More New Ibill and Visa shit for Canadians... - GoFuckYourself.com

directfiesta · 03-08-2004, 05:07 PM

Just received this a few minutes ago....
I had been assured that having my corp in the USA and paying their ransom fees, everything was OK.

Now they want a "US presence" and " a copy of my lease"....

Quote:

Dear Client,

It has come to our attention that your COMPANY and PRINCIPAL addresses are listed as a registration office in Delaware. To ensure that your account is processing through the correct region, we need to know where you are located.

Please complete the below information. The "company address" should be where your company does business and pays taxes relating to your business. If it is a US address, then you must have a lease which shows that you do business there. Unfortunately, we can not use the address of the registration office.

The "Principal address" must be where you live. It can not be a registration office, post office box, or any other kind of rented mail box space. It must be your place of residence in the United States.

Company Address:

Company City:

Company State:

Company Zip:

Company Country:

Contact Phone:

Principal Address:

Principal City:

Principal State/Province:

Principal Zip:

Principal Country:

Additionally, we need to know if you intend to renew your Visa registration fees this year, or if you do not wish to do so. Please indicate your desire to use iBill to process Visa transactions for another year in your response.

In order to process Visa transactions, you must do business in the United States and have a presence here. If you represent a foreign corporation that incorporated in the US, you must have Articles of Incorporation which designate a US-based principal. That person must be the iBill account holder. You must have a valid taxpayer ID for your US Corporation. You must have a valid lease, which shows that you have established a US presence for doing business. If you do not meet these requirements, you can not process Visa transactions through iBill.

Allen Barnowich
Senior Compliance Analyst

Compliance Department
Internet Billing Company (iBill)
888-237-1764 x4729

Is this required by CCbill or Epoch. If not, contact me HERE and I will switch...

detoxed · 03-08-2004, 05:08 PM

Start switching

Dveron · 03-08-2004, 05:09 PM

Why do you think CCbill or Epoch won't follow their lead?

DatingGold · 03-08-2004, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
Just received this a few minutes ago....
I had been assured that having my corp in the USA and paying their ransom fees, everything was OK.

Now they want a "US presence" and " a copy of my lease"....

Is this required by CCbill or Epoch. If not, contact me HERE and I will switch...

just switch over to EU

StuartD · 03-08-2004, 05:10 PM

Canadians get the bum rush... and why?

jact · 03-08-2004, 05:11 PM

Last time I spoke with CCBill, you're good to go, however you aren't for Epoch as of the last time I inquired.

directfiesta · 03-08-2004, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dveron
Why do you think CCbill or Epoch won't follow their lead?

I don't.

And I just payed my yearly registrar fee and my delaware fee...
I am NOW in a Florida Airport. If I had gotten that a few days ago, I would have made them a visit in the Deerfield Beach offices!

I am switching tonight my join pages to my Euro billers with whom I don't have this horseshit...

Time to reactivate my site:

http://www.ibillsucks.info ( com and net ore owned by Ibill ...)

xxxdesign-net · 03-08-2004, 05:14 PM

Ibill told me not too long ago that i didnt need a principal living in the US... Glad I never trusted them and still trying to find myself a US principal... and go with either CCBill, Epoch or Jettis...

It would just be nice if CCBill for exemple would try to help canadian webmaster a little more... I've asked them a couple of time some directions on how to find a US principal.. where to go, what their other canadian webmasters have done.. etc... and all I get is ... "you're on your on dude.. we know nothing... " wtf!?

edit: Im incorporated in the states btw.. have my EIN, US mail adress, etc...

xxxdesign-net · 03-08-2004, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dveron
Why do you think CCbill or Epoch won't follow their lead?

already done.... long time ago..

benc · 03-08-2004, 05:15 PM

I'm almost thinking of using Ibill for an upcoming project. I live two minutes from their office, so it would be nice to have a processor that is so close incase I ever need to bitch them out.

