Shooting it yourself - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 08-06-2004, 09:26 PM

I wrote this for another place, but with all the wannabe shooters around it might be helpful here.

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How many times have I heard ?It would be cheaper if I shot for myself? Well I sat and looked at the cost and I kept the bottom line as low as I could.

Here's a shopping list of essentials.

Camera, lights, light metre, locations, props, models.

Stills Camera. $1300
Video Camera $1,000
Studio Flash lights. $500
Flash metre. $300
Location. $80
Props, $20 a week.
Photography books. $100
Models $300 to $500 a day for solo girl.

Why so much?

Well you need a good digital camera that is going to take the picture when you shoot and keep taking them. Some have a delay and some even stop to download from the camera buffer to the chip. The model will think you a complete fool if you turn up with a camera that looks like you are an amateur. The Nikon D70 looks excellent value.

I also included $1,000 for a video camera assuming you want videos as well. There are a few at that range that will do the job.

Flash lights. You need to control the light and camera flash is not easily controlled, plus as the batteries run down you are waiting for the thrystor to recharge. Studio lights will fire and recharge in 4-6 seconds. Umbrellas are good; a soft box is better but more expensive. Don't try bouncing off the wall because you will pick up the colour of the wall. $500 could buy you a second hand pair of lights, I?m trying to keep costs down.

Flash metre. You have to control light to take a picture, even an amateur one. A flash metre will tell you what the light is doing, so you can set the lights and camera accordingly. Again it also makes you look professional in front of the model, essential for a newbie.

Location. Well you could use your home, it could save you a lot of money, but there are drawbacks. Every location will start to look the same, very boring for the member. You are allowing strangers, who are in need of money, into your house. Might bring a boyfriend are you going to be able to watch them ALL the time. Drug addicts will come to see if you have anything to steal. They know where you live and when Dad sees the pictures he knows who to blame and where to come. I think a hotel is best.

Props. The girls who turn up to be models are broke, they need money. So don't expect them to come up with large suitcase different clothing. You need to buy some clothes, as a back up, don't ruin a shoot because all she turned up with is the clothes she's wearing. She definitely will not turn up with vibrators bedspreads, throws etc. You need to provide them.

Photography books. You are going to need to know a little about photography and cameras so I put in $100, sound investment.

Models. Well this is varied depending on the quality of girls you want and where you are. In the mid west it would be cheaper than LA, but how many mid west girls are there who want to model nude and erotic? So I put in a figure, lets say $400 a day and it will always be cheaper to book them for the day and shoot everything then move on.

Now you have all that, practice until you have shot exactly what you want, I recommend starting out with a giant teddy, less attitude and more brains than real models. All you want to do now is get use to the equipment. Wait a little while before you get the naked women in. LOL

Then get a friend around and tell him/her you want to practice photography and see what you are like with a real person.

So I know what you are about to say, ?I only want to shoot Amateur?. Well here is the truth from a guy who can shoot amateur for a day and earn a lot of money from it. The ?Amateur? the surfer wants to see, most of the time, is the model not the photographer. The appeal is a girl doing it for the fun, kicks and sex. The fantasy is she's the girl next door being rude and fucked the shooter afterwards because she's ?EASY?.

So you need to create a certain impression with the models. The impression you're a professional guy shooting amateur style, not a pervert who gets off seeing at them naked. To look professional you need professional equipment. You have to be able to use the equipment well. It's easier to control equipment than a model, trying to work out how to use a camera, lights, direct a model and make her look ?HOT? all at the same time is a nightmare, get rid of one problem so you can concentrate on the other one.

What the model thinks of you is the look you will get on her face and we read those looks. Ever met someone for the first time and know they like you or dislike you straight away? You read them without even knowing it. Good porn is a girl looking like she wants to fuck, not just a picture of a girl with her legs open. This is the difference between a photographer and a pornographer. What the surfer does not want is to jerk off to a picture of a girl who thinks he's a total loser.

So I would say shooting 8 sets or videos a day would be maximum, getting one model a week would be a stretch but can happen. So shooting 50 models a year, 8 sets a time, you have 400 sets. Nice target but in truth totally unrealistic for a newbie to find that many girls and shoot that much ?Average? content. So let?s say you do 300 in your first year. We struggle to shoot 300 in a year.

