Groove

I require virtual hosting of multiple domains to be used for SEO purposes. I need each domain to have its own IP from a separate Class C. Who can provide this? How many Class Cs do you have? What do you charge per IP?

Phil21

We can do this on up to 3 /24's. Also the IP's within each individual /24 can be differeny (i.e. 66.254.97.56, 66.254.103.50, 66.254.98.94, 66.254.97.250).

First 8 IP's are free, included in any virtual plan on our website upon request. Each additional IP over 8 is charged @ $.50/mo each.

Hit me up if you have any questions - phil at reflected dot net or 25285313


Thanks much,

-Phil

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kush

Groove if you're looking to do some SEO networking I've got many PR4+ domains on different IP's and class C's.

Groove

Phil21 - That sounds great and your virtual hosting is competatively priced and a quick GFY search shows you have plenty of happy customers. You can expect to receive an order in the not too distant future.

kush - I'd be interested in doing some link trades a bit further down the track. Please add me to your ICQ list 11041152 and I'll hit you up when I'm ready.

Plus I'd still like to hear from other hosts, as I'll be registering a large number of domain over the coming months and want to spread them over several hosts.

Trax

will hit you up too
lets see what you got

btw
I am always buying the same deals
unique ips, different c classes on virtual hosts

Groove

Hey Trax. Good chatting to you

Any suggestions on other hosts?

Groove

Jace

rofl, i was just talking to another host about this last week....funny how some people have gotten into a groove with all these ip blocks and don't realize what is really needed for SEO

i have 1 server with 10 ip's, and I have no trouble doing SEO very well....LOL

Trax

johnbosh

Is that doing the job? What if i put lets say 5 domains under 1 ip and have 5 ip's will google see me as 25 different webmasters?

Jace

no, but if you have 10 ip's and rotate everything intelligently, it works very nicely....just have to keep track of it all....i have not had any trouble with ip problems and google at all

Jace

and to further that, you are aware that google does not mind seeing you as the same webmaster getting things listed right? do you really google thinks a webmaster only submits 1 page, or 10 pages? no, they are aware that we all submit 10-15 pages a day....they are a little smarter than you think...

Groove

OK, so you haven't been penalised yet, but that doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. I wouldn't be too complacent if I were you! The SEs really DON'T like you manipulating their SERPs by interlinking an in-house network of sites. Therefore anything you can do to assist in flying under their radar is well worth the effort. And asking a host for unique IPs from separate Class C blocks does not take much effort, nor does it entail any significant expense.

LOL

Groove

Dude, it's got nothing to do with how many sites you submit (though submitting is not such a good idea in the first place as the SEs prefer to find the sites themselves). You can submit as many sites as you like, that is not the issue.

grumpy

You forget that the ip-ranges have to be registered under a diffrent name to.

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johnbosh

yeah I dind't ment submitting but listings, can i then have 25 sites listed without being penelized

Jace

guess I have been lucky...been doing the same thing for almost 2 years on the same 10 ip's, and no one seems to have a problem....

Groove

Many people have had no problems (to date) using a limited number of IPs or even a single IP. Whereas others appear to have been penalised for interlinking sites that clearly belong to the same company/webmaster. That's why if you want to get creative with your interlinking your own sites, it's a sensible precaution to use IPs from separate Class C blocks.

Groove

You can have an infinite number of sites indexed by the SEs without any penalty. The potential for problems eventuates when you start interlinking those sites.

Groove

My objective is to hide the fact that the domains all have the same owner. I am not concerned about the SEs being able to identify that they're on the same host, there are other ways of dealing with that.

Pornwolf

Hmm, this is unusual. Normally any hosting thread is chock full of:

"Hi, hit me up on ICQ... we have what you need!"

Not this one. You can count the replies on one hand.

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Groove

LOL, you can count the offers from hosts on one finger

I suspect the problem is that many hosts buy IPs in smallish blocks and allocate them sequentially.

But I'm still surprised that I've not received more hosting offers. Surely Reflected.net and Blue Gravity aren't the only hosts who are prepared to offer virtual hosting with IPs from separate Class C blocks?

PbG

Uncensored-Hosting can offer at least 4 different class c's

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Groove

Thanks PbG

Anyone else?

Groove

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alexg

go with webair..

they'll set you up

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johnbosh

do they have more class c adresses?

StarkReality

Some paranoia is certainly healthy, but at the moment this penalty for interlinking sites belonging to the same owner is pure speculation. I've seen panalties for interlinking, but the conclusion that there is any relation with IPs is just a guess, I'd rather assume that google detected an "unnatural" linking structure in these cases or too many pages under one single domain. Most of my small sites with less than 5k subpages stayed stable in the SERPs while two huge one with 50k+ pages were heavily penalised and partly removed (but not kicked, hehe).

So, if you want to be 100% in the future, assuming the IP theory is right, you'd have to make sure each domain has different whois data and different nameservers, too.

I highly doubt that google will ever care what IP, host, nameservers, whois data you have, some sort of filter checking for this data would only hurt the average webmaster while clever SEOs would always find a way to avoid being detected. In addition to this, it requires alot of performance that could be better used for an advanced detection of similar built/script generated pages and affiliate link codes.

Groove

What you said is pretty much inline with my understanding of the situation. I am simply structuring my SEO network with the objective of taking all reasonable steps to minimise the risks of penalties, both now and in the future.

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That, and a few other things


If you really want to do it right you have no other choice than to run 100 virtual accounts at 100 different hosts. Actual hosts, not 100 resellers all sitting on ev1servers IP range

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To Groove

You make no sense

Things like this you HAVE TO ask the hosts privately. One by one

You may think you're smart by saving time and asking this on the world's biggest wm board

But at second thought it is not smart. Not at all

Hint Hint Hint

{fusion}

nothing stops other webmasters from reporting you. if you build pages for the engines your probably going to get banned soon enough.

http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Groove

Really? Following that logic, none of the SEO gurus on this board (or others) should ever reveal their interest in SEO since they are virtually ALL using networks of their own domains to manipulating the SERPs in some fashion. Me posting this request on GFY would only be a problem if it somehow enabled Google or Yahoo, or perhaps malicious webmasters, to identify which domains I am using, which it doesn't. So why on Earth am I "not smart" to post this request here?

Of course some hosts might not want to draw attention to their IP allocation strategies. But they are able to hit me up privately on the ICQ# visible under my nick (11041152).

Groove

You are apparently assuming that my sites do not have genuine content and/or do not have natural linking patterns and/or are targetting terms irrelevant to the content.

Those assumptions are not correct.

Groove

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Argoz

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