MichaelP · 03-08-2004, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by benc
I'm almost thinking of using Ibill for an upcoming project. I live two minutes from their office, so it would be nice to have a processor that is so close incase I ever need to bitch them out.

hum better to ask them if they can install you a room. cause you,ll be there very often...

Martin · 03-08-2004, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DatingGold

just switch over to EU

That's what I'm doing.

xxxdesign-net · 03-08-2004, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin
That's what I'm doing.

that wont matter... you'll need a principal living in the EU...

anyone has more on this?

Shoplifter · 03-08-2004, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
Just received this a few minutes ago....
I had been assured that having my corp in the USA and paying their ransom fees, everything was OK.

Now they want a "US presence" and " a copy of my lease"....

This is one of those things that everyone was saying was coming this March.

So you are a Canadian citizen with a USA company? If you have the EIN and file taxes in USA it is all legal.

What brought this on, is the money wired to Canada or something?

doober · 03-08-2004, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DatingGold

just switch over to EU

what he said

skillfull · 03-08-2004, 06:15 PM

move to costa rica

ZoiNk · 03-08-2004, 06:15 PM

From what I was hearing originally is you have to Have a US citizen as 51% or higher owner in the US company to process with the 3rd party processors. Just having a US business wasn't valid with Visa.

ZoiNk

coolandthegang · 03-08-2004, 06:18 PM

screw'em all!

MasterBlogger · 03-08-2004, 06:22 PM

MasterBlogger · 03-08-2004, 06:27 PM

Interesting but expected.

You will not be able to buy porn with a US based Visa unless it is US based and 2257 compliant. When those other countries catch up to the fact that there will be no aroused genitals or reproductive fluids on their directly accessed domain name - they can rejoin.

Wake up to the news.

I'm staying in the US.
I will be staying with US based 2257 compliant suppliers.

And so should you.

MarkIBill · 03-08-2004, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
Just received this a few minutes ago....
I had been assured that having my corp in the USA and paying their ransom fees, everything was OK.

Now they want a "US presence" and " a copy of my lease"....

Is this required by CCbill or Epoch. If not, contact me HERE and I will switch...

diectfiesta, contact me tomorrow. [email protected]. 954-363-4602.

MasterBlogger · 03-08-2004, 06:35 PM

If they demand more of you - I'm moving too.

BCS · 03-08-2004, 06:57 PM

Hey Guys,

Have a new alternative for you. HIt me up on ICQ. Don't believe the VISA hype.

Ray@TastyDollars · 03-08-2004, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MasterBlogger
Interesting but expected.

You will not be able to buy porn with a US based Visa unless it is US based

Scary thought. Hope that shit wont happen!

Quote:

Originally posted by MasterBlogger
that wont matter... you'll need a principal living in the EU... [/B]

Another scary though. Need more input!

directfiesta · 03-09-2004, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter

This is one of those things that everyone was saying was coming this March.

So you are a Canadian citizen with a USA company? If you have the EIN and file taxes in USA it is all legal.

What brought this on, is the money wired to Canada or something?

A bit tired, just got off the plane.

No, ach into New York Bank. I have my EIN and filed my first IRS report and payment.

I was to open another US corp for a joint venture for six sites that should gross about 40,000.00 a month. Since I was on holiday for the last 3 weeks, well I postponed it. Good thing....

One of the partners in the joint-venture is not only the biggest adult mail-order in Canada, but also the biggest independent ( not a major like Time-life,...) mail order of general product on video and dvd, advertised on most TV stations here , and also rack jobbed in Walmart in the US....

Don't think Visa would want to loose his business...

directfiesta · 03-09-2004, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarkIBill

diectfiesta, contact me tomorrow. [email protected]. 954-363-4602.

I was in Fort Lauderdale all day. If I had got this email before, I wouldn't of phone you, but pay you a visit in Deerfield. I was in South Florida for more than 3 weeks....

Why should I spend a nickel to call you. I offer a 800 number to my clients, even during my holidays ( that number follows me) .
Can't you do the same?

What I don't appreciate from Ibill is the lies, or the incompetence. Your choice. Why wasn't I told that 18 months ago????

