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ThunderBalls · 02-06-2004, 07:09 PM

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...634119,00.html

Infant shot on I-25 fighting for her life

COMMERCE CITY - An 8-month-old girl who was shot last month as she rode with her family on Interstate 25 survived after a bullet entered the right side of her head, shattered her skull and exited through the other side.

Part of the infant's skull was replaced with cadaver bones, a family friend said Thursday at a news conference here.

Deputies have not identified a motive for the shooting, and the family has remained anonymous out of safety concerns.

The friend, Rachelle Kalkofen, spoke out to plead for witnesses to come forward. She identified the baby only as Viviana.

The child, who remains in critical condition, also has suffered a stroke, Kalkofen said.

"She's obviously in pain, at times upset," she said. "But she's definitely a fighter."

Adams County Sheriff's spokesman Louis Dixon III said investigators have very little to go on. So far, all they have is that the family thought they saw a small red car behind their Honda Civic when the gunfire erupted on Jan. 23.

The family had been at dinner in Northglenn, Kalkofen said. Viviana was with her mother and two older sisters - ages 6 and 4 - in the Honda, which was driven by the youngsters' aunt. Viviana was in a child-safety seat next to the window in back.

In a car ahead was Viviana's father, a brother and another man.

They were on I-25 heading south near U.S. 36 when they first realized something was wrong.

"Both women in the vehicle heard a pop and thought they had run over something," Kalkofen read from the family's statement. "Moments later they heard a second sound.

"Both adult women thought that one of the children had struck a window with a toy or another object. They noticed a strong smell and decided they were going to pull over."

Viviana's mother climbed into the back seat as one of the older children shouted that the baby was bleeding.

"As her mother climbed into the back seat, the windows began to shatter, and she yelled for all to duck because they were being shot at," Kalkofen read.

The driver turned on her hazard lights, honked the horn and drove to the center divider while she called 911 on her cell phone. She stopped the car between 58th Avenue and Interstate 70.

The right rear passenger window was shot at least three times. One bullet exited the left rear window, and another went through the windshield. Viviana's mother was shot several times in the forearm.

"It's the family's belief that certainly there must have been witnesses," Kalkofen said.

Rob · 02-06-2004, 07:15 PM

People that do shit like that are going to get guns one way or another. If you take away the right to bear arms it will only put innocent, responsible gun owners at risk against criminals.

And I hope the baby recovers...a truly sad story.

xenigo · 02-06-2004, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HighOnAcid
People that do shit like that are going to get guns one way or another. If you take away the right to bear arms it will only put innocent, responsible gun owners at risk against criminals.

Wow, what an intelligent argument... from the moron with the name HighOnAcid. Tell me you still feel this way when the 15 year old gangbanger shoots you for $20 at the ATM machine, and he got the gun from his dad's arsenal. So you're telling me he'd still have the gun regardless?

The argument you're making is one of the furthest right-wing to the extreme, hardly one of any intelligence.

MetaMan · 02-06-2004, 07:23 PM

lets face it the mass amount of guns in the usa is in alot of part due to everyone is fucking racist. no one trusts the other race.

and how else are americans supposed to get all our canadian drugs if they dont trade guns for it. duh.

Rob · 02-06-2004, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo

Wow, what an intelligent argument... from the moron with the name HighOnAcid. Tell me you still feel this way when the 15 year old gangbanger shoots you for $20 at the ATM machine, and he got the gun from his dad's arsenal. So you're telling me he'd still have the gun regardless?

The argument you're making is one of the furthest right-wing to the extreme, hardly one of any intelligence.

Thanks for the insight, hippee.

12clicks · 02-06-2004, 07:26 PM

this makes as much sense as the rest of this moron's threads.

