Rictor

Mom Tosses Baby To Save From Pit Bull
Toddler, Mom Injured In Attack

POSTED: 4:42 pm EDT May 11, 2004
UPDATED: 6:56 pm EDT May 11, 2004

COCOA, Fla. -- Police in Cocoa are crediting a woman with saving the life of her baby boy by throwing him over a fence after being attacked by a pit bull dog Tuesday, according to Local 6 News.


Amanda Ibraham, 18, had numerous bites on her face, arms, chest and legs but was conscious as she was being treated by paramedics.

The 1-year-old boy, Keyshawn, had a 4-inch gash on his abdomen. Ibraham likely saved her son's life by throwing him over a fence after he was attacked by the apparently stray dog, said Barbara Matthews, spokeswoman for the Cocoa Police Department.

"The dog attacked the woman and the baby," said Matthews. "She was able to throw her baby over a fence. Truly, she saved his life."

The bloodied mother ran to a nearby home's screened-in porch as the dog followed her. Several people who saw the attack used cinder blocks and children's toys in an effort to keep the dog off the woman, officials said.

Police arrived moments later and first tried to use a stun gun on the dog. Another officer then fatally shot the dog.

The baby and mother were being flown to Arnold Palmer Hospital for Children & Women in Orlando.


http://www.local6.com/news/3293334/detail.html

nathan_f

not the greatest title..

sad story regardless, people that dont know how to handle dogs, should not own them in the first place.

Rictor

It's the best title ever because it's true. Half the people I know have been attacked be their neighbors pitbull, their own pitbull, or a stray pitbull. They're a menace and the people that breed them are even worse.

nathan_f

I've had nothing but good experiences with them (i used to own one), as well as friends who have one. People are going insane blaming breeds, even to get house insurance where i live, you can be denied if you have a certain breed.. now that's pathetic.

It depends on the dogs temperament, and the training it has, but, it all boils down the the fact it's still an animal...and a dog will bite, it's what they do..

WarChild

Ignornace is bliss.

DR_PHIL

god damn

MrIzzz

come hang out in spanish harlem for a night and i'll show you what a pitbull is really capable of doing

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Rictor

Your insurance SHOULD be higher if you own a pitbull. There's no fucking chance of a pomeranian or poodle attacking and seriously injuring a grown person, but a pitbull can do a lot of damage.

And it doesn't matter how well-trained a dog is, it's still and animal and it's still subject to occasional irrational behavior that humans do not understand.

KMR Stitch

Damn, Not very far from me.


5 mins away.

CamChicks

So is it the size of the dog you object to?
The average pitbull is a medium sized dog relative to other breeds.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Fin...itbull_v3.html

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dougeetx

The story says it was a stray.

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JSA Matt

Cocoa is a real shit hole, i've seen them feeding drugs (crack) to all the stray dogs running around there

KMR, i'm pretty sure Cocoa is about an hour from Orlando

crockett

Cocoa is very close to here (like 20 miles).. I can bet you anything that was in the hood. All the wanna be hommie gangbangs have pitbulls in that area.. They busted a bunch of them a few years ago having dog fights, wouldn't suprise me if they were still doing it.

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Rictor

Size is a smaller factor than the fact that pit bulls are a very agressive breed, but sure, I don't see a reason to have a lot of larger, dangerous breeds such as rottweilers as pets.

Yes, if you keep your dog locked in your house and don't let it roam the neighborhood, it's supposedly not a menace to society, but dogs escape houses, they escape fenced in back yards, it's just a fact of life.

Rictor

Yah, pit bulls are a ghetto staple. They're as common as drugs and hand guns.

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WarChild

My rottweilers are my pets and my responsibility. Who are you to say what I can't have?

You own a car? I can't trust that you won't get drunk, drive and kill somebody. Sorry no more car.

