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I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:07 AM

do you think if affiliate programs asked for company tax id's before they let webmasters join their program that would help the industry any?

the way i see it, to many people come to porn as a 'hobby' and not enough proper companie structures are set up, surely 'some' of the pressure being put on the industry as a whole could be alleviated if programs only let webmasters with corporate tax codes join their programs.

some programs require this anyway but, if you do not have one they will also allow you to use their program by entering your SSI number, surely it would benefit affiliate programs 'long term' to weed out the people who are hobbiests at this.

anyone have any serious thoughts on whether this would / wouldnt work and reasons behind their thoughts?

teenjump · 08-29-2003, 01:10 AM

How easy is it to make one up tho.

Easy. I'm Canadian and I have a fake SSN.

Kimmykim · 08-29-2003, 01:11 AM

The walrus is obviously Canadian too.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
The walrus is obviously Canadian too.

would you care to enlighten us as to how you came to that conclusion kimmy?

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 01:13 AM

under no circumstances would this ever be more profitable for an affiliate program.

idle · 08-29-2003, 01:13 AM

It would also weed out all the legitimate companies in countries other than the US.

and making a system that would take into account every single country's tax IDs would be a hell of a lot of work. especially if it was to do verification, or if verification was done manually.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester
under no circumstances would this ever be more profitable for an affiliate program.

of course it would, they wouldnt have to worry about individual webmasters ripping them off and, if a company screwed them they have a better chance at suing them for damages etc.

sure it would be costly but once they won they would also get damages along with legal fees

Kimmykim · 08-29-2003, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

would you care to enlighten us as to how you came to that conclusion kimmy?

spelling and grammar.

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 01:15 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

of course it would, they wouldnt have to worry about individual webmasters ripping them off and, if a company screwed them they have a better chance at suing them for damages etc.

sure it would be costly but once they won they would also get damages along with legal fees

think about how dumb this reply is. then stop posting forever in utter shame & humiliation.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by idle
It would also weed out all the legitimate companies in countries other than the US.

and making a system that would take into account every single country's tax IDs would be a hell of a lot of work. especially if it was to do verification, or if verification was done manually.

not true, as it stands as long as you can use the web you can find out if a company is 'registered' so to speak.

all i am saying is make aff programs only acept companies, regardless of what their business liability is, by making a sole proprietor (sp?) become accountable for what they actually do, if anything ever had the need to go through the courts they would stand to lose a lot more than just a sponsors check

as for the database, im sure that it wouldnt be that hard to compile one the data must be floating around the web somewhere i would even bet that most payment processors hold this sort of information (kimmy could you confirm if this is the case?)

anyway was just a thought i had might not even be a plausable idea but it should be worth investigating surely especially if it took some of the unwarranted heat off us as an industry overall.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester

think about how dumb this reply is. then stop posting forever in utter shame & humiliation.

no you think about how reasonable it was, companies have a higher liability threshold and more chance of being prosecuted than individuals do - especially by other companies and the feds

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

no you think about how reasonable it was, companies have a higher liability threshold and more chance of being prosecuted than individuals do - especially by other companies and the feds

how many cases have you seen lately of reputable companies taking huge blows because of affiliate fraud. you're whole argument basis is retarded.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester

how many cases have you seen lately of reputable companies taking huge blow because of affiliate fraud. you're whole argument basis is retarded.

errr... you run a resource site right?

then you should know that the biggest way aff programs lose money is theough affiliate fraud - dumbass

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

errr... you run a resource site right?

then you should know that the biggest way aff programs lose money is theough affiliate fraud - dumbass

ok, why don't you start an affilaite program with your master plan and let me know how it works out for you

yes, i am a dumbass, for replying to this thread.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester

ok, why don't you start an affilaite program with your master plan and let me know how it works out for you

yes, i am a dumbass, for replying to this thread.

i dont need to start one thanks

idle · 08-29-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus
all i am saying is make aff programs only acept companies, regardless of what their business liability is, by making a sole proprietor (sp?) become accountable for what they actually do, if anything ever had the need to go through the courts they would stand to lose a lot more than just a sponsors check

how will you prove someone isn't lying? or what if someone is using a trading name? that can't be checked. Not for companies in this country AFAIK... Usually that stuff is information held by the banks for cheque books, not by the companies office. Our Inland Revenue department isn't going to make that info public either..

