rambler

Politics isn't about how someone looks.

If you follow politics objectively and thoroughly you will see that Harper and his Alliance have some Extreme right wing views.They would be willing to turn back the progress we as a society have made.There are so many things that are wrong with Harpers(Reform party) that I don't know where to begin.

While the Liberals are no saints(just like every other party) they are the obvoiuse Canadian choice.

CDSmith

More than a decade ago the Conservative party held the majority in Canada's Parliament. The Conservative government and its Conservative Prime Minister (Mulroney) so angered the Canadian public with the Goods and Services Tax and NAFTA that after a national election it lacked the required seats to even be legally considered a political party.

They were quite literally obliterated.

This sparked the splitting off of the part to form "the Stockwell Day party"..... After another election and realizing that the right was too divided to be of any effective opponent for the strong and popular liberals they re-united.

However, to this day the PC party is but a minor player in national politics, and are only now, by last night's election results, recouping their losses and getting back on track.

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L0stMind

I agree - politics isnt about looks. Its about policies. I still remember reading the liberal website with the red book or whatever and their plans...

which never really came thru somehow.

And I do agree, liberals are the only real choice - but I think that simply from economic standpoint... I dont think we need a bajillion daycare centers. Why? It doesn't make sense to me.

Harper scares me. He is charismatic, so he is garnering a lot of support. but he views are so off kilter compared to mine...

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Yes, If it goes into a product or service you are collecting GST on, you get it back. If you can run everything including your car through your business, more power to you. Most Canadians just get it up the ass.

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Baaaaaaaaaaa... What are you talking about Eh?

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i didnt even go vote

BarneyRubble

What and put Stephen Harper in power?
Sorry but Martin is the lesser of two evils

If Stephen Harper was voted in, I would move to Brasil.

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EviLSuperstaR

I think the US should for once perhaps look at their own pathetic politics with a chimp in the white house

JFK

I would be curious to see what do YOU actually know about the events and what makes you believe that high ranked people of the government did not know about it..?
If they Knew about it they are in collusion, if NOT which I doubt, they are incompetent, and should be made accountable.

Obviously you formed your opinion on "what sounded right" to you

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FlyingIguana

they're politicians, of course they're incompetent...

Martin

Hey JFK I was kidding about the meds thing :-)


I think it worked out good. A Minority will keep the Government in check. I'm looking forward to see what happens next.

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sherie

Well, I for one was not going to give power to the Conservative pricks, not on your life.

Anyone that wants to lay in bed with Bush doesn't deserve my vote! They have a religious agenda, they hate the gays, they want to privatize health care, anti-abortion, pro war, pro American/Bush and that is bloody terrifying!

Paul Martin and the sponsorship scandal should have been enough for any Canadian to see that he is a crook. He is not a strong leader and that is scary.

And let me just tell you that I voted for neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives, the best we could have hoped for was a minority government.

At least the Canadians are speaking out, no more Majority governments.

And to those of you that didn't vote, SHAME ON YOU!

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skillfull

in Quebec, we kicked out the liberals out of our country .

54/75 deputee are BQ
rest is liberal

great victory for our Country

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Martin

Canada is YOUR Country

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JFK

If You listened To Douceppe last nite , he is of Different opinion!The bloc , was telling everyone before the election, that a vote for them was not for seperation , but for strong Parlamentary representation. Now all of a sudden Guess What ??????? Back to the same old fucking song

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BradM

Ontario supported Liberals most. BC and Alberta clearly voted Conservative.

Honestly guys- at this point we now have a 5 year government standstill. Nothing will get done.

Magnus

Kewl

As long as your "Country" has
- it's own currency
- health care
- Pay's it's financial deficit to Ottawa
- 100% self contained with no Canadian federal assistance

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CoolE

I'm "ignorant" for concluding that Liberals are corrupt?!?! What cave have you been hiding in the last 5 years?

JFK

You have high Hopes.....on all of the above

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Dcat

Yes, I too thought that was an incredibly stupid thing for Harper do. I couldn't believe it when it came out of his mouth!

C-Bass

dats its Canada, let Martin and his crew fuck you up the ass for another fukin century!!

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And proportional representation as well ;)

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lol.. I love when people claim the Liberals are corrupt.. yet they cant express with details what led them to believe that... Go on... tell us!