WarChild

THE BREED FACTOR
Many communities and cities believe that the solution to prevent severe and fatal dog attacks is to label, restrict or ban certain breeds of dogs as potentially dangerous. If the breed of dog was the primary or sole determining factor in a fatal dog attack, it would necessarily stand to reason that since there are literally millions of Rottweilers, Pit Bulls and German Shepherd Dogs in the United States, there would have to be countless more than an approximate 20 human fatalities per year.

Since only an infinitesimal number of any breed is implicated in a human fatality, it is not only unreasonable to characterize this as a specific breed behavior by which judge an entire population of dogs, it also does little to prevent fatal or severe dog attacks as the real causes and events that contribute to a fatal attack are masked by the issue of breed and not seriously addressed.

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

Rictor

There's some logic to what you say. Drivers licenses are much too easy to get and much too easy to keep after your first drunk driving offense. I think those laws should be much harsher.

And in keeping with that line of thought, if you need a license to own/operate a dangerous tool like a car, it makes sense you should need a license and training to own a potentially dangerous animal.

WarChild

I'm familiar with the breed, I've worked with a private trainer, and I have my dogs under control at all times.

They are behind not one, but two fences. When I take them out of the yard, they are leashed and on corrective collars. They can't yank hard enough, with these collars on, to possibly get out of my control.

They've never been out alone, and they never will.

That being said... I also don't think they'd ever hurt anyone. They were raised with a baby in the house, are well socialized and love people. I still don't take any chances though. That's being a responsible owner. And yet you don't want me to have my pets because of their breed?

Did you know that worldwide, 52 seperate breeds of dogs have been involved in fatal dog attacks. Do you plan to ban them all?

bringer

although they are generally more agressive/protective, not all pitbulls are evil dogs waiting for babies to attack.

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bringer

so what you're saying is, owning a dog over 15lbs should require higher insurance premiums?

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dig420

clue #1: his name was Keyshawn
clue #2: the dog was a stray

Any big dog that's been mistreated is a danger, and there are thousands of them in every ghetto neighborhood. Don't blame the dog, blame the idiot gangster that wanted to make him mean so he could fight him or who let his dog breed and then couldn't take care of the puppies.

A chow, rottwieler, St. Bernard, German Shepard, a fucking POODLE is dangerous if not raised right and taken care of by a responsible owner.

By the way, this kind of shit happens all the time with other breeds of dog, but it never makes the front page of any newspaper. Only when it's a Pit does it get this kind of coverage.

CDSmith

Bravo.


Rictor, I don't offen find myself agreeing with you, but when I do I say so. In these "dog attack" news articles it is always the same fucking breeds over and over again.... pitbulls mostly, but a few other breeds too. Over and over and over. Yes there are responsible owners who look after and train their dogs, but there are far too many idiots who neglect or mistreat their aggressive breeds, and that ruins it for everyone who owns that breed.

There is a small town in southern Manitoba that has banned several aggressive breeds period, and frankly.... I can't say as I blame them. People are sick to death of hearing about kids getting torn to shit by someone's god damned pitbull or rotty etc.

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dig420

I have two myself that don't get out without me or my gf. When they first started getting bigger I didn't realize how athletic they were and they got out twice before I finally got the fence high enough, and all they did was try to play basketball with the girls next door.

Pits are not naturally people aggessive, they have to be trained into that unless there are genetic problems with the dog, which is actually fairly common because of all the scumbag backyard breeders interested in the Pit. A normal Pit is good to people, dangerous to other dogs (sometimes, depending on the dog's temperament).

dig420

there's a guy who called a newspaper to report a dangerous dog that had went after some people, the dog was an Akita or something like that. The paper couldn't have been less interested. He got pissed off, called another paper and said it was a Pit Bull. They told him a reporter would be over within the hour.

