would knowingly allow CP...You got your head WAY up your ass. Being a free host is EXTREAMLY risky at best. Allowing CP would land your ass in the slammer in a NY minute. I say hang all CPers by the balls until they rot.

NO ONE HATES CP MORE THAN A FREE HOST.

Fuck it,

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Of course not Mike AI. there is no doubt about it that DirectNic is a first class Registrar and no one wishes to impune your good and solid reputation. but there are legitimate questions regarding issues of policy and whether DirectNic intends to place on hold or transfer domain names based on demands by often overbearing law enforcement agencies (without a court order?)
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Of course not Mike AI. there is no doubt about it that DirectNic is a first class Registrar and no one wishes to impune your good and solid reputation. but there are legitimate questions regarding issues of policy and whether DirectNic intends to place on hold or transfer domain names based on demands by often overbearing law enforcement agencies (without a court order?)
I would like to know this too.. Is direcnic the new Judge/Jury/Executioner?
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AssFairy, you might not realize this - but the owners of DirectNIC were at one time the largest free hosts in the adult biz. We understand the challenges of free hosting better then anyone, and work hard with all of our customers.

Do you really think we want to alienate our customers and lose business?
No I wouldn't expect you to act in a wrongful manner however the opening of this thread points the total blame in your direction and that's what prompted my replies, reading further there is obviously more to this.

I don't know the guy but my best guess is that he missed your mail and if you never sent a reminder in 5 months before putting his domain on hold then there is still a strong smell of fish.

I doubt any freehost would want this shit on their servers and it would appear that they make an effort to keep it clean, I'm gonna keep my opinions to myself for a while and see how it turns out.
If he is guilty then let him burn but if there has just been a lack of communication then get his shit back up ASAP
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Rebel - NotJoe if you that concerned, please e-mail legalreplies AT intercosmos DOT com

I am sure you will get the answer you are looking for. You have to remember its not only the Federal Gov't you have to deal with, but also ICANN. ( they make all the rules, and require us to enforce them)
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AssFairy you bring up many good points, but the reality is we do not have the luxury of trying to speculate on why something is done or not done. We can only make decision on the facts as we know them.
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Mike AI, that is fair enough for me. your word here is good enough than anything else

although I can't speak for Notjoe!
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AssFairy you bring up many good points, but the reality is we do not have the luxury of trying to speculate on why something is done or not done. We can only make decision on the facts as we know them.
He claims you waited 5 months before taking action an an e-mail he claims he never received, something is not right here ... WHY did you wait 5 months?

If he has shown to cooperate with the authorities in the past then why would he not cooperate with you?

None of this makes any sense and if he is innocent (and it looks very likely) then you should work with him QUICKLY to resolve this issue.
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Rebel - NotJoe if you that concerned, please e-mail legalreplies AT intercosmos DOT com

I am sure you will get the answer you are looking for. You have to remember its not only the Federal Gov't you have to deal with, but also ICANN. ( they make all the rules, and require us to enforce them)
I have ran free hosting before, for about two years, with millions of hits daily + thousands of webmasters. I have dealt with more than my fair share of child porn in my days and i can honestly say that this is the first time i've ever heard of this. The worst which ever happened was us getting null routed because of some spammer but then again, i delete all accounts which i could find/were reported instantly.

I know tucows never gave any greif over it.
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AssFairy, I don't know if these issues are for public consumption although I agree with you that there are general issues of concern but Mike AI is not willing to go into it and I do not blame him because of possible legal implications.

Mike AI, I hope you do not take my comments as discourteous, there is no doubt DirectNic is a first class operation and that you have many happy customers.
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AssFairy, you might not realize this - but the owners of DirectNIC were at one time the largest free hosts in the adult biz.
Hmmm...wonder what ever happened to Wolfshade?
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I apologize for not being able to answer all the questions, many I do not know the answers to. I am only a small owner in DirectNIC, and spend all of my time running my own business interests. ( see sig below)

An imporant lesson that can be learned here... if anyone is having any issues with DirectNIC on GFY - e-mail ME! michael at directnic dot com

I will get someone to look into it immediately.

While I have no day to day responsibility with the company, I still have a little pull over there.


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AssFairy, you might not realize this - but the owners of DirectNIC were at one time the largest free hosts in the adult biz. We understand the challenges of free hosting better then anyone, and work hard with all of our customers.

Do you really think we want to alienate our customers and lose business?
I know I must have had 30+ site's there, now you got's all of'em. God's going 2 get you.
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Hmmm...wonder what ever happened to Wolfshade?
I've wonder that many times. I like him a lot.
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JimmyF this link does not work on your sig....
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