Veterans Day · 02-06-2004, 07:26 PM

I prefer we crack down on the loser drunk drivers that flood the streets every weekend

synergysex · 02-06-2004, 07:30 PM

I am a firm belive in gun owner's rights. I lived only a block away from the people involved in the incident discussed in that news story. After that, I was 100%, irrevocably for removing ALL restrictions on gun ownership except those that prevent violent felons from possessing guns.

http://www.gunowners.org/op0215.htm

But I dont understand the topic of this post. Is the thread starter for or against gun control. I dont see how that news story makes a good arguement against gun control... yet the poster is thanking the people who fight against it? Maybe my sense of humor is dull tonight and I am not reading the sarcasim correctly?

Anyway, I hope they kid gets better and they should hang the guy who did it up by his balls.

ThunderBalls · 02-06-2004, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
this makes as much sense as the rest of this moron's threads.

12dicks, is this you?
<img src="http://www.topplebush.com/humor/dennismiller.jpg">

pornkitten · 02-06-2004, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HighOnAcid
People that do shit like that are going to get guns one way or another. If you take away the right to bear arms it will only put innocent, responsible gun owners at risk against criminals.

And I hope the baby recovers...a truly sad story.

I have a baby of my own but I am definately pro gun its too bad the idiots of the world have to ruin it for responsible gun owners like me. I need a gun in case someone trys to break into my house (its my constitutional right) to protect MY child. How did this happen (I am always suspicious when a child gets a gun (it shouldnt be that easy!) There are locking gun cases which you can put out of reach!! The criminals will always have guns like they have thier drugs (which are illegal). So making guns illegal only puts good people at risk. In this day and age of terorrists and all that shit Im not giving up my gun. The day they take away the right to bear arms is the day we start to lose all our personal freedoms (which constitutional right will be next? why not take away free speech too)

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:32 PM

We already had a similar topic few weeks ago.

All the pro guns people simply say: We need them to defend ourselfs. If they are illegal the criminal still can buy them everywhere and we arent allowed to have them.

Good point, exactly proves how fucked up your country is. The US is so flooded with guns that now theres no way back anymore. Make them illegal and you still can buy them on every corner.

People in other countries where guns never were legal in the first place dont have to defend their homes/stores with guns because the criminal most like doesnt have a gun.

Rob · 02-06-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by synergysex
But I dont understand the topic of this post. Is the thread starter for or against gun control. I dont see how that news story makes a good arguement against gun control... yet the poster is thanking the people who fight against it? Maybe my sense of humor is dull tonight and I am not reading the sarcasim correctly?

AMEN!!!

12clicks · 02-06-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls

12dicks, is this you?
<img src="http://www.topplebush.com/humor/dennismiller.jpg">

I can't hear you, I'm too busy hiding from the gun I keep in my closet. I think it wants to shoot me.

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornkitten

I have a baby of my own but I am definately pro gun its too bad the idiots of the world have to ruin it for responsible gun owners like me.

Who the fuck is a responsible gun owner??? Nobody! Everybody claims he is a responsible gun owner...just like everybody claims he/she is smart, just like everybody claims they drive better than other people.

Want me to copy and paste some stats (again) to see how many deads responsible gun owners cause?

Idiot.

Rob · 02-06-2004, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornkitten

I have a baby of my own... why not take away free speech too)

I'm not sure why you posted this reply after quoting me but I'm totally for the right to bear arms! Not sure what I posted to make one think otherwise but to each his/her own.

jelloman · 02-06-2004, 07:37 PM

Who said only guns can kill people? Who said only guns can cause accidents?

If that's the case, then I would expect all drunken drivers to be executed.

Knives can kill....a fist can kill...a baseball bat can kill. Hell, even an 10incher can kill (a tight pussy that is). lol

The point is that media is playing your mind man. There are many other sad stories than that one.

But since it is America, you get to say what you want to say.

Jibi

ThunderBalls · 02-06-2004, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by synergysex

But I dont understand the topic of this post. Is the thread starter for or against gun control. I dont see how that news story makes a good arguement against gun control... yet the poster is thanking the people who fight against it?

The topic of the post (which obviously gun nuts such as yourself do not have the IQ to comprehend) is thanks to you, the NRA, and everyone that fights any type of gun legislation shit like this is becoming more commonplace.

Understand now?

