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Theo · 08-09-2003, 07:37 AM

there are few 100s that have spent money,time and effort and got back a dick as result.

I spent the last few days doing some research for the SEs and i have seen giga matrixes with 1000s domains and so called sophisticated scripts, some of them with good pr and they get nothing for traffic. No wonder we have thousands adult domains expiring every day

CAHEK · 08-09-2003, 07:59 AM

spam is a big problem that has been around for a long time but sadly, it will never go away. As hard was we try to get laws passed and report spammers they will not stop. Last year i did a research paper and it was all about spam. What i found out is that spammers do not host thier pages in the usa, they use anonymous offshore bulletproof servers in hong kong, china, korea, russia, sweden, canada, and a list of others. The problem is that these bulletproof hosts simply don't care if thier customers spam to the pages because there are no cyber crimes in these countries. Countries like china and hong kong know that spam can bring them lots of cash without very many problems. I'm sure the usa won't declare war on them for ignoring spam complaints, no other country will care because they are all getting thier share of the money too. While doing my research i found a forum of people who were all spammers, i can't remember the name but they had about 500 members who often posted information such as affiliate networks that allowed you to spam, email lists for sale, bulletproof hosting, and even hacked computers that ran proxy servers in order to avoid getting cought. When i read all this i quickly came to the thought that these spammers are nothing but scum and a parasite to online users. But then i ran into the people who are doing everything they can to fight the war against spam. These people are known as anti-spammers and sometimes do crazy things to try and stop a spammer. One anti-spammer got an email from a company offering mortgage loans, he quickly did a trace route to find the isp and every phone number he could. He then got on his phone and began to place calls to the isp, the domain register and the isp of the ip that was showed in the headers. He then sent emails to the isp's and filed complaints. He then made another post talking about how he wasted 2 hours on the phone talking to isp's about the person who sent him the spam but it did not help because they just ignored his complaint. He then claimed that this is why he hates spam, because it often makes him call up a few people and argue for long periods of time but i then thought to myself. If he would just click that box thats to the left of his email and click delete it would have only taken him 5 seconds and he could have moved on with his life. Anti spammers often claim that spam takes up lots of time, but they would rather spend many hours a week on the phone and sending emails complaining about the spam they recieved in thier mailbox. Now i can understand being angry about recieving 200 spam emails a day like most anti spammers claim but there is a reason why they do get so much spam. As it turns out, anti spammers don't just get spam out of nowhere, they go around the internet and put out thier email address everywhere and anywhere they can, often in newsgroups and the guestbooks that some sites have. They place thier email in sites that are known to resell your email address to spammers. I thought this was flat out stupid, i see so many posts of anti spammers complaining about how many emails they get but the only reason they get it is because they go around the internet to attract it on purpose and then file complaints to the isp's. The thing is that most of these sites will say that they have the right to do whatever they want to your email address and are allowed to sell it and that your email address may be sold to a spammer. But Isn't submitting thier address everywhere doing so the exact opposite of thier goals? They claim they don't want spam and don't want to waste time because of spam. But when they go around and do this it makes me think that they are just people with nothing better to do so they complain. But this is not the only action they take against spam. Often they will perform a DDoS on the hosting company and sometimes even the routers of the isp of the ip in the mail headers in order to discourage spamming. They also make bomb threats, murder threats, and will even go as far as stealing the spammers cars.

FATPad · 08-09-2003, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by CAHEK
spam is a big problem that has been around for a long time but sadly, it will never go away. As hard was we try to get laws passed and report spammers they will not stop. Last year i did a research paper and it was all about spam. What i found out is that spammers do not host thier pages in the usa, they use anonymous offshore bulletproof servers in hong kong, china, korea, russia, sweden, canada, and a list of others. The problem is that these bulletproof hosts simply don't care if thier customers spam to the pages because there are no cyber crimes in these countries. Countries like china and hong kong know that spam can bring them lots of cash without very many problems. I'm sure the usa won't declare war on them for ignoring spam complaints, no other country will care because they are all getting thier share of the money too. While doing my research i found a forum of people who were all spammers, i can't remember the name but they had about 500 members who often posted information such as affiliate networks that allowed you to spam, email lists for sale, bulletproof hosting, and even hacked computers that ran proxy servers in order to avoid getting cought. When i read all this i quickly came to the thought that these spammers are nothing but scum and a parasite to online users. But then i ran into the people who are doing everything they can to fight the war against spam. These people are known as anti-spammers and sometimes do crazy things to try and stop a spammer. One anti-spammer got an email from a company offering mortgage loans, he quickly did a trace route to find the isp and every phone number he could. He then got on his phone and began to place calls to the isp, the domain register and the isp of the ip that was showed in the headers. He then sent emails to the isp's and filed complaints. He then made another post talking about how he wasted 2 hours on the phone talking to isp's about the person who sent him the spam but it did not help because they just ignored his complaint. He then claimed that this is why he hates spam, because it often makes him call up a few people and argue for long periods of time but i then thought to myself. If he would just click that box thats to the left of his email and click delete it would have only taken him 5 seconds and he could have moved on with his life. Anti spammers often claim that spam takes up lots of time, but they would rather spend many hours a week on the phone and sending emails complaining about the spam they recieved in thier mailbox. Now i can understand being angry about recieving 200 spam emails a day like most anti spammers claim but there is a reason why they do get so much spam. As it turns out, anti spammers don't just get spam out of nowhere, they go around the internet and put out thier email address everywhere and anywhere they can, often in newsgroups and the guestbooks that some sites have. They place thier email in sites that are known to resell your email address to spammers. I thought this was flat out stupid, i see so many posts of anti spammers complaining about how many emails they get but the only reason they get it is because they go around the internet to attract it on purpose and then file complaints to the isp's. The thing is that most of these sites will say that they have the right to do whatever they want to your email address and are allowed to sell it and that your email address may be sold to a spammer. But Isn't submitting thier address everywhere doing so the exact opposite of thier goals? They claim they don't want spam and don't want to waste time because of spam. But when they go around and do this it makes me think that they are just people with nothing better to do so they complain. But this is not the only action they take against spam. Often they will perform a DDoS on the hosting company and sometimes even the routers of the isp of the ip in the mail headers in order to discourage spamming. They also make bomb threats, murder threats, and will even go as far as stealing the spammers cars.

