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A Muslim group in Denmark announced a few days ago that a $30,000 bounty would be paid for the murder of several prominent Danish Jews, a threat that garnered wide international notice. Less well known is that this is just one problem associated with Denmark's approximately 200,000 Muslim immigrants. The key issue is that many of them show little desire to fit into their adopted country.

For years, Danes lauded multiculturalism and insisted they had no problem with the Muslim customs - until one day they found that they did. Some major issues:

* Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.

* Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.

* Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.

* Importing unacceptable customs: Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem.

Another is threats to kill Muslims who convert out of Islam. One Kurdish convert to Christianity, who went public to explain why she had changed religion, felt the need to hide her face and conceal her identity, fearing for her life.

* Fomenting anti-Semitism: Muslim violence threatens Denmark's approximately 6,000 Jews, who increasingly depend on police protection. Jewish parents were told by one school principal that she could not guarantee their children's safety and were advised to attend another institution. Anti-Israel marches have turned into anti-Jewish riots. One organization, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, openly calls on Muslims to "kill all Jews . . . wherever you find them."

* Seeking Islamic law: Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.

Other Europeans (such as the late Pim Fortuyn in Holland) have also grown alarmed about these issues, but Danes were the first to make them the basis for a change in government.

In a momentous election last November, a center-right coalition came to power that - for the first time since 1929 - excluded the socialists. The right broke its 72-year losing streak and won a solid parliamentary majority by promising to handle immigration issues, the electorate's first concern, differently from the socialists.

The next nine months did witness some fine-tuning of procedures: Immigrants now must live seven years in Denmark (rather than three) to become permanent residents. Most non-refugees no longer can collect welfare checks immediately on entering the country. No one can bring into the country an intended spouse under the age of 24. And the state prosecutor is considering a ban on Hizb-ut-Tahrir for its death threats against Jews.

These minor adjustments prompted howls internationally - with European and U.N. reports condemning Denmark for racism and "Islamophobia," the Washington Post reporting that Muslim immigrants "face habitual discrimination," and a London Guardian headline announcing that "Copenhagen Flirts with Fascism."

In reality, however, the new government barely addressed the existing problems. Nor did it prevent new ones, such as the death threats against Jews or a recent Islamic edict calling on Muslims to drive Danes out of the Norrebro quarter of Copenhagen.

The authorities remain indulgent. The military mulls permitting Muslim soldiers in Denmark's volunteer International Brigade to opt out of actions they don't agree with - a privilege granted to members of no other faith. Mohammed Omar Bakri, the self-proclaimed London-based "eyes, ears and mouth" of Osama bin Laden, won permission to set up a branch of his organization, Al-Muhajiroun.

Contrary to media reports, the real news from Denmark is not flirting with fascism but getting mired in inertia. A government elected specifically to deal with a set of problems has made minimal headway. Its reluctance has potentially profound implications for the West as a whole.

FOLLOW-UP LETTERS

Multiculturalism and Denmark

National Post
September 6, 2002
Letters
From: Elisabeth Arnold and Elsebeth Gerner Nielsen, Members of the Danish Parliament.

As Danish politicians, we are offended by the way integration problems in Denmark were portrayed by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard and we wish to set the record straight (Muslim Extremism: Denmark's had Enough, Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, Aug. 27).

The authors claim that 40% of Danish welfare expenses are consumed by Muslim immigrants. Denmark has a much broader spectrum of welfare costs than countries in North America. We include not only unemployment benefits and social security but also substantial allocations to housing, transport, homecare, early retirement, protected workplaces, daycare and other smaller schemes. Muslim immigrants do not receive 40% of those allocations even though they represent a substantial part of the clients. The main reason being: It is hard to compete on a job market not interested in employing immigrants.

The further assumption that more than half of all rapists in Denmark are Muslims is without any basis in fact, as criminal registers do not record religion.

Mr. Pipes and Mr. Hedegaard mention that only 5% of young Muslims in Denmark wish to marry a Dane. A sign of self-inflicted isolation, indeed. We welcome the brave 5% who accept intermarriage?they are true pioneers for peaceful co-existence and human contact across cultures. However, the new Danish government has made it extremely difficult for Danish citizens to bring a foreign spouse to Denmark. The ruling opinion obviously is that intermarriage should be avoided.

Mr. Pipes and Mr. Hedegaard also claim that Muslim violence threatens the 6,000 Jewish citizens in Denmark. Rumours?also hitting the front pages of major newspapers?tell that identified Jewish Danes figure on a death list. Danish authorities consider death threats very serious, but police investigators have so far found no evidence of real threats.