Rob · 02-06-2004, 07:39 PM

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!!! It's the bullets that usually do the most of the damage!

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jelloman
Who said only guns can kill people? Who said only guns can cause accidents?

If that's the case, then I would expect all drunken drivers to be executed.

Knives can kill....a fist can kill...a baseball bat can kill. Hell, even an 10incher can kill (a tight pussy that is). lol

The point is that media is playing your mind man. There are many other sad stories than that one.

But since it is America, you get to say what you want to say.

Jibi

Oh shit, next comes this other bitch (forgot her name) claming we then might as well ban cars because they kill as well.

Honestly, the next idiot who comes with arguments like this will be hunted down and beaten to death by me with a KEYBOARD.

pornkitten · 02-06-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Who the fuck is a responsible gun owner??? Nobody! Everybody claims he is a responsible gun owner...just like everybofy claims he/she is smart, just like everybody claims they drive better.

Want me to copy and paste some stats (again) to see what responsible gun owners cause?

Im an Idiot.

You dont live where I do, I notice you put your location as Amsterdam, come live here for a month it is quite different and you will want to buy a gun. I seriously doubt the guy who shot the baby had a legal gun. They need to focus on getting illegal guns off the street and putting losers like this in jail!

MarkTiarra · 02-06-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HighOnAcid
People that do shit like that are going to get guns one way or another. If you take away the right to bear arms it will only put innocent, responsible gun owners at risk against criminals.

And I hope the baby recovers...a truly sad story.

As sad as the story truly is, I have to agree with what you said. The problem with crime is it takes a criminal to commit one. Making it illegal to won a gun isn't going to stop someone already willing to kill. That's like thinking speeding laws will keep him from driving fast if he's being chased after the crime.

The only way to stop gun violence is to keep guns out of the country entirely. We can;t do that with drugs or even people for god's sake so what makes anyone think we'd keep guns out? Our sadly biased media doesn't cover the events when a legal gun owner is able to stop a crime from happening by having a gun either. You can find news like that if you know where to look but it's not easy.... and our lazy sound byte culture forms it's opinions on the 10 minutes of news they get per day - very sad.

So all that said, I'm not saying I have a position on guns one way or the other (although I do)... my point is that if you are going to talk about legal policy, you should think about what serves the greatest good REALISTICALLY.

xenigo · 02-06-2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornkitten
its too bad the idiots of the world have to ruin it for responsible gun owners like me.

There's no reason to own guns in today's society. Statistically, you're more likely to shoot yourself with your own gun than to "protect" yourself from anyone else. That fact alone says that gun owners are statistically irresponsible.

12clicks · 02-06-2004, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Who the fuck is a responsible gun owner??? Nobody! Everybody claims he is a responsible gun owner...just like everybody claims he/she is smart, just like everybody claims they drive better than other people.

Want me to copy and paste some stats (again) to see how many deads responsible gun owners cause?

Idiot.

I guess you leftist losers are against cars too.
Want me to cut and paste some stats (again) to see how many deads cars cause?

ryph · 02-06-2004, 07:43 PM

To every1 who rides a bike to work thanks

http://www.car-accidents.com/

12clicks · 02-06-2004, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Honestly, the next idiot who comes with arguments like this will be hunted down and beaten to death by me with a KEYBOARD.

Bring it on half wit.

xenigo · 02-06-2004, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarkTiarra
That's like thinking speeding laws will keep him from driving fast if he's being chased after the crime.

It kept OJ from driving fast

sandman! · 02-06-2004, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...634119,00.html

Infant shot on I-25 fighting for her life

COMMERCE CITY - An 8-month-old girl who was shot last month as she rode with her family on Interstate 25 survived after a bullet entered the right side of her head, shattered her skull and exited through the other side.

Part of the infant's skull was replaced with cadaver bones, a family friend said Thursday at a news conference here.

Deputies have not identified a motive for the shooting, and the family has remained anonymous out of safety concerns.

The friend, Rachelle Kalkofen, spoke out to plead for witnesses to come forward. She identified the baby only as Viviana.