Pit Bull copy sells. Akitas and Irish Wolfhounds do not.

bringer

all animals are dangerous to one extent or another. ive seen a lab, the supposed "friendly dog" attack and kill another dog. so dont tell me that pitbulls and rotts are evil because they attack humans. the basic fact is, the bigger the dog, the more damage they can cause. pitbulls and rottweilers are generally abused and trained to fight because of their size and muscle mass, which might be a major factor in attacks caused by these breeds. werent the dogs in sf that killed that lady trained fighting dogs?

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pitbulls are for real men


real fucking insecure men

Trixie

Doesn't make sense to mix up fatal and severe dog attacks. With the advances in medicine many people are surviving attacks & accidents of all kinds (guns, dogs, knives, whatever) that would have been fatal years ago. So what if no one dies? If a little kid is mauled by a dog, it's a fucking tragedy. My sister is a nurse and sees this shit all the time - lots of sad freaky stories.

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bringer

we could use the same logic to ban alcohol, vechiles... pretty much anything that might be a danger to someone at one point or another. we shouldnt make laws to ban something because a select few abuse a privilege.

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beemk

ignorant thread #434,234,657,134 by rictor this week.

you keep showing him the facts and he just doesnt want to hear them. its not the dogs its the fact that the majority of irresponsible people that want dogs want pitbulls. all dogs can be dangerous.

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CamChicks

Generally 'pitbulls' who are not socialized early with other doggie friends are more likely to be aggressive toward other dogs. This is an unfortunate leftover from past bloodlines being used in dogfights.

The flip side of this is that pitbulls are genetically predisposed to be one of the least aggressive to humans, due to the need for humans to be able to step inbetween two dogs fighting and seperate them. Dogs that attacked handlers were culled.

This is why pitbulls make poor gaurd dogs. But the media has been selling the image of the 'tough pitbull' image to ghetto youth and the 'monster pitbull' image to soccer moms for a decade. Reality is no deterrant to the poor uneducated fools.

Some insecure wannabe toughguys think a dog will make them look more tough. These people care nothing about animals but 'heard pitbulls are mean'. The breed is more likely to be adopted by the wrong people, but that's not the breeds fault. If the dog doesn't act scary enough, some owners will do everything abusive thing possible to try and turn it into a human-hating dog, even though that goes against its nature.

But as a testament to just how much these dogs really love people, if you watch those 'Animal Cop' shows you will see many dogs who have endured horrendous abuse at the hands of humans, and yet they are still happy to meet the shelter staff.

That's why this breed has so many defenders. They are the happiest silliest friendliest little goofballs, if raised in a family without violence.


Dogs must be socialized. With people and other animals. Dogs are protective, and it should be obvious that dogs kept chained up in backyards will never learn what is and isn't a threat.

Dogs will always be a part of society. If you got rid of every pitbull and rottweiler and ... (what other breeds scare you? german shepards? black labs? mastiffs? great danes?) ... it would only take a few dog generations (maybe 10-20 years) for the jerks who want vicious dogs to create new lines of fighting 'breeds'. You just couple the most aggressive males and the most aggressive females, then you have a 'breed' of killer golden retrievers.

What the dog looks like is the least important thing about it. There is no way to genetically test what lines a dog comes from or even what breeds it has in it. The scary thing about pitbull hysteria is that most people can't tell a stafforshire terrier from a boxer from a bulldog. (the point of that 'game' link I posted)

We need to start punishing the owners, and treating dog abuse the same way we treat child abuse, with equivalent sentancing. Dogs, like people, are a product of their upbringing. Breeds, like human races, have less impact on behavior than where/how you grew up. At thier core, people are people and dogs are dogs.

I could take any child.. black, brown, yellow, white.. and turn him homicidal. Would you blame his race?

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WarChild

Absolutely .. But Trixie, I'm sure an example could be found of EVERY breed of dog, at one time or another, attacking someone.