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as for the database, im sure that it wouldnt be that hard to compile one the data must be floating around the web somewhere i would even bet that most payment processors hold this sort of information (kimmy could you confirm if this is the case?)

This amuses me. Americans take it for granted that they have no privacy. In New Zealand, we have privacy laws. This information won't be and can't be in other peoples databases unless your company has dealt with them in the past and the information has been provided freely - or alternatively, if has been obtained via authorities in criminal investigations - but even then, the authorities keep the info private.

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anyway was just a thought i had might not even be a plausable idea but it should be worth investigating surely especially if it took some of the unwarranted heat off us as an industry overall.

haha. as long as there are religious bumfucks ont his planet spouting off that ANY pornography is obscene, who rank it with child pornography and beastiality, then there will ALWAYS be unwarranted heat on this industry. There are different degrees of heat. you joined this industry know that, surely.

Doctor Dre · 08-29-2003, 01:42 AM

Kimmy the reason you think canadian don't know how to write is because of french canadians like me . English is our 2nd language and isn't really covered in schoolbooks (except irregular verbs n shit like that) . That's why

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus
all i am saying is make aff programs only acept companies, regardless of what their business liability is, by making a sole proprietor (sp?) become accountable for what they actually do, if anything ever had the need to go through the courts they would stand to lose a lot more than just a sponsors check
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how will you prove someone isn't lying? or what if someone is using a trading name? that can't be checked. Not for companies in this country AFAIK... Usually that stuff is information held by the banks for cheque books, not by the companies office. Our Inland Revenue department isn't going to make that info public either..

Trading name would come down to the sole propriator thing, aswell as certainly in the US you check for DBA's of companies etc.

also just the fact that the info is held by the banks would mean that they had to have some form of 'official' paperwork in order for them to open a 'trading as' account.

as for inland revenue making the information public, it would be companies house or whichever agency / body keeps a record of businesses in each country.

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as for the database, im sure that it wouldnt be that hard to compile one the data must be floating around the web somewhere i would even bet that most payment processors hold this sort of information (kimmy could you confirm if this is the case?)
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This amuses me. Americans take it for granted that they have no privacy. In New Zealand, we have privacy laws. This information won't be and can't be in other peoples databases unless your company has dealt with them in the past and the information has been provided freely - or alternatively, if has been obtained via authorities in criminal investigations - but even then, the authorities keep the info private.

again, as mentioned above all you should have to do 'in theory' is check with the governing body where companies information is stored in each locale.

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anyway was just a thought i had might not even be a plausable idea but it should be worth investigating surely especially if it took some of the unwarranted heat off us as an industry overall.
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haha. as long as there are religious bumfucks ont his planet spouting off that ANY pornography is obscene, who rank it with child pornography and beastiality, then there will ALWAYS be unwarranted heat on this industry. There are different degrees of heat. you joined this industry know that, surely.

but not unwarranted heat that could be avoided as it stands presently, the adult industry is seen as sordid and illegal (cp beasty etc) by a lot of people whether rightly or wrongly isnt the issue, with some form of 'standardization' so far as who can and who cant use affiliate programs as well as what is and isnt needed in order to join such a program this would help to alleviate some of the strain on the industrys reputation as a whole, as i said originally might not be a practical thing to do but who would you rather have start to instigate such steps, affiliate programs in the industry of the government, regardless of what country you live in.

Kimmykim · 08-29-2003, 01:45 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Kimmy the reason you think canadian don't know how to write is because of french canadians like me . English is our 2nd language and isn't really covered in schoolbooks (except irregular verbs n shit like that) . That's why

Don't assume that I think the walrus is illiterate since that is absolutely not the case.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Don't assume that I think the walrus is illiterate since that is absolutely not the case.

thats slanderous and libeloous i be as illitarate as any of the gfy users on 'ere ill 'ave ya know ;)

Kimmykim · 08-29-2003, 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

thats slanderous and libeloous i be as illitarate as any of the gfy users on 'ere ill 'ave ya know ;)

I love to defame, there's no doubt about that, especially when there are Canadians involved ;)

Why · 08-29-2003, 01:49 AM

i dont think its the webmasters that are fucking up, i think its the fuckers running the programs that are fucking up and need to be weeded out.

who you think is gonna fuck around more, the one who is doing it for fun? or the one who is doing it to get rich?