During the coming decade, Denmark will need 100,000 new pairs of hands in the workforce. The Danes produce fewer children and live longer. Integration must work better and immigrants admitted to Denmark should be welcomed. On this point, we take inspiration from Canadian society, which is open to other cultures and religions.

Re: Multiculturalism and Denmark

National Post
September 10, 2002
Letters
From: Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, Philadelphia, PA.

Elisabeth Arnold and Elsebeth Gerner Nielsen, two members of the Danish parliament, are "offended" by our article Muslim Extremism: Denmark's had Enough, (Aug. 27).

Most Canadian readers may not realize that both writers are politicians belonging to the Socialist-Radical Liberal government that was defeated last November --- indeed, Ms. Nielsen was its minister of culture. They have an axe to grind.

Both protest our conclusion that Muslims "make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists," saying that because Danish statistics do not correlate religion with crime, this assertion "is without any basis in fact." Statistics Denmark does, however, produce numbers on immigrants from Third World countries and their descendants, which it reports makes up 5% of the population; and it is known that Muslims make up four-fifths of this element. The latest police figures show that 76.5% of convicted rapists in Copenhagen belong to that 5% of the population, and from that we drew our understated conclusion.

Our critics then sow confusion about the word "welfare." We wrote in English for an English-speaking readership, and used "welfare" in the conventional English sense of meaning public assistance in the form of cash or food stamps?not in the Danish sense of including "housing, transport, homecare, early retirement, protected workplaces, daycare and other smaller schemes" as mentioned by the two politicians.

As for the numbers involved, former Socialist spokeswoman for immigration and integration Ritt Bjerregaard has leaked figures from an unpublished study showing that in 1999, the 5% of the Danish population made up of Third World immigrants received 35% of all welfare payments (Danish: kontanthjaelp). This percentage is higher today and therefore we wrote that that 5% consumes "upwards of 40% of the welfare spending."

Both MPs may not believe Danish Jews are threatened but the Jewish population itself believes it is under siege. This obliviousness of Ms. Arnold and Ms. Nielsen is part of a larger problem, whereby they have long been among the most vocal cheerleaders of massive immigration and completely blind to the problems this creates. Unfortunately for them, Danish voters do see the problems and threw their coalition out of office last November.

Finally, we are at a loss to explain the notion our critics forward that the current government believes "intermarriage should be avoided" between Danes and foreigners, an outrageous accusation which no one of any political stature has advocated. To the contrary, the policy of the government is integration, not segregation.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/450

$hurik

wow long reading, but very interesting. The friend of mine who lives in Germany told me same thing 10 years ago, but i guess now it?s even worse

rambler

while I don't know if these are the actual facts; but I do agree that all immigrants should be forced to assimilate(yet still keep the non-violent aspects of thier culture).

Also you shouldn't use the National Post as a source of unbiased,reliable info. It is well known that the Asper(Major Israel/Jew biast supporter) owns this rag among many others in Canada ; he has even fired experienced editors that don't follow his views.

Love Brokers

A friend of mine spoke with a French lady visiting here in the U.S. She told us similar problems in Paris, France. Many Parisians are moving to the country because of the deterioration of the influx of so many Muslims. They do not wish to assimilate and garner as much "welfare" as possible.

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BabeHunter

in 15 years there will be more muslim ppl in europe then europeans

most of the scandinavian countries have negative birth rate , meaning more ppl are dying of old age then being born.
while the muslims have 5-10 kids per family , it's just a matter of time

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jollyperv

Fucking dune coon pricks.

fr8

Thats fucking nuts. Alot of fucking info in that post.

next time add a clipnotes post also. lol

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Repetitive Monkey

And its illegal to question it, in many European countries. It's a fucking genocide, but those who are pushing this forward are becoming over-confident. They are doing it too fast now. Every day, the multicult religion is being rammed down our thoats even harder than the day before. So-called hate laws and government units to lock up and silence "racists" (read: people who don't agree with the multicult religion) are popping up everywhere on the European continent.

And that's the ingredients of violent revolutions.

QuaWee

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Repetitive Monkey

He is using harsh language, but why did you target him instead of the genocidal practice this thread is about? Do you care more for stopping angry people from talking than for stopping a practice that is sending a people into suffering and possible elimination?

Goatse

What we need is a white revolution or else we're going to be wiped out from the face of the Earth. The race that rose above savagery to create civilization will no longer be. This is not about hating others, it is about the need to preserve our heritage, our genes, our kind.

hershie

Amazing that in one generation removed from Hitler's attempt to annihliate all Jews by baking them in ovens and gasing them by the train car full, that governments allow those same views to spread under their noses and protection. If the Muslims said "kill all christians" they wouldn't just appease them like they are doing now.