The child, who remains in critical condition, also has suffered a stroke, Kalkofen said.

"She's obviously in pain, at times upset," she said. "But she's definitely a fighter."

Adams County Sheriff's spokesman Louis Dixon III said investigators have very little to go on. So far, all they have is that the family thought they saw a small red car behind their Honda Civic when the gunfire erupted on Jan. 23.

The family had been at dinner in Northglenn, Kalkofen said. Viviana was with her mother and two older sisters - ages 6 and 4 - in the Honda, which was driven by the youngsters' aunt. Viviana was in a child-safety seat next to the window in back.

In a car ahead was Viviana's father, a brother and another man.

They were on I-25 heading south near U.S. 36 when they first realized something was wrong.

"Both women in the vehicle heard a pop and thought they had run over something," Kalkofen read from the family's statement. "Moments later they heard a second sound.

"Both adult women thought that one of the children had struck a window with a toy or another object. They noticed a strong smell and decided they were going to pull over."

Viviana's mother climbed into the back seat as one of the older children shouted that the baby was bleeding.

"As her mother climbed into the back seat, the windows began to shatter, and she yelled for all to duck because they were being shot at," Kalkofen read.

The driver turned on her hazard lights, honked the horn and drove to the center divider while she called 911 on her cell phone. She stopped the car between 58th Avenue and Interstate 70.

The right rear passenger window was shot at least three times. One bullet exited the left rear window, and another went through the windshield. Viviana's mother was shot several times in the forearm.

"It's the family's belief that certainly there must have been witnesses," Kalkofen said.

What does this have to do with gun control?
You think making guns illegal will stop people from shooting each other?

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornkitten

You dont live where I do, I notice you put your location as Amsterdam, come live here for a month it is quite different and you will want to buy a gun.

Listen Einstein, if your govenment wouldnt have allowed guns in the first place then this wouldnt needed. Dont you get it?

Fuck, if every fucking criminal can (and will) buy a rocket launcher on every corner just like they can buy guns in America then yes i will have a fucking rocket launcher as well to protect my home. Luckily enough i live in a country where being free doesnt mean you can buy a gun in every other shop. We usually dont have to fear criminals with guns. The chance i ever gonna see a gun pointed at me in Holland is very very small.

sandman! · 02-06-2004, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xenigo

Wow, what an intelligent argument... from the moron with the name HighOnAcid. Tell me you still feel this way when the 15 year old gangbanger shoots you for $20 at the ATM machine, and he got the gun from his dad's arsenal. So you're telling me he'd still have the gun regardless?

The argument you're making is one of the furthest right-wing to the extreme, hardly one of any intelligence.

Your an idiot.

ThunderBalls · 02-06-2004, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

I guess you leftist losers are against cars too.
Want me to cut and paste some stats (again) to see how many deads cars cause?

Leave it to your dumbass to come up with that argument.

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

Bring it on half wit.

Good to see you were the next idiot. You didnt have to show your stupidity again tho, i would break a keyboard on your ugly face just because you are you.

EmporerEJ · 02-06-2004, 07:45 PM

Guns don't kill people....people kill people.
Take away the guns, they'll use knives.
Take away the knives, they'll use rocks.
Take away the rocks, we'll be floating in space.

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They just sort of lay there, looking dead. I haven't killed anyone either.....yet.

MadCap · 02-06-2004, 07:45 PM

Can i have my 3 min back please

ryph · 02-06-2004, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Oh shit, next comes this other bitch (forgot her name) claming we then might as well ban cars because they kill as well.

Honestly, the next idiot who comes with arguments like this will be hunted down and beaten to death by me with a KEYBOARD.

But it fucking makes sense. cars kill people and so do guns. why outlaw guns?

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EmporerEJ
Guns don't kill people....people kill people.
Take away the guns, they'll use knives.
Take away the knives, they'll use rocks.
Take away the rocks, we'll be floating in space.

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They just sort of lay there, looking dead. I haven't killed anyone either.....yet.