Rictor · 03-09-2004, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

Time to reactivate my site:

http://www.ibillsucks.info ( com and net ore owned by Ibill ...)

HAHAHA.

SleazyDream · 03-09-2004, 12:12 AM

ok, this US lease thing is new.

not hard to get around though - have your US principal lease you a corner of his bedroom closet for $1/month - that would legally satisfy it.

Webby · 03-09-2004, 12:29 AM

directfiesta:

Quote:

" a copy of my lease"....

Sheesh... it's getting worse!!

Can you imagine a normal company rushing into the filing cabinet to find a copy of their lease for a damned processor???

They'd be told to go get fucked!! :-)

Sorry they are screwing you more! I would seriously suggest you get out of that scenario one way or other.

Webby · 03-09-2004, 12:33 AM

skillfull:

Quote:

move to costa rica

Somebody knows something!!

I knew it was all worthwhile :-)

petepete · 03-09-2004, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

that wont matter... you'll need a principal living in the EU...

anyone has more on this?

Yeah... what if Ibill starts requires these?

I understand that now it's enough to have any kind of UE address (not necessary company) to process VISA with IBILL.

Webby · 03-09-2004, 01:24 AM

petepete:

Quote:

Yeah... what if Ibill starts requires these?

I understand that now it's enough to have any kind of UE address (not necessary company) to process VISA with IBILL.

Tis probably better to have a company - in fact several companies in different jurisdictions that can be used as needed. They don't actually cost that much - ya just have to do some research over time and choose what is most suitable.

The VISA rules do not apply to the rest of the world - tho VISA may wish to think so :-) The other banking regions apart from North America have not agreed (and don't look like agreeing) to their crap. This is too complex and does not fit within the laws of several countries, so I doubt there will be much change in IBill EU wanting info!

sexsup · 03-09-2004, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta
Now they want a "US presence" and " a copy of my lease"...

It sucks, but VISA is behind

MarkIBill · 03-09-2004, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

I was in Fort Lauderdale all day. If I had got this email before, I wouldn't of phone you, but pay you a visit in Deerfield. I was in South Florida for more than 3 weeks....

Why should I spend a nickel to call you. I offer a 800 number to my clients, even during my holidays ( that number follows me) .
Can't you do the same?

What I don't appreciate from Ibill is the lies, or the incompetence. Your choice. Why wasn't I told that 18 months ago????

You can call me toll free at 888-237-1764 x4602

xxxdesign-net · 03-09-2004, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby

The VISA rules do not apply to the rest of the world - tho VISA may wish to think so :-) The other banking regions apart from North America have not agreed (and don't look like agreeing) to their crap. This is too complex and does not fit within the laws of several countries, so I doubt there will be much change in IBill EU wanting info!

Are you saying that CCBill doesnt require you to have a principal living in the EU if you are incorporated there !?

Anyone of CCBill on that?

AND WOULD SOMEONE FROM A 3RD PARTY CC PROCESSOR BE "KIND ENOUGH" TO HELP SOME OF THE CANADIAN WEBMASTERS WITH THE "PRINCIPAL" PROBLEM..!???? Directions would be appreciated

(we dont all have friends we trust with our life living in the States.. to use as the principal!!) Is incorporated in EU a solution? And for how long!? lol

emmanuelle · 03-09-2004, 09:24 AM

Incorporate in Nevada- You'll need to have a 'resident agent ' there. Have the checks go to that person and then be forwarded to yourself in Canada.

directfiesta · 03-09-2004, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarkIBill

You can call me toll free at 888-237-1764 x4602

Voice mail. Left you a CLEAR message.

Nysus · 03-09-2004, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

Voice mail. Left you a CLEAR message.

"IBill Sucks" ?

Cheers,
Matt

Nysus · 03-09-2004, 10:27 AM

I heard from a little birdy that it's best to give Mark from IBill a call to get the answers.