NickB.

Holland has about 1 : 15 ratio on Moslims : Dutch

Some of them are fucking it up for the rest, I like the multi cultural society a lot, as some of those moslims happen to be very good friends, I learn a lot about their way of thinking!

It's not my way of thinking, but it takes time for them to integrate!

I hate people blaming a minority group some something just a couple of them did, BUT next to that they are in Holland and they have to follow our rules! ( if that's impossible for them even though you can do a lot in Holland, that's their mistake and be responsible for what they did )

I guess the problem is Way bigger in Denmark man! Sorry to hear that!

Most of the countries in Europe allow these people in and that's a good thing.... They gotta be thankfull and integrate

Repetitive Monkey

But don't you see, if we keep it up, there will be no differences to appreciate. There will be no diversity if we all melt together. I mention it in this thread, please read it; http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=336428&s=

I believe you are a good person and have some good values, but I am afraid that what you said is a bit short-sighted.

Thanks.

NickB.

These views should be takes seriously and stopped! The easy or the hard way!

Everyone needs to be treated the same way!

NickB.

We don't need to keep it up for sure! We gotta stop it one day, and I 'm pretty sure we are getting there!

There's gotta be a point that someone steps up like Pim Fortuyn, short-sighted people called him a racist, but he wasn't. ( unfortunately he got killed, not by a moslim, but some fucked up dutch guy )

It's a very sensative political subject, please explain what's short sighted about my post man, thanks

johndoebob

Well the problem with most muslims is that they think they are better than everybody else and have no respect for non muslims.

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hershie

Lots of Canadians died in Holland trying to free Europe from Hitler (most of all the Canadian casualties were in Holland) and I personally know a few Dutch people who's fathers helped protect or smuggle Jews out of harm in Holland from the Nazi's.

I know your country knows better from your history than to let pure hate towards a people...persist and let religious and community leaders preach in mosques for certian people to be wiped off the face of the earth because of their skin colour or religion. How there isn't more of a back-lash against these mainstream Muslim views that all Jews should be killed is very disturbing.

Repetitive Monkey

I referred to what I saw as multicultural praise. The whole theory of multiculturalism is short-sighted, as we don't get real diversity, we get ultra-diversity that lasts only for so long before it all is merged into one people and one culture.

So, sorry if I mistook you for being a "standard" multiculturalist. lol

tina2

ok, whats the solution then? take all muslims out of europe? deportation?? i agree some muslims come to europe and do not accept our laws... then we must do something against these ppl but not against the whole community... dont you think??

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johndoebob

No but those who are doing hate propaganda against non muslims can be deported easier soon.

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Tania

yeap .....to Sweden tey are also alot of fucking Muslims

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AGF

I will fucking kill them all.
then denmark could also save 5.5 billion $ every year.
And we pay them to do nothing here in denmark, yes that is right NOTHING
The get the check every month, we pay for there hours car yeah you name it, when the come to denmark, we will get the a appartment, and all other stupid things, why don't the danish people get the fucking same, it can make me angry some time

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TurboTrucker

Muslims are usually very religious which means they are usually very dull (like most overly religious folks). They are weeds.

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Lykos

Hehehhe
When muslims(albanians) made problems in Serbia(kosovo) and when we wanted to kick them out of there NATO&USA boomb us...and said we are terorists...very funny but true...and now...just look what will muslims do with rest of Europe..and world....and then again say we were bad..
Ironic,heh?just be carefull...u can't do nice with them that's for sure..

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zzgundamnzz

I wouldn't call digging a huge hole in the ground and mass executing "kicking out of the country"...

But then again theres only one thing certain in this world its "Survival of the Fittest"

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Mutt

it is a cancer. i'm no Hitler type who wants to cleanse the world of them, but i sure as hell am for sending them all back to the shitty sandbox they emanate from. let them kill each other in ignorance and poverty.

the world needs to wake up. there was a very popular bestselling book years ago, a simple guide to life book called 'Everything I Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarden' - you need to treat these anti-social shit disturbing under achievers the same way a good school system would - either medicate the shit out of them so they are docile lumps of flesh or you take them out of the classroom permanently so the majority can get on with the business of learning and living - get rid of them, nothing wrong with deporting non-citizens, nothing wrong with closing borders to those who've proved to be a royal pain in the ass.

KraZ

I don't know Mutt, we have a Muslim minority here as well - about 15% of the population - that is PERFECTLY normal and integrated into society. It's true though, it took more than a few decades but I don't see them as a threat.