Wrong!

Take away guns and there will be way less accidents. Period.

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ryph
But it fucking makes sense. cars kill people and so do guns. why outlaw guns?

What does this system need?

Guns or cars to go work?

Fuck. Stupid being stupid. Cars are needed, its a primary need for human beings...guns are not. Not at all.

Car deaths are accepted, why? Because our system simply wouldnt work without cars. Our system would work damn well tho without guns.

Fuck, i cant understand im explaining this...are people really that thick?

pornkitten · 02-06-2004, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Listen Einstein, if your govenment wouldnt have allowed guns in the first place then this wouldnt needed. Dont you get it?

Fuck, if every fucking criminal can (and will) buy a rocket launcher on every corner just like they can buy guns in America then yes i will have a fucking rocket launcher as well to protect my home. Luckily enough i live in a country where being free doesnt mean you can buy a gun in every other shop. We usually dont have to fear criminals with guns. The chance i ever gonna see a gun pointed at me in Holland is very very small.

Actually there is some truth to what you are saying but the guns are already here. I live in a place where there are such things as home invasion where criminals have come into houses and robed them while people were still in them sometimes even raped or killed them. The police aren't protecting people. To be honest it would be better if they legalized certain drugs here (I am going to hear it from someone I know) because it would lower crime. I believe this to be true from looking at England and Amsterdam. I will be the first to give up my gun once I feel safe and the criminals no longer have guns! I am moving also. Maybe to Canada I hear they can sleep with thier doors unlocked at night!

12clicks · 02-06-2004, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Good to see you were the next idiot. You didnt have to show your stupidity again tho, i would break a keyboard on your ugly face just because you are you.

but then you'd have to leave fantasy land and that's not likely to happen.

hey, tell thunderbulbs my gun is looking at me real creepy like.
I think its going to get me this time.

Carlito · 02-06-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks

I guess you leftist losers are against cars too.
Want me to cut and paste some stats (again) to see how many deads cars cause?

Hell yeah, there are times i`d rather be doing other things, than driving down the freeway.

I do believe I once saw stats indicating that more people are killed each year on the freeway, than in the vietnam war... Same goes for guns.

You can`t stop a criminal from having a gun, but you can stop law abiding citizens from owning a gun.

Reminds me, I better pack my shit for a pig hunt tomarrow.

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornkitten

Actually there is some truth to what you are saying but the guns are already here, I will be the first to give up my gun once the streets are safe!

Now we agree

The guns are already there so there simply is no way back anymore sadly enough.

Veterans Day · 02-06-2004, 07:52 PM

does our society need alcohol?

Carlito · 02-06-2004, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornkitten

I have a baby of my own but I am definately pro gun its too bad the idiots of the world have to ruin it for responsible gun owners like me. I need a gun in case someone trys to break into my house (its my constitutional right) to protect MY child. How did this happen (I am always suspicious when a child gets a gun (it shouldnt be that easy!) There are locking gun cases which you can put out of reach!! The criminals will always have guns like they have thier drugs (which are illegal). So making guns illegal only puts good people at risk. In this day and age of terorrists and all that shit Im not giving up my gun. The day they take away the right to bear arms is the day we start to lose all our personal freedoms (which constitutional right will be next? why not take away free speech too)

Rob · 02-06-2004, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veterans Day
does our society need alcohol?

Did a champagne cork smoke a family member, VDay? Seems like a lot of pent up anger geared towards alcohol seeing how you're posting it in a gun control debate/topic/moot conversation....one or the other.

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Veterans Day
does our society need alcohol?

Wow another Einstein..damn thats some witty argument dude...that really makes me think about life.

I'll get back to you next week when i recovered from your highly intellectual and confronting yet slightly sarcastic question.

ryph · 02-06-2004, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

What does this system need?

Guns or cars to go work?

Fuck. Stupid being stupid. Cars are needed, its a primary need for human beings...guns are not. Not at all.

Car deaths are accepted, why? Because our system simply wouldnt work without cars. Our system would work damn well tho without guns.