Cheers,
Matt

hoe_vender · 03-09-2004, 11:01 AM

ibill sucks what can you do

xxxdesign-net · 03-09-2004, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by emmanuelle
Incorporate in Nevada- You'll need to have a 'resident agent ' there. Have the checks go to that person and then be forwarded to yourself in Canada.

Hey Linda... Im incorporated in Delaware... and have a resident agent there (a lawyer) ... however he doesnt want to be the principal of my company and give out his personal info like SNN#, passport or drivers license to CCBill for exemple...

I think its all like that.. incorporation services offer resident agents but dont want to be the "principal" required by Visa... and give out personall info the cc processors...

Did anyone using incorporation services had their resident agent actually give personal info to the cc processor..?

jungar · 03-09-2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

Are you saying that CCBill doesnt require you to have a principal living in the EU if you are incorporated there !?

Anyone of CCBill on that?

AND WOULD SOMEONE FROM A 3RD PARTY CC PROCESSOR BE "KIND ENOUGH" TO HELP SOME OF THE CANADIAN WEBMASTERS WITH THE "PRINCIPAL" PROBLEM..!???? Directions would be appreciated (we dont all have friends we trust with our life living in the States.. to use as the principal!!) Is incorporated in EU a solution? And for how long!? lol

xxxdesign-net,

myVirtualCard can be of service; we can process for canadian merchants. There are no complications, no foreign incorporations required.

You can visit our site at www.myvirtualcard.com

Or, email me at Jungar-at-myvirtualcard.com

Regards,

Joshua Ungar
myVirtualCard

MarkIBill · 03-09-2004, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

Voice mail. Left you a CLEAR message.

Direct Fiesta. Would still like to speak to you. You didn't leave a number. I'll track it down with your rep Sharmaine. Mark

MarkIBill · 03-09-2004, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxdesign-net

Are you saying that CCBill doesnt require you to have a principal living in the EU if you are incorporated there !?

Anyone of CCBill on that?

AND WOULD SOMEONE FROM A 3RD PARTY CC PROCESSOR BE "KIND ENOUGH" TO HELP SOME OF THE CANADIAN WEBMASTERS WITH THE "PRINCIPAL" PROBLEM..!???? Directions would be appreciated (we dont all have friends we trust with our life living in the States.. to use as the principal!!) Is incorporated in EU a solution? And for how long!? lol

We currently have a handful of clients that we are working with to ensure they meet association compliance rules. This is a situation that we hope to resolve with our clients in a manner that benefits all parties. Again, only a few clients have been contacted and we hope to resolve any issues in a manner that will not affect their ability to take transactions. Please contact your sales rep or myself if you have any questions.

jpoker · 03-11-2004, 01:26 AM

Directfiesta,
have you been able to make any progress with iBill
with this issue?

- jpoker

Mr. Marks · 03-11-2004, 02:26 AM

I'd better start switching.

03-11-2004, 07:07 AM

Move to offshores

Platinum Dave · 03-11-2004, 07:13 AM

This is Visa requesting the info not iBill by itself.

C&S · 03-11-2004, 03:38 PM

If you are looking for an offshore merchant account, I can help you acquire them. Feel free to email or call me.

Sean
[email protected] or 517-540-9547.

directfiesta · 03-11-2004, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jpoker
Directfiesta,
have you been able to make any progress with iBill
with this issue?

- jpoker

Had other business to take care. I will call again Mark tomorrow, but our four new megasites will be handled thru our own merchant account in Canada.

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xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Ibill told me not too long ago that i didnt need a principal living in the US... Glad I never trusted them and still trying to find myself a US principal... and go with either CCBill, Epoch or Jettis... It would just be nice if CCBill for exemple would try to help canadian webmaster a little more... I've asked them a couple of time some directions on how to find a US principal.. where to go, what their other canadian webmasters have done.. etc... and all I get is ... "you're on your on dude.. we know nothing... " wtf!? edit: Im incorporated in the states btw.. have my EIN, US mail adress, etc... Last edited by xxxdesign-net; 03-08-2004 at 05:18 PM..

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