So we plan to ban all dogs then?

bringer

wrong thread to make a point. people posting here just want a place to complain and make statements unchallenged. expect this to be the only reply to your post

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dig420

Good point camchicks, and I can tell you've done your research. Any dog trainer will tell you Pits make terrible guard dogs because left alone, they just won't attack a human intruder in most cases. If you try to train them to attack, they're liable to attack anything at any time and can't be called off on command. It just makes them crazy when you train them to be aggressive to humans, literally. It's totally against their genetics.

kemp

I was attacked by a chihuahua the other day. Those fuckers are annoying - they should be banned - or better yet be exterminated like rats.

I currently own a pitbull and this dog is the friendliest fucking dog I ever had. She plays with the neighbors 10 lb. chihuahua all the time. Funny thing is if anyone or anything threatens her she (honest to god) pees herself and runs away.

Not all pit bulls are killers, only the ones who are trained to be killers become that way. And in the ghettos there is a market for trained killer pit bulls so I do think the license idea brought up by someone may be a good one...

If someone trained a chihuahua to be a killer it could do it, the only reason nobody bothers is that genetically they are weaker and would only be able to kill smaller dogs.

If anyone is scared of pit bulls you should meet mine and your mind will immediately change about the temperment of these animals.

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ocho-ocho

i would rather do the same thing if my baby gets attacked by a pitbull or whatever breeds they are...

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WarChild

Thugs in the ghetto like to use baseball bats to beat people.

I'm calling for a ban on all baseball bats.

Nbritte

The fact that some pitbulls are dangerous and some breeders are stupid doesnt mean all putbill are dangerous and all breeders are stupid. The problem is that a pitbull that doesnt attack people is not news worthy so you are not going to hear about them. My son breeds pit bulls and has never had one of the dogs that he breeds attack anyone. Saying that someone is a menace because they breed pitbulls just seems a bit foolish my

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dig420

sorry. All breeders are evil.

johnbosh

lol

Trixie

Every pit bull I've personally encountered being walked by its owner or whatever has seemed like a sweet dog. But as someone else pointed out, animals are unpredictable. Even the best trained and most humanely-treated animals can snap or have a bad day. I have a friend whose pit bull turned against her completely unpredictably and out of the blue. Obviously the results from a dog with a monster jaw bred to go for the throat and hold on is going to have pretty severe implications that a chihuahua's bite won't.

Oh well . . . good points all around. I admit, I am pretty scared of dogs. They are animals with teeth that people cannot control 24-7 (hasn't anyone read The Green Mile?). Anyone who thinks, "my dog would never do that" is in denial. I would feel safer hanging around with a dog whose owner admits "my dog has never bitten anyone . . . but hey, someday he might" than someone who brags about how their dog wouldn't hurt a fly.

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rip raster

We have a 1 year old pitbull and a 15 year old rottie lab cross, both dogs are extremely tame. As a matter of fact the cat will chase the pittie around the house if it pisses him off. It is all in how the dog is raised/trained

WarChild

Wild animals are unpredictable. The dogs we keep as pets today are long since domesticated.

I really don't believe this. A well trained, properly bread, humanely-treated animal does not as a rule just "snap". I'm sure there are some exeptions to this, but for the most part it's true.
When's the last time you've heard about a Police dog, trained as "manstopper" (Term for dogs trained to stop a man) turning on and killing it's handler? It doesn't happen.

How was this pil bull trained? By professionals? Was it kept up?This suggests that the animal did not recognize your friend as the Alpha male (or female as the case may be).

It's not so much the strength of the dog, but the ability to lock it's jaw. Pitbulls were NOT bread to go for human throats and hold on. IN fact, agression towards humans has been bread out by people wishing to fight these dogs. Fact of the matter is, a pittbull is less likely to attack a human than most other breeds.


In 30 years of having dogs, never have I had one bite a person. My dogs have always been well trained (by my parents when I was a child, obviously) and unquestionably obey important commands like "Down". I can say with almost absolute certaintity, these dogs will never "snap" on me, or anyone else.

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