That is a damn big paragraph.

lil2rich4u2 · 08-09-2003, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
That is a damn big paragraph.

agreed lol

also i agree with soul rebel.

i have a few pages i bust my fucking ass on, real sites, real content and context, and plenty of debth.

optimized nicely, yet return very little hits.

Mr.Fiction · 08-09-2003, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
That is a damn big paragraph.

Without a few line returns it looks too big to read.

Theo · 08-09-2003, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

agreed lol

also i agree with soul rebel.

i have a few pages i bust my fucking ass on, real sites, real content and context, and plenty of debth.

optimized nicely, yet return very little hits.

your sites are not spam attempts. At least for google you'll find out that through time you'll get better ranks. Google has started paying attention on how long the domains is in their database. If you just register a domain and started working on it your chances to get decent amount of SE traffic is smaller than ever.

Honestly I believe building sites with content will benefit you more in the long run that chasing a 2 weeks top rank.

Manga1 · 08-09-2003, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

Honestly I believe building sites with content will benefit you more in the long run that chasing a 2 weeks top rank.

I always knew you were a smart guy. Content is king on Google.

DTK · 08-09-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by FATPad
That is a damn big paragraph.

Not only big, but completely irrelevant to Soul's point.

Tipsy · 08-09-2003, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by DTK

Not only big, but completely irrelevant to Soul's point.

I was going to ask if it had anything to say. Far too much effort to read until the guy learns how to use paragraphs.

08-09-2003, 07:37 AM	#1
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	for every successful SE spammer there are few 100s that have spent money,time and effort and got back a dick as result. I spent the last few days doing some research for the SEs and i have seen giga matrixes with 1000s domains and so called sophisticated scripts, some of them with good pr and they get nothing for traffic. No wonder we have thousands adult domains expiring every day

08-09-2003, 07:59 AM	#2
CAHEK C.C.C.P. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Novorossiya Posts: 7,061	spam is a big problem that has been around for a long time but sadly, it will never go away. As hard was we try to get laws passed and report spammers they will not stop. Last year i did a research paper and it was all about spam. What i found out is that spammers do not host thier pages in the usa, they use anonymous offshore bulletproof servers in hong kong, china, korea, russia, sweden, canada, and a list of others. The problem is that these bulletproof hosts simply don't care if thier customers spam to the pages because there are no cyber crimes in these countries. Countries like china and hong kong know that spam can bring them lots of cash without very many problems. I'm sure the usa won't declare war on them for ignoring spam complaints, no other country will care because they are all getting thier share of the money too. While doing my research i found a forum of people who were all spammers, i can't remember the name but they had about 500 members who often posted information such as affiliate networks that allowed you to spam, email lists for sale, bulletproof hosting, and even hacked computers that ran proxy servers in order to avoid getting cought. When i read all this i quickly came to the thought that these spammers are nothing but scum and a parasite to online users. But then i ran into the people who are doing everything they can to fight the war against spam. These people are known as anti-spammers and sometimes do crazy things to try and stop a spammer. One anti-spammer got an email from a company offering mortgage loans, he quickly did a trace route to find the isp and every phone number he could. He then got on his phone and began to place calls to the isp, the domain register and the isp of the ip that was showed in the headers. He then sent emails to the isp's and filed complaints. He then made another post talking about how he wasted 2 hours on the phone talking to isp's about the person who sent him the spam but it did not help because they just ignored his complaint. He then claimed that this is why he hates spam, because it often makes him call up a few people and argue for long periods of time but i then thought to myself. If he would just click that box thats to the left of his email and click delete it would have only taken him 5 seconds and he could have moved on with his life. Anti spammers often claim that spam takes up lots of time, but they would rather spend many hours a week on the phone and sending emails complaining about the spam they recieved in thier mailbox. Now i can understand being angry about recieving 200 spam emails a day like most anti spammers claim but there is a reason why they do get so much spam. As it turns out, anti spammers don't just get spam out of nowhere, they go around the internet and put out thier email address everywhere and anywhere they can, often in newsgroups and the guestbooks that some sites have. They place thier email in sites that are known to resell your email address to spammers. I thought this was flat out stupid, i see so many posts of anti spammers complaining about how many emails they get but the only reason they get it is because they go around the internet to attract it on purpose and then file complaints to the isp's. The thing is that most of these sites will say that they have the right to do whatever they want to your email address and are allowed to sell it and that your email address may be sold to a spammer. But Isn't submitting thier address everywhere doing so the exact opposite of thier goals? They claim they don't want spam and don't want to waste time because of spam. But when they go around and do this it makes me think that they are just people with nothing better to do so they complain. But this is not the only action they take against spam. Often they will perform a DDoS on the hosting company and sometimes even the routers of the isp of the ip in the mail headers in order to discourage spamming. They also make bomb threats, murder threats, and will even go as far as stealing the spammers cars. __________________ Pharma from True-Meds. High converting shop in Europe and USA, fast payouts via BTC !!!