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rayzor · 05-12-2004, 06:04 PM

After 2+ years in the biz, doing free sites, gallery submitting, AVS and working for a sponsor, I am ready to start my own paysite! I've been doing alot of research on GFY the last couple of days looking for a good CC processor. I came up with deciding between CCBill, Ibill, Epoch/Paycom, and Jettis.

Here are my thoughts on each of them:
CCBill - most small individual paysites use them, scrubs REALLY hard
Ibill - less sites use them than CCBill, stats suck, bashed a lot on GFY; since they got sold, unsure about their future
Epoch/Paycom - pretty good rep
Jettis - less processing fees than the rest (unsure if this is still true)

BTW, I promote a dozen Ibill sites and a dozen CCBill sites over the years. By far I'm getting more sales through IBill.
It seems that most partnership programs use CCBill and Ibill and most PPS use Epoch and Jettis. Is there a reason why more small sites with partnerships don't use Epoch?

Also, I am in the US so that should expand my list of available processors. I will probably be promoting it myself and maybe allow a few webmasters to as well. Eventually I will get software for a real affiliate program and open it up to more webmasters. At least that is the plan!

I know the optimal solution is to get a merchant account and use a gateway like Epoch or NetBilling, but I'm not quite there yet.

Any recommendations? And please, no one word answers! I would love some input from paysite owners. Thanks!

Ray@TastyDollars · 05-12-2004, 06:08 PM

Hey

Why have only one? Multiple is the way to go buuud. If you need to talk to someone, I have good contacts over at CCbill and IBill.

BTW: Take a look around, some of your old buds are peaking in, LOL

Ray

Webby · 05-12-2004, 06:09 PM

Ray:

Quote:

Multiple is the way to go buuud.

Sound advice these days!

Ray@TastyDollars · 05-12-2004, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
Ray:

Sound advice these days!

Theo · 05-12-2004, 06:13 PM

since you plan to mostly use the sites with your own traffic,in your position i would get a merchant account.

Webby · 05-12-2004, 06:18 PM

Just another thought - If you do decide to stay with third party billing companies, use all the main one's and have some backup processors...

Also... I think the general foremost thought is not to let any one processor hold your business - ie .. the recurring biz. If need be have rotating sign up pages to balance the risk :-)

icedemon · 05-12-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
since you plan to mostly use the sites with your own traffic,in your position i would get a merchant account.

He might have a hard time getting one unless he is doing over $100,000 a month. I've heard about some new options for the smaller guy coming soon. But your pretty limited on merchant account options if your from the US unless your well established. Just my

rayzor · 05-12-2004, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
Hey

Why have only one? Multiple is the way to go buuud. If you need to talk to someone, I have good contacts over at CCbill and IBill.

BTW: Take a look around, some of your old buds are peaking in, LOL

Ray

Because currently I'm on a budget. I want to do cascading later on. For now one will be fine.

I mentioned to you about the high scrubbing CCBill does. I thought you recommended Epoch for me.. LOL

rayzor · 05-12-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by icedemon
He might have a hard time getting one unless he is doing over $100,000 a month. I've heard about some new options for the smaller guy coming soon. But your pretty limited on merchant account options if your from the US unless your well established. Just my

I don't think I'll qualify for a merchant account for some time.

Theo · 05-12-2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by icedemon
He might have a hard time getting one unless he is doing over $100,000 a month.

i didnt know the limit is that high

thanks icedemon

rayzor · 05-12-2004, 06:36 PM

Guys,

Thanks for all the replies. I'm looking for only one processor initially. I will eventually have backups but don't need them at this time. Just want to get things started. What I'm interested in is what everyone's view of epoch and jettis is? I think those are what I'm leaning toward to.

Peaches · 05-12-2004, 06:48 PM

I agree with the cascading situation for CC processors. Epoch and Jettis are both awesome companies, as is CCBill.

And if I might add, I know of an EXCELLENT check processing company! (see sig

)

rayzor · 05-12-2004, 09:12 PM

bump

chupacabra · 05-12-2004, 09:22 PM

don't count out Verotel as your sole processing option rayzor... but also, do *not* use their freebie "Ticketclub" option, use their "PRO" service or not at all.

they have been kicking ass for sales when many other processors have displayed bad numbers in recent months, and haven't ever missed a wire for us. they are also based in europe so they are inherently more shielded from possible amerikan crackdowns in the future.

NETbilling · 05-13-2004, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by rayzor
I don't think I'll qualify for a merchant account for some time.