Fuck, i cant understand im explaining this...are people really that thick?

http://wwwsrch2.doa.state.la.us/news...onPrevWeek.htm

"Even products as common as mouthwash or cosmetics can be poisonous if a child swallows a large amount. These products should be locked in cabinets that are out of a child's reach"

why isn't mouthwash banned? it's not a necessity to daily life.
and check it, look at the advice they give about mouthwash, LOCK IT UP! Maybe if guns would be treated as mouthwash, there would be less accidents.

sacX · 02-06-2004, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EmporerEJ
Guns don't kill people....people kill people.
Take away the guns, they'll use knives.
Take away the knives, they'll use rocks.
Take away the rocks, we'll be floating in space.

None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They just sort of lay there, looking dead. I haven't killed anyone either.....yet.

It's harder to kill someone with a knife or a rock. Sure attacks might not go down, but fatalities would.

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ryph

http://wwwsrch2.doa.state.la.us/news...onPrevWeek.htm

"Even products as common as mouthwash or cosmetics can be poisonous if a child swallows a large amount. These products should be locked in cabinets that are out of a child's reach"

why isn't mouthwash banned? it's not a necessity to daily life.
and check it, look at the advice they give about mouthwash, LOCK IT UP!

Read the reply i gave Veterans Day. You are at his level.

Idiot.

Dirty F · 02-06-2004, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ryph

http://wwwsrch2.doa.state.la.us/news...onPrevWeek.htm

"Even products as common as mouthwash or cosmetics can be poisonous if a child swallows a large amount. These products should be locked in cabinets that are out of a child's reach"

why isn't mouthwash banned? it's not a necessity to daily life.
and check it, look at the advice they give about mouthwash, LOCK IT UP! Maybe if guns would be treated as mouthwash, there would be less accidents.

I'll quote you one more time so i can be sure people read your highly idiotic reply. This deserves a spot in the hall of shame for sure. God people are stupid...please make it stop.

ryph · 02-06-2004, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Read the reply i gave Veterans Day. You are at his level.

Idiot.

How bout a rebuttal instead of the cop out "idiot" reply. That response is directly relevant to your car argument. Just admit it, anyone who doesn't believe in what you do, is a fool.

ryph · 02-06-2004, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

I'll quote you one more time so i can be sure people read your highly idiotic reply. This deserves a spot in the hall of shame for sure. God people are stupid...please make it stop.

you got an A in debating class I see.

02-06-2004, 07:09 PM	#1
ThunderBalls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mesosphere Posts: 2,926	To everyone that fights against gun control, thank you. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...634119,00.html Infant shot on I-25 fighting for her life COMMERCE CITY - An 8-month-old girl who was shot last month as she rode with her family on Interstate 25 survived after a bullet entered the right side of her head, shattered her skull and exited through the other side. Part of the infant's skull was replaced with cadaver bones, a family friend said Thursday at a news conference here. Deputies have not identified a motive for the shooting, and the family has remained anonymous out of safety concerns. The friend, Rachelle Kalkofen, spoke out to plead for witnesses to come forward. She identified the baby only as Viviana. The child, who remains in critical condition, also has suffered a stroke, Kalkofen said. "She's obviously in pain, at times upset," she said. "But she's definitely a fighter." Adams County Sheriff's spokesman Louis Dixon III said investigators have very little to go on. So far, all they have is that the family thought they saw a small red car behind their Honda Civic when the gunfire erupted on Jan. 23. The family had been at dinner in Northglenn, Kalkofen said. Viviana was with her mother and two older sisters - ages 6 and 4 - in the Honda, which was driven by the youngsters' aunt. Viviana was in a child-safety seat next to the window in back. In a car ahead was Viviana's father, a brother and another man. They were on I-25 heading south near U.S. 36 when they first realized something was wrong. "Both women in the vehicle heard a pop and thought they had run over something," Kalkofen read from the family's statement. "Moments later they heard a second sound. "Both adult women thought that one of the children had struck a window with a toy or another object. They noticed a strong smell and decided they were going to pull over." Viviana's mother climbed into the back seat as one of the older children shouted that the baby was bleeding. "As her mother climbed into the back seat, the windows began to shatter, and she yelled for all to duck because they were being shot at," Kalkofen read. The driver turned on her hazard lights, honked the horn and drove to the center divider while she called 911 on her cell phone. She stopped the car between 58th Avenue and Interstate 70. The right rear passenger window was shot at least three times. One bullet exited the left rear window, and another went through the windshield. Viviana's mother was shot several times in the forearm. "It's the family's belief that certainly there must have been witnesses," Kalkofen said.