Martin

It was the LOWEST voter turn out in Canadian history so that tells me that with all the bullshit you heard the Liberal this, Liberals that, we need a change blah fucking blah the people making all this noise didn't even come out and vote!

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Rich

ahahahaha, you're the sheep JFK. Our economy is the best it's been in our lifetime, and you want to elect a fucking religious fundamentalist who's going to plunge us into dept because a few people spent a few hundred million dollars greasing palms?

Canadians made the best decision they could have made yesterday. If you want tax breaks, no health care, huge military spending, our troops in Iraq and elsewhere, the weaponization of space, etc, then MOVE TO FUCKING AMERICA, because we're too smart for that bullshit up here.

MetaMan

HAHA

tell ME about it,

u will never see a fucking liberal seat in calgary or 99% of AB for that matter,

Liberals are fucking idiots, and Canada is full of lazy bastards in the east who dont know shit about politics, everyone here wants a free ride, business gets k

where is directfiesta's dum ass he probly voted block.

FUCK U PPL IN THE EAST ARE IDIOTS

i think i am going to start a seperatist party in the west.

Rich

Actually I'm from the west but Albertans in the biggest fucking morons in the country, worse than newfies. I mean Jesus Christ, keep voting for Klein because the price of oil went up when he got elected, what a hero. Who doesn't like a guy who cries on TV every time he fucks up?

People who want our government to be like America's should fucking move, it's not that hard, and the rest of the country is way to smart to let it happen. Bunch of fucking cattle farmers think they should have a say in federal politics.

JFK

You are just full of it arent you , cant think for your self, so you are spouting others mantra.......Buga.. Buga... the Conservatives will come and eat you kids......Run for the hills ..

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ColBigBalls

lesser of two evils this time..
Have the librals done a horrid job the last 10 years or so... i dont think so...

Will the PC do any better.. who knows. But the backward thinking socialy and the way the mirror the Bush goverment scared me a little two much.

Im willing to put up with a change.. if someone fuckes up vote em out in 4 years... but it was the chance of the loss of social libertys that scard me out of a PC vote.

As far as stupid people here in the "east"... last time i was out west it always seemed that people cut out of work early.. alot

anyway As of now.. a libral govertnment is fine by me. Just have to deal with another referendum because the Block lied there way into more seats. Pretty sure the last time i was at the boarder there were armed guards holding you back from leaving

JFK

"because the Block lied there way into more seats" You noticed that as well have you ?

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Rich

Yes, because I'm smart enough to see through Harper, because I've watched what he's said for years, I'm "spouting others mantra", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean. I'd bet money you haven't even read the conservative policy guide, as bullshit as it is.

Build a firewall around this Harper, and unpack your bags because you're staying in hick town.

The liberals are currupt! Talk about spouting off other peoples bullshit. They've run our country successful for a decade, you can't point out the last time a conservative government has done that because it's never happened in history. If you want crushing dept so badly, get a house you can't afford or some shit, don't elect a moron who's going to stick it on the backs of our nation's youth.

You have to be pretty fucking stupid to vote just for the sake of change, and EXTREMELY stupid to vote for an evangelical christian who would make it harder for us to run our businesses. Well, I guess taking pictures of real pornographers wouldn't be illegal, but the rest of us might have problems.

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ColBigBalls

yup if i lived in qubec id be pissed

NoCarrier

There you go.. Enjoy.

http://www.separationalberta.com/

Why Separation?

A better question would be ?Why stay??

For almost 100 years, Alberta and the West have been trying to become real members of Canada and true, equal partners in Confederation. These efforts have proved fruitless. It is time to move forward and protect Alberta?s future. It is time to stop the financial and emotional drain caused by an incompetent, unresponsive political and bureaucratic nightmare called ?Ottawa?.