Hi,

While you may not have enough volume to justify your own merchant account yet, We can certainly process checks for you and save you money. We charge only 2.25% and 40¢ per transaction with no setup fee.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Thank you, Mitch Farber

HMS · 05-13-2004, 07:18 AM

I provide adult merchant account, but we are currently only taking on those who process $100K a month or more, have low CB's, and have been in the business for a while (2 years).

While you are building the biz to meet these stats, 3rd party is the way to go. I have strong ties with Jettis and would highly recommend them.

Call Terry Crane @ Jettis 818-597-6302

Let him know Steve from Humboldt Merchant Services sent you....they will work with you and get you going...

Steve Kimberling, AVP
Humboldt Merchant Services
877-635-3339

jungar · 05-13-2004, 08:19 AM

Rayzor,

We can offer you a third party solution. Hit me up for further details:

jungar-at-myvirtualcard.com

Best,

Joshua Ungar
myVirtualCard
www.myvirtualcard.com

rayzor · 05-13-2004, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling
Hi,

While you may not have enough volume to justify your own merchant account yet, We can certainly process checks for you and save you money. We charge only 2.25% and 40¢ per transaction with no setup fee.

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Thank you, Mitch Farber

Cool. I will contact you once I get a cc processor setup and ready to put in alternate billing methods.

rayzor · 05-13-2004, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jungar
Rayzor,

We can offer you a third party solution. Hit me up for further details:

jungar-at-myvirtualcard.com

Best,

Joshua Ungar
myVirtualCard
www.myvirtualcard.com

This doesn't seem ideal for a main cc processing solution. Maybe as a alternate billing solution later on.

rayzor · 05-13-2004, 09:54 AM

Can anyone answer me this question: Why do most individual webmasters (1 or 2 paysites) opt for CCBill or IBill whereas most large programs with multiple sites use Epoch or Jettis? Is the reason that it's easier to set up a revshare program with CCBill/IBill?

rayzor · 05-13-2004, 12:10 PM

bump.

Comments about Epoch and Jettis, other than they are solid, seems to be few and far between on GFY. It is because most guys here have small programs and are using CCBill? Is there reason why more small guys don't use Epoch/Jettis?

Comments?

rayzor · 05-13-2004, 12:34 PM

It must be because it's the first nice, HOT day on the East Coast and no one's on GFY to answer my questions.

foolio · 05-13-2004, 12:36 PM

ccbill rocks

maxsweet · 05-13-2004, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rayzor
bump.

Comments about Epoch and Jettis, other than they are solid, seems to be few and far between on GFY. It is because most guys here have small programs and are using CCBill? Is there reason why more small guys don't use Epoch/Jettis?

Comments?

The built in affiliate program solutions that Epoch and Jettis offer are very basic with very few reporting functions.
This is why larger programs with their own affiliate software will use them but small sites stick with ccbill or ibill that offer alot more functions in their affiliate software.

rayzor · 05-13-2004, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maxsweet
The built in affiliate program solutions that Epoch and Jettis offer are very basic with very few reporting functions.
This is why larger programs with their own affiliate software will use them but small sites stick with ccbill or ibill that offer alot more functions in their affiliate software.

Thanks maxsweet for the useful answer

I'll probably be promoting myself until I can roll out a real affiliate program so I won't need CCBill or IBill's affiliate features. Now the choice is between Epoch or Jettis. Guess I'll give them a call. Thanks everyone!

Nad · 05-13-2004, 01:49 PM

I would call all 3 of the larger ones, ccbill, epoch and ibill. You do not have to use their affiliate programs. you can use your own with any of them. Large companies are with epoch because of the opt out cross sell... keeps the transaction count high and the chargeback percentage low. CCbill/iBill is the way to go now-a-days

05-12-2004, 06:04 PM	#1
rayzor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Br00klyn, NY Posts: 245	cc processor recommendations After 2+ years in the biz, doing free sites, gallery submitting, AVS and working for a sponsor, I am ready to start my own paysite! I've been doing alot of research on GFY the last couple of days looking for a good CC processor. I came up with deciding between CCBill, Ibill, Epoch/Paycom, and Jettis. Here are my thoughts on each of them: CCBill - most small individual paysites use them, scrubs REALLY hard Ibill - less sites use them than CCBill, stats suck, bashed a lot on GFY; since they got sold, unsure about their future Epoch/Paycom - pretty good rep Jettis - less processing fees than the rest (unsure if this is still true) BTW, I promote a dozen Ibill sites and a dozen CCBill sites over the years. By far I'm getting more sales through IBill. It seems that most partnership programs use CCBill and Ibill and most PPS use Epoch and Jettis. Is there a reason why more small sites with partnerships don't use Epoch? Also, I am in the US so that should expand my list of available processors. I will probably be promoting it myself and maybe allow a few webmasters to as well. Eventually I will get software for a real affiliate program and open it up to more webmasters. At least that is the plan! I know the optimal solution is to get a merchant account and use a gateway like Epoch or NetBilling, but I'm not quite there yet. Any recommendations? And please, no one word answers! I would love some input from paysite owners. Thanks! __________________ Skype: uws.ray