It's better for them to be here with us and be born to the same values as us than spend their "formative" years in a camp somewhere learning how to plant bombs and praising Allah for letting them die a martyr death.

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LOL isn't that what the thought in Denmakr?

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gxer

Yes - deportation.
Cause it's better than they do in Iraq for example with foreign people.
I wanna see what would you say when YOUR
kids will not be able to cross their own street
due to "poor muslims".
And what i know in fact - muslims was accepted
in Denmark and Sweden , but polish and hungarians not , why ? Cause muslims are better than christians from Poland ?
They were deported very fast and easy, what's the problem with muslims then ?

It's a common case - muslims accepted in Denmark/Sweden and christians from Eastern Europe - deported.

gxer

Kosovo is a biggest mistake US gov. did

They did it without any idea about who the alabnians are.
They are biggest criminal alliance in europe.
I just suggest them to take a tour in private auto
from let say Varna in Bulgaria to Macedonia.
After that - they will know for sure who the albanians exactly.

Fred Quimby

The average muslim family has 4.9 kids

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Grammar Police

This can't be true. We all know Muslims are peaceful people.

howard

Mutt --without saying it quite the same way you do I agree. Kind of like when Andrew Dice Clay used to say " if you can't speak the language get the fuck out of my country"..

I don't think people should be able to come live here when there born in other countries anymore. And if they do they deserve no benifits or monies to live. Its just too crowded as it is and there are not enough jobs for people born and raised here in the US. It seem the situation is the same in Euope.

Why can't they stay where they were born and with the huge numbers as far as population rebuild and build there own country. If there are so many muslims who want to move to the US and Europe why not just stay in your own country and just start living like we do rather than just moving here. IF you took all the people that have moved out of the Muslim countries and they stayed and put there work into bettering there own Country wouldn't that be better for all?

I'm sorry but it is just the way it is. And I guess I am part of it. I'd guess that 8-9 out of 10 people born and raised here in the US when they walk into there area convience store or gas station and see those Mulsim guys working there the first thought is --terrorist--or they know terrorist--they send money to terrorist and they hate us..

People from every other country are great. They seem so happy to be here. Never any problems. But Muslims and especially since 9/11 should not be able to move to the US anymore. It's funny too. Muslims from India are all doctors. The muslims from everywhere else only have worked in 3 places. They are engineers, own convenience stores and or gas stations. And what always bugs me is where they all get the money to get these things.. If that money is from are own govenment that just flat out needs to be stopped.

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allandk

i hate them and the socialdemocrats that have the sole responsebility for things getting to this.. fuck the muslems and their middle-age religion and fuck the european socialdemocrats and their failed attempt to create a new proletariate to keep themselves in power..

Jamie

Kind of sounds like the Hispanic situation in the U.S. Every 18 year old hispanic girl is walking a kid and is pregnant.

howard

I'm sorry but it is just the way it is. And I guess I am part of it. I'd guess that 8-9 out of 10 people born and raised here in the US when they walk into there area convience store or gas station and see those Mulsim guys working there the first thought is --terrorist--or they know terrorist--they send money to terrorist and they hate us..

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hershie

Imagine that.

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Do YOU live by the 14 words?

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Roger

No, there's nothing paranoïd about that thread
I've been hearing this story for 20 years now

allandk

this is everyday in danmark.. here's a story from today:

Missing 13 year old girl is sending SMS to her parents that she is being held captive.. She is known to have "boyfriends" in the ethnic enviroments (danish newspaper lingo for muslems)

http://ekstrabladet.dk/visartikel.iasp?pageID=258111

Gunni

I thik muslims are just misunderstood...

xxxdesign-net

Seems a bit strange.. Why would that happen in Danemark and not in Canada..?

xclusive

It is a very calculated plan by them to take over... It's their religion to make sure everybody is muslim or destroy them...

hershie

They preach in mosques that I, because I am a jew, should be killed if the members of their mosque meet me and have the opportunity to. If it was just the most fanatical fringe that preach that shit to their members I would try to understand it all more, but I am afraid its not time to try to be more understanding. It's time to confront these beliefs that go against everything a multicultural society like we in the West...have fought lomg and hard to achieve. How can people in Denmark and elsewhere keep on appeasing them and letting this go unchecked.

Gunni

Like I said, you are probably just misunderstanding them... they speak funny...

macho

Fuck, I am going to visit Danmark next week.

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Gunni

Man, you're really fucked then!

xNetworx

All Muslims should be given a test to determine how fanatical they are. All the "bad" muslims should be forced to live in Iran and Iraq together.