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xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 03:56 PM

PR Brokers

I?ve found that lately, I?ve been spending more and more time doing link exchanges with other webmasters to generate SE traffic. A lot of people dismiss these of being of any value, but I disagree ? *if they are done properly* - link trades can be very beneficial.

One of the big problems is that most requests for link trades start out something like this:

?You link my PR4 site from your PR4 sites?? ? blah, blah, blah?just PR for PR straight back and forth ? THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! Problem is 95% of link exchanges are in this format.

Let me post this to try and shed some light on what is probably a better way to do these things:

1. Aiming my PR4 site at your PR4 site will have some benefit right now - as far as spidering goes. Trading is way better than aiming YOUR PR4 SITE site at YOUR PR4 SITE (crosslinking) ? seeing as the links will at least be coming from different class c blocks. However, as time goes on, Google will become more sensitive to spotting patterns that are obvious attempts at PR manipulation.

2. And, as time goes on, the devaluing of irrelevant / off topic links will become more sensitive and the penalty more severe.

Most experienced adult webmasters have at least 5 domain up to ??? # domains ? I personally have almost 100 domains now.

This is how I?d rather be doing these trades:

1. Relevant links only.

2. Stop nitpicking over PR so much, within reason. I mean, don?t give out 5 points of PR for none back ? but if a trade goes one point or another in a direction ? let it slide! Relevancy counts more, than jacking the little bar up ? REALLY.

3. No more just aiming my site at your site ? structure a trade more like this:

My relevant site A links your relevant site B > Your relevant Site B links My relevant site C then (if you are doing more)
Your relevant site C links my relevant site D > My relevant Site D links your relevant site E and so on and so on?
too mathematical that can be found and devalued by Google easily, but it?s way better than just linking A to A, B to B, C to C?you could hire a monkey could spot those patterns!

Also, if you are one of those dickheads that requests that I link every one of my sites to your TGP and you will link every one of my site from it (which is a STUPID IDEA ANYWAY) remember this ? a TGP already has 100+ links out on the page already, meaning the value passed on to me will be very little.

It?s a simple equation:
Your PR / # of links on your page = the pr passed on to me.

Ok ? I could write this post even fucking longer, but I won?t. I want to show what insipid this post. Not that I would ever recommend and one leave this board to look at GFY ? here is a perfect example of what happens when you let a bunch on monkeys loose with a list of your sites:

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=174118

Let me know what you think.

Daymare · 09-24-2003, 03:59 PM

lil2rich4u2 · 09-24-2003, 04:00 PM

jay i have dealt with you on a few link trades, and i must say i have never done a more professional transaction.

a bit confusing at first, but you obviously know what you are doing, and you walked me through it even though i had a serious issue going on.

and you are right ... your system makes 100% sense, and i hope to do more link trades with you.

PS - i didnt even check, but i hope my links are up! lol

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:03 PM

lil2rich4u2 - I was trying to point that the way peolple do most trades is in the wrong format.

brizzad · 09-24-2003, 04:05 PM

jay.. whats your icq

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:07 PM

brizzad - my icq is 62835707

lil2rich4u2 · 09-24-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
lil2rich4u2 - I was trying to point that the way peolple do most trades is in the wrong format.

i know what you were trying to point out, you stressed the same exact thing to me durring our trade.

and it made perfect sense ....

fnet · 09-24-2003, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
PR Brokers
...
It?s a simple equation:
Your PR / # of links on your page = the pr passed on to me.
...

Let me know what you think.

Good enough for government work.

GrimShawn · 09-24-2003, 04:14 PM

google?

Libertine · 09-24-2003, 04:17 PM

And still, the easiest way to get PR is to just put up a site with unusual stuff on it. Loads of people link to that kind of stuff all by themselves

WiredGuy · 09-24-2003, 04:17 PM

You're correct, most people are looking for PR trades within the same point blocks compared to Google's Toolbar PR ranking. While that's great for spidering effect (different C blocks as well), most webmasters will stay within the same block range using that method unless they're scaling their operation to a large number of websites.

Your proposed method is the way of the future in my opinion, Google's already doing content clustering and is starting to experiment with Geo-specific results now as well and it's my guess that they'll be able to determine relevant and irrelevant links within the next few months. Furthermore, I am getting the impression that the number of sites per IP (or per C block class for that matter) will not be penalized in future (or the penalty reduced) based on the ideas you put forth.