02-06-2004, 07:15 PM	#2
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	People that do shit like that are going to get guns one way or another. If you take away the right to bear arms it will only put innocent, responsible gun owners at risk against criminals. And I hope the baby recovers...a truly sad story. __________________

02-06-2004, 07:26 PM	#6
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	this makes as much sense as the rest of this moron's threads. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

02-06-2004, 07:30 PM	#8
synergysex Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 461	I am a firm belive in gun owner's rights. I lived only a block away from the people involved in the incident discussed in that news story. After that, I was 100%, irrevocably for removing ALL restrictions on gun ownership except those that prevent violent felons from possessing guns. http://www.gunowners.org/op0215.htm But I dont understand the topic of this post. Is the thread starter for or against gun control. I dont see how that news story makes a good arguement against gun control... yet the poster is thanking the people who fight against it? Maybe my sense of humor is dull tonight and I am not reading the sarcasim correctly? Anyway, I hope they kid gets better and they should hang the guy who did it up by his balls. __________________ Do You Hate Seatbelt Citations? Don't Get Mad, Get Organized!

02-06-2004, 07:32 PM	#11
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	We already had a similar topic few weeks ago. All the pro guns people simply say: We need them to defend ourselfs. If they are illegal the criminal still can buy them everywhere and we arent allowed to have them. Good point, exactly proves how fucked up your country is. The US is so flooded with guns that now theres no way back anymore. Make them illegal and you still can buy them on every corner. People in other countries where guns never were legal in the first place dont have to defend their homes/stores with guns because the criminal most like doesnt have a gun. Last edited by Dirty F; 02-06-2004 at 07:36 PM..

02-06-2004, 07:23 PM	#4
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	lets face it the mass amount of guns in the usa is in alot of part due to everyone is fucking racist. no one trusts the other race. and how else are americans supposed to get all our canadian drugs if they dont trade guns for it. duh.

02-06-2004, 07:26 PM	#7
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	I prefer we crack down on the loser drunk drivers that flood the streets every weekend

02-06-2004, 07:37 PM	#16
jelloman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 44	Who said only guns can kill people? Who said only guns can cause accidents? If that's the case, then I would expect all drunken drivers to be executed. Knives can kill....a fist can kill...a baseball bat can kill. Hell, even an 10incher can kill (a tight pussy that is). lol The point is that media is playing your mind man. There are many other sad stories than that one. But since it is America, you get to say what you want to say. Jibi

02-06-2004, 07:39 PM	#18
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!!! It's the bullets that usually do the most of the damage! __________________

02-06-2004, 07:43 PM	#24
ryph Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1,215	To every1 who rides a bike to work thanks http://www.car-accidents.com/ __________________ tom at ryphs dot com

02-06-2004, 07:45 PM	#32
EmporerEJ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Political subdivision United States, Continent North America, Planet Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 282	Guns don't kill people....people kill people. Take away the guns, they'll use knives. Take away the knives, they'll use rocks. Take away the rocks, we'll be floating in space. None of my guns have ever killed anyone. They just sort of lay there, looking dead. I haven't killed anyone either.....yet. __________________ Eric J. White Earn $$$ with the Virtual Sex Machine Affiliate program!

02-06-2004, 07:45 PM	#33
MadCap Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: 137771650 Minneapolis MN Posts: 2,357	Can i have my 3 min back please

02-06-2004, 07:52 PM	#41
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	does our society need alcohol?