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester
under no circumstances would this ever be more profitable for an affiliate program.

I just blogged your sig "campaign" onto the homepage of SexEducation.com ...

<A HREF="http://LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com" >LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com</A>

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 01:50 AM

i hope n00bs don't read this thread and think you're actually making sense. that's all we need, more misguided n00bs.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

I love to defame, there's no doubt about that, especially when there are Canadians involved ;)

haha fair enough

im not Canadian though unfortunately ;)

would you be so kind as to read that post a few up where i ask you to confirm or refute my statement about the processors holding company information to please - you are probably the best person to ask given your knowledge of that side of the industry

oh and, speeling and gramma are bad because ive been up almost 36 hours solid to launch a new product and im tired as all hell lol

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester
i hope n00bs don't read this thread and think you're actually making sense. that's all we need, more misguided n00bs.

especialy when we have enough mis-guided webmasters claiming not to be noobs huh? - if the cap fits etc, etc.

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation

I just blogged your sig "campaign" onto the homepage of SexEducation.com ...

<A HREF="http://LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com" >LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com</A>

could you please un-blog me. thanks.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester

could you please un-blog me. thanks.

well said

you dont want to be associated with a pedo site

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

especialy when we have enough mis-guided webmasters claiming not to be noobs huh? - if the cap fits etc, etc.

wow, i couldn't have said it better myself. when you get a clue maybe you can then call yourself a webmaster.

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 01:57 AM

I didn't blog YOU ...
I have no idea who you are.
What the hell would I do that for on my homepage.

I blogged the article in your sig.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
I didn't blog YOU ...
I have no idea who you are.
What the hell would I do that for on my homepage.

I blogged the article in your sig.

can you say copyright infringment?

lets hope he sues your pedo ass

he gave you written notification.

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
I didn't blog YOU ...
I have no idea who you are.
What the hell would I do that for on my homepage.

I blogged the article in your sig.

then can you please un-blog the article in my sig.

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

can you say copyright infringment?

lets hope he sues your pedo ass

he gave you written notification.

I am in the process of writing a review of that article ...
duh ...
okay sue me for expressing my opinion ...
duh ...
SexEducation.com an adult magazine of sexual intercourse.

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 02:03 AM

Actually I am deleting that blog now that I can reach my server which was recently inaccessable from Calgary.

I want to stay focussed on Lars graphics and customization of SexEducation.com for his community.

I Am The Walrus · 08-29-2003, 02:03 AM

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I am in the process of writing a review of that article ...
duh ...

which he has as good as asked you not to do

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okay sue me for expressing my opinion ...
duh ...

For copyright infringment - theres a difference asswipe.

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SexEducation.com an adult magazine of sexual intercourse.

surely you mean a bigger waste of bandwidth than lukeford.com in its hayday?

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation

SexEducation.com an adult magazine of sexual intercourse.

ok, that's nice, but i really don't want your traffic. thanks.

titmowse · 08-29-2003, 02:06 AM

where is this fucking blog?

maxjohan · 08-29-2003, 02:08 AM

I don't want it clean I want it dirty..

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 02:09 AM

Blog deleted ...
back to work ...

Do you really think anyone actually believes your pedo crap ?
GFY sheep ...
baaaa baaaa ...follow the morons ...baaaa baaaa

On a side note ...
where is that GFY sheep banner ...
I love it ... flippin funny ...

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by titmowse
where is this fucking blog?

was here.. http://livehomepage.blogspot.com/

but my link has been removed.

idle · 08-29-2003, 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester
i hope n00bs don't read this thread and think you're actually making sense. that's all we need, more misguided n00bs.

don't worry, I'm a n00b and I don't agree with him.

I don't know if that makes you feel any better.

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by titmowse
where is this fucking blog?

It was at
http://LIVEHOMEPAGE.blogspot.com ...

you create a blog by getting a free account at
Blogger.com ...
which was recently POWERED UP by Google.com.
Think about that.

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 02:13 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation
Blog deleted ...
back to work ...