Also, your point number 3 on your suggested link structures is a pretty good representation so long as the links are relevant to each other. Essentially what you're creating here is a bipartite graph by the suggested link trades and it is an effective method which I employ presently (although I prefer to trade within my own network rather than using outside sources). Just make sure you keep the links relevant and not to trade with sites which have hundreds of outbound links.

Lastly, make sure you remember that the bottom line is traffic, not PR. You could have a PR7 adult site but if you're targetting a keyword which nobody is searching, then that PR literally wasted.

All in all, your comments were very well said Jay.
WG

http · 09-24-2003, 04:18 PM

I just thought, what's braver - doing biz with lil richie, or, explaining your competitors how to work the SE's.

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:20 PM

WiredGuy - Thanks man - damn you type fast - lol.

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by http
I just thought, what's braver - doing biz with lil richie, or, explaining your competitors how to work the SE's.

These same competitors are the same people that are always asking for trades - they may as well have a clue.

WiredGuy · 09-24-2003, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
WiredGuy - Thanks man - damn you type fast - lol.

LOL, your welcome. Now let's keep this thread nice and quiet

WG

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

LOL, your welcome. Now let's keep this thread nice and quiet

WG

WiredGuy - The points I made are like 3% of what it takes to get good ranking.

WiredGuy · 09-24-2003, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
WiredGuy - The points I made are like 3% of what it takes to get good ranking.

Yup, but it's a start. I prefer to watch the newbies going around in circles. I had to learn the hard way, I prefer to let them too

WG

lil2TARD4u2 · 09-24-2003, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
jay i have dealt with you on a few link trades, and i must say i have never done a more professional transaction.

a bit confusing at first, but you obviously know what you are doing, and you walked me through it even though i had a serious issue going on.

and you are right ... your system makes 100% sense, and i hope to do more link trades with you.

PS - i didnt even check, but i hope my links are up! lol

OH PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!
Another totally useless comment by lil2rich4u2!
and a bit of ass licking too
FUCK OFF TARD

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2TARD4u2

OH PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!
Another totally useless comment by lil2rich4u2!
and a bit of ass licking too
FUCK OFF TARD

Ahh - a perfect reason why I never post ever here. It seems you can't impart some decent advice / knowledge without turning it into a flame.

lil2TARD4u2 · 09-24-2003, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay

Ahh - a perfect reason why I never post ever here. It seems you can't impart some decent advice / knowledge without turning it into a flame.

try posting in a board where Rich is banned then

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:37 PM

Shit what does someone have to do to get banned around here?

It seems to me people with 5000+ posts post stupid shit like "Why All ******s Should Die" threads...??

lil2rich4u2 · 09-24-2003, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Shit what does someone have to do to get banned around here?

It seems to me people with 5000+ posts post stupid shit like "Why All ******s Should Die" threads...??

but he only has 8 posts ... or were you referring to me?

lil2TARD4u2 · 09-24-2003, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

but he only has 8 posts ... or were you referring to me?

You lower GFY's value, making it a haven for n00bs. Fuck you idiot, you better start running because i will fuckin destroy you.

xxxjay · 09-24-2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

but he only has 8 posts ... or were you referring to me?

No - that's just the general attitude around here.

xxxjay · 09-25-2003, 10:43 AM

Google is updating right now - it's a good time to get your links in order so they can be properly crawled by the next update.