05-12-2004, 06:08 PM	#2
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Hey Why have only one? Multiple is the way to go buuud. If you need to talk to someone, I have good contacts over at CCbill and IBill. BTW: Take a look around, some of your old buds are peaking in, LOL Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

05-12-2004, 06:36 PM	#11
rayzor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Br00klyn, NY Posts: 245	Guys, Thanks for all the replies. I'm looking for only one processor initially. I will eventually have backups but don't need them at this time. Just want to get things started. What I'm interested in is what everyone's view of epoch and jettis is? I think those are what I'm leaning toward to. __________________ Skype: uws.ray

05-12-2004, 09:12 PM	#13
rayzor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Br00klyn, NY Posts: 245	bump __________________ Skype: uws.ray

05-13-2004, 07:18 AM	#16
HMS Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 84	I provide adult merchant account, but we are currently only taking on those who process $100K a month or more, have low CB's, and have been in the business for a while (2 years). While you are building the biz to meet these stats, 3rd party is the way to go. I have strong ties with Jettis and would highly recommend them. Call Terry Crane @ Jettis 818-597-6302 Let him know Steve from Humboldt Merchant Services sent you....they will work with you and get you going... Steve Kimberling, AVP Humboldt Merchant Services 877-635-3339 Last edited by HMS; 05-13-2004 at 07:19 AM..

05-12-2004, 06:13 PM	#5
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	since you plan to mostly use the sites with your own traffic,in your position i would get a merchant account.

05-12-2004, 06:18 PM	#6
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Just another thought - If you do decide to stay with third party billing companies, use all the main one's and have some backup processors... Also... I think the general foremost thought is not to let any one processor hold your business - ie .. the recurring biz. If need be have rotating sign up pages to balance the risk :-)

05-12-2004, 06:48 PM	#12
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I agree with the cascading situation for CC processors. Epoch and Jettis are both awesome companies, as is CCBill. And if I might add, I know of an EXCELLENT check processing company! (see sig )

05-12-2004, 09:22 PM	#14
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	don't count out Verotel as your sole processing option rayzor... but also, do not use their freebie "Ticketclub" option, use their "PRO" service or not at all. they have been kicking ass for sales when many other processors have displayed bad numbers in recent months, and haven't ever missed a wire for us. they are also based in europe so they are inherently more shielded from possible amerikan crackdowns in the future.

05-13-2004, 08:19 AM	#17
jungar Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 377	Rayzor, We can offer you a third party solution. Hit me up for further details: jungar-at-myvirtualcard.com Best, Joshua Ungar myVirtualCard www.myvirtualcard.com

05-13-2004, 09:54 AM	#20
rayzor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Br00klyn, NY Posts: 245	Can anyone answer me this question: Why do most individual webmasters (1 or 2 paysites) opt for CCBill or IBill whereas most large programs with multiple sites use Epoch or Jettis? Is the reason that it's easier to set up a revshare program with CCBill/IBill? __________________ Skype: uws.ray

05-13-2004, 12:10 PM	#21
rayzor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Br00klyn, NY Posts: 245	bump. Comments about Epoch and Jettis, other than they are solid, seems to be few and far between on GFY. It is because most guys here have small programs and are using CCBill? Is there reason why more small guys don't use Epoch/Jettis? Comments? __________________ Skype: uws.ray

05-13-2004, 12:34 PM	#22
rayzor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Br00klyn, NY Posts: 245	It must be because it's the first nice, HOT day on the East Coast and no one's on GFY to answer my questions. __________________ Skype: uws.ray

05-13-2004, 12:36 PM	#23
foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	ccbill rocks __________________

05-13-2004, 01:49 PM	#26
Nad Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 503	I would call all 3 of the larger ones, ccbill, epoch and ibill. You do not have to use their affiliate programs. you can use your own with any of them. Large companies are with epoch because of the opt out cross sell... keeps the transaction count high and the chargeback percentage low. CCbill/iBill is the way to go now-a-days __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar! A MAN A PLAN A CANAL PANAMA 202740086