Economic Cost of Federation for Alberta, 1961 ? Present

Alberta has, on a per capita basis, been Ottawa?s largest single contributor. For example, between 1961 and 1992, Alberta paid $139 billion more to Ottawa than it received back from Ottawa. That is what it cost Albertans to be Canadian. *

And where did the money go? During that time frame, the province of Quebec, despite its large population and vibrant economy, was a net recipient of over $ 168 billion from Ottawa. Alberta was paying Quebec to be Canadian. *

* Source: Dr. Robert Mansell and Ronald Schlenker, ?The Provincial Distribution of Federal Fiscal Balances,? Canadian Business Economics 3:2 (Winter, 1995), 3-21

There are two net contributors to Ottawa; - Alberta and Ontario. The difference is that Ontario gets a return on investment. They have a diversified economy with end use manufacturing. They also have a strong voice in federal policy. The Kyoto Accord would have adversely affected Alberta and Ontario, however, Ottawa exempted the Ontario Auto Industry from the Accord.

Alberta?s Cost 1997 ? 2003**
In Billions Canadian Dollars $ 54.933
1997: $ 5.668
1999: $ 6.130
2001: $ 8.568
1998: $ 6.279
2000: $ 7.190
2002: $ 9.998
2003: $ 11.100

** Source: Alberta Finance March 2004


Alberta has fought Ottawa on numerous issues. Here are some issues that Alberta fought and lost the battle because of weak leaders:

? National Energy Program
? Kyoto
? Interference in Agriculture Policy
? Family Rights
? Personal Property Rights
? Federal Health Care Payments

National issues that waste tax-payers dollars and frustrate Albertans:

? Jane Stewart?s HRDC Boondoggle
? Helicopters cancelled, then reordered
? Submarine Debacle
? Firearms Registry Fiasco
? Broken Election Promises (no GST)
? No Serious National Debt Reduction
? Budgets Balanced at worker's expense
? Lack of Parliamentary Reform
? Canada Pension Plan is broke
? Out of control National Debt
? Ottawa?s lack of respect for Alberta
? Sponsorship Scandal

Albertans are tired of losing these battles. It is time to take what is rightfully ours. An independent Alberta would have a great future with a strong, viable, diversified economy.

What is the Long-term plan?
To give Alberta to Albertans
To facilitate the peaceful Separation of Alberta from Canadian Confederation
To become the most viable nation in the western hemisphere.

Petitions and rallies do not force change
It is time to take decisive action

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JFK

Just for your Info, I probably had porn sites before you, so dont get carried away. You just have to bring up the religion angle at every turn dont you ?
and the only people "who's going to stick it on the backs of our nation's youth" are the Liberals .......A change was needed, too bad some people are too fucking stupid not to see it

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rambler

Have you even listened to what the high-profile members of the Conservative party say?

A change just for changes sake is ridiculous.

This countries situation has never been better in recent history.

All levels of government anywhere in the world have some degree of scandal.

ColBigBalls

Id have to agree.
seems everyones forgoten nafta and Meech Lake...
PC wasent any better.. they were worse.

So a change for a change makes sence why..?

Our dollar is up.. the national debt is down.. We have good health care... Things have been alot worse under other governments

skillfull

Duceppe didnt lied
he say if your vote fot he Bloc, you are not voting for separation :P
but the fact is that the Bloc is a eparatism party, not a federalist

but you vote on separation of Quebec on a referendum, not at a Federal election

eveyone not understanding this is a dumpass and deserve the governement he have

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L0stMind

JFK - post something intelligent please.

I want to understand your reasons for voting conservative and I want to know hwy you are ridiculing me and other canadians who voted liberal.

Dont just fire back something stupid like:

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You are just full of it arent you , cant think for your self, so you are spouting others mantra.......Buga.. Buga... the Conservatives will come and eat you kids......Run for the hills ..
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Cuz it makes no sense to me.

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Rich

I 2nd that

L0stMind

my reason for voting liberal is easy - martin can balance the budget.

while I dont feel that the liberals are a good choice, they are better then anything else avail right now

canadian politics suck

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JFK

The Vote is done........ cant be bothered, not that you would listen anyways, or have the intelligence to comprehend !

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L0stMind

I see... embarassed that you started the thread now JFK?

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Head

Harper would have been worse!!
But i'm not crazy about Martin.
Don't forget how Mulroney Fucked Canada and got away with it. Harper is cut from the same cloth.

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JFK

Nope, No regrets.... but like I said ......The Vote is done, Election Over. Nothing I can Do..... So why flog a dead horse ? Could have been worse, they could have come in with a majority

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