Do you really think anyone actually believes your pedo crap ?
GFY sheep ...
baaaa baaaa ...follow the morons ...baaaa baaaa

On a side note ...
where is that GFY sheep banner ...
I love it ... flippin funny ...

personally i never read all the threads talking about this, and i've never been through your site, i just don't want your surfer traffic, i have zero need and/or desire for it.

Kimmykim · 08-29-2003, 02:14 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus

haha fair enough

im not Canadian though unfortunately ;)

would you be so kind as to read that post a few up where i ask you to confirm or refute my statement about the processors holding company information to please - you are probably the best person to ask given your knowledge of that side of the industry

Processors would only be holding information that related to their payouts. Companies that do their own payouts would not have their db's sitting in the hands of others without a reason.

Requiring a company does nothing for fraud control, hell I can go and make up about a dozen dba's and get tax ids for them in less than 48 hours if that is what I need.

You want to clean up the industry, you change the nature of the business completely.

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester

personally i never read all the threads talking about this, and i've never been through your site, i just don't want your surfer traffic, i have zero need and/or desire for it.

exactly ...
follow the sheep ...
no logical justification for the decision ...
baaaa baaaa
nothing based on personally known fact ...
baaa baaa

idle · 08-29-2003, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by I Am The Walrus
but not unwarranted heat that could be avoided as it stands presently, the adult industry is seen as sordid and illegal (cp beasty etc) by a lot of people whether rightly or wrongly isnt the issue, with some form of 'standardization' so far as who can and who cant use affiliate programs as well as what is and isnt needed in order to join such a program this would help to alleviate some of the strain on the industrys reputation as a whole, as i said originally might not be a practical thing to do but who would you rather have start to instigate such steps, affiliate programs in the industry of the government, regardless of what country you live in.

I honestly don't think it'll make a difference. if someone wants to defraud you, they're going to do it.

You'll find that even if something like this was implemented, it wouldn't be taken up by everyone simply for the extra work involved, or for the perceived business loss.

How would the end-consumer gauge which sites affiliated themselves with companies ONLY? take their word for it?

and how many governments like to work together 100% of the time?? I personally think there are too many political issues - external to the adult industry itself - to make this viable.

but maybe I'm missing something.

idle · 08-29-2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
You want to clean up the industry, you change the nature of the business completely.

or better yet, change human nature. That's the reason why people will suck your cock, then stab you in the back on the same day.

because they can.

pornJester · 08-29-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by sexeducation

exactly ...
follow the sheep ...
no logical justification for the decision ...
baaaa baaaa
nothing based on personally known fact ...
baaa baaa

ok, now you're just an idiot. the site you were linking to is a webmaster resource, your surfer traffic has zero productivity at my site. get-a-clue.

Kimmykim · 08-29-2003, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by idle

or better yet, change human nature. That's the reason why people will suck your cock, then stab you in the back on the same day.

because they can.

This business is not about human nature past the application of what makes the surfer buy today instead of yesterday.

My money is on Visa making some sweeping changes become absolutely necessary in order to keep taking it as payment.

What they are looking for is abundantly clear, or should be to anyone doing more than 350 joins per day.

sexeducation · 08-29-2003, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

This business is not about human nature past the application of what makes the surfer buy today instead of yesterday.

My money is on Visa making some sweeping changes become absolutely necessary in order to keep taking it as payment.

What they are looking for is abundantly clear, or should be to anyone doing more than 350 joins per day.

Yep ... I agree ...
sweeping changes ...

No aroused genital or reproductive bodily fluids on any directly accessed domain name is - just months away - at most.
kewl ... love it

Been promoting that for months now ...

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I Am The Walrus Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,000	an idea to clean the industry up do you think if affiliate programs asked for company tax id's before they let webmasters join their program that would help the industry any? the way i see it, to many people come to porn as a 'hobby' and not enough proper companie structures are set up, surely 'some' of the pressure being put on the industry as a whole could be alleviated if programs only let webmasters with corporate tax codes join their programs. some programs require this anyway but, if you do not have one they will also allow you to use their program by entering your SSI number, surely it would benefit affiliate programs 'long term' to weed out the people who are hobbiests at this. anyone have any serious thoughts on whether this would / wouldnt work and reasons behind their thoughts? __________________ <a href="http://www.hahahahahahahaha.com">Pimp Dog Makes Me Horny ;)</a>

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