09-24-2003, 03:56 PM	#1
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	SE Traffic - The Newest Fad PR Brokers I?ve found that lately, I?ve been spending more and more time doing link exchanges with other webmasters to generate SE traffic. A lot of people dismiss these of being of any value, but I disagree ? if they are done properly - link trades can be very beneficial. One of the big problems is that most requests for link trades start out something like this: ?You link my PR4 site from your PR4 sites?? ? blah, blah, blah?just PR for PR straight back and forth ? THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT! Problem is 95% of link exchanges are in this format. Let me post this to try and shed some light on what is probably a better way to do these things: 1. Aiming my PR4 site at your PR4 site will have some benefit right now - as far as spidering goes. Trading is way better than aiming YOUR PR4 SITE site at YOUR PR4 SITE (crosslinking) ? seeing as the links will at least be coming from different class c blocks. However, as time goes on, Google will become more sensitive to spotting patterns that are obvious attempts at PR manipulation. 2. And, as time goes on, the devaluing of irrelevant / off topic links will become more sensitive and the penalty more severe. Most experienced adult webmasters have at least 5 domain up to ??? # domains ? I personally have almost 100 domains now. This is how I?d rather be doing these trades: 1. Relevant links only. 2. Stop nitpicking over PR so much, within reason. I mean, don?t give out 5 points of PR for none back ? but if a trade goes one point or another in a direction ? let it slide! Relevancy counts more, than jacking the little bar up ? REALLY. 3. No more just aiming my site at your site ? structure a trade more like this: My relevant site A links your relevant site B > Your relevant Site B links My relevant site C then (if you are doing more) Your relevant site C links my relevant site D > My relevant Site D links your relevant site E and so on and so on? too mathematical that can be found and devalued by Google easily, but it?s way better than just linking A to A, B to B, C to C?you could hire a monkey could spot those patterns! Also, if you are one of those dickheads that requests that I link every one of my sites to your TGP and you will link every one of my site from it (which is a STUPID IDEA ANYWAY) remember this ? a TGP already has 100+ links out on the page already, meaning the value passed on to me will be very little. It?s a simple equation: Your PR / # of links on your page = the pr passed on to me. Ok ? I could write this post even fucking longer, but I won?t. I want to show what insipid this post. Not that I would ever recommend and one leave this board to look at GFY ? here is a perfect example of what happens when you let a bunch on monkeys loose with a list of your sites: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=174118 Let me know what you think. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

09-24-2003, 03:59 PM	#2
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09-24-2003, 04:00 PM	#3
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	jay i have dealt with you on a few link trades, and i must say i have never done a more professional transaction. a bit confusing at first, but you obviously know what you are doing, and you walked me through it even though i had a serious issue going on. and you are right ... your system makes 100% sense, and i hope to do more link trades with you. PS - i didnt even check, but i hope my links are up! lol __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

09-24-2003, 04:03 PM	#4
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	lil2rich4u2 - I was trying to point that the way peolple do most trades is in the wrong format. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

09-24-2003, 04:07 PM	#6
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	brizzad - my icq is 62835707 __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

09-24-2003, 04:05 PM	#5
brizzad holla Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: KFC Posts: 11,769	jay.. whats your icq

09-24-2003, 04:14 PM	#9
GrimShawn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: BONEPRONE MANSION serving drinks! Posts: 8,120	google?

09-24-2003, 04:17 PM	#10
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	And still, the easiest way to get PR is to just put up a site with unusual stuff on it. Loads of people link to that kind of stuff all by themselves __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

09-24-2003, 04:17 PM	#11
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	You're correct, most people are looking for PR trades within the same point blocks compared to Google's Toolbar PR ranking. While that's great for spidering effect (different C blocks as well), most webmasters will stay within the same block range using that method unless they're scaling their operation to a large number of websites. Your proposed method is the way of the future in my opinion, Google's already doing content clustering and is starting to experiment with Geo-specific results now as well and it's my guess that they'll be able to determine relevant and irrelevant links within the next few months. Furthermore, I am getting the impression that the number of sites per IP (or per C block class for that matter) will not be penalized in future (or the penalty reduced) based on the ideas you put forth. Also, your point number 3 on your suggested link structures is a pretty good representation so long as the links are relevant to each other. Essentially what you're creating here is a bipartite graph by the suggested link trades and it is an effective method which I employ presently (although I prefer to trade within my own network rather than using outside sources). Just make sure you keep the links relevant and not to trade with sites which have hundreds of outbound links. Lastly, make sure you remember that the bottom line is traffic, not PR. You could have a PR7 adult site but if you're targetting a keyword which nobody is searching, then that PR literally wasted. All in all, your comments were very well said Jay. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-24-2003, 04:18 PM	#12
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	I just thought, what's braver - doing biz with lil richie, or, explaining your competitors how to work the SE's.

09-24-2003, 04:20 PM	#13
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	WiredGuy - Thanks man - damn you type fast - lol. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

09-24-2003, 04:37 PM	#21
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	Shit what does someone have to do to get banned around here? It seems to me people with 5000+ posts post stupid shit like "Why All ******s Should Die" threads...?? __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

09-25-2003, 10:43 AM	#25
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	Google is updating right now - it's a good time to get your links in order so they can be properly crawled by the next update. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/