So that works out to equipment and books $3100, props $1,000, locations I've calculated you could shoot half outdoors $4,000 and $20,000 for the models. Total cost $28,000 for 300 sets. With a few bits and pieces you are at $93 a set. Good price for an exclusive set. And look at all the naked women you got to see!

I've assumed you have Photoshop because you will need it to correct and crop the images. Plus a computer and editing program for the videos. A days shoot should take you a day to correct and resize the images, might be more if you do not get your camera and the lighting right. Plus a day to edit the videos. So what are two days a week worth? If you can convert 5 a day by submitting TGPs reckon $300 a week, another $50 a set round price $143. Still cheaper, than anyone good will shoot for.

Of course I have not included any of the ?Hidden extras? like agents fees, advertising to find models, interviewing them, a lap top for when you travel to a location and have assumed every set is saleable. Plus if you are in the US employing a lawyer, getting a license to shoot in a location and insurance. I know you were not thinking of these things, but if you have a problem you will wish you did get them. What if a girl hurts herself on a shoot and contacts a lawyer, you could be facing massive costs.

Here is the crux of the whole thing, how long before you develop a style and formula that will convert surfers into members? I'm assuming you will hit the ground running and be producing acceptable product from the start.

But you will have unique content, well unique along the other 10,000 sites doing exactly the same to the same standard. And you won't have to compete with those idiots that buy sets in at $35 and can put up 20 new sets a week for $700 and spend loads of time driving traffic and promoting their cash programs. You will be dealing with naked models instead.

And in your second year you can save the cost of buying equipment, but then in the third year you can buy it all again.

Paul Markham · 08-06-2004, 09:28 PM

I was probably very generous when it comes to finding girls suitable to be shot when writing this.

Reckon to shoot 1 in 10 girls you see unless you are dealing with a good agent. They will be not attractive enough, wrong shape, wrong attitude or just not turn up.

Unless you want a site of 50 average girls shot badly and looking into the camera witha bored look.

Try costing that into the budget, the time wasted seeing useless girls when you could be earning money.

Paul Markham · 08-06-2004, 09:56 PM

Easton · 08-06-2004, 09:58 PM

it's nice to see i pay on the high end of solo girl... i give $500 per day for about 6 hours

stevecore · 08-06-2004, 10:02 PM

very good advice... i know someone who'd be interested in reading this. thanks charly

Paul Markham · 08-06-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Easton
it's nice to see i pay on the high end of solo girl... i give $500 per day for about 6 hours

I was trying to quote the lower end average for new shooters dealing with agents it could be a lot higher.

tony286 · 08-06-2004, 10:14 PM

I dont think one has to make that investment right off the bat if starting out. Also it depends on what you are shooting if its fucking and sucking and the people are really into it, as long as its in focus and no big shadows . Surfers are happy.

I started with a cheap HP digital camera and $10 paint lights. The first year we were free and then for the first year we went pay ,we both worked fulltime and didnt touch the money it went into upgrading skills and equiptment.

I think self produced content is more unique and sells better then bought stuff because if you dont have alot of money its the same stuff everyone has. If your a big fish and can afford to have Dean Capture shoot exclusive for you thats another story.

I also think if someone is starting a pretty girl site and they dont have alot of money unless they have a super hot wife or girlfriend who is their primary model and thinks its very hard to do in this day and age.

quiet · 08-06-2004, 10:20 PM

those costs are a joke if you're running a serious paysite operation. the biggest issues are getting the right girls, having the scenes done the way you want, AND in a timely manner. Oh, and high quality. try doing that by yourself... (i know nothing of stills, and am not commenting on that area) good luck.

QUALITY - hard to come by.

Paul Markham · 08-06-2004, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by quiet
those costs are a joke if you're running a serious paysite operation. the biggest issues are getting the right girls, having the scenes done the way you want, AND in a timely manner. Oh, and high quality. try doing that by yourself... (i know nothing of stills, and am not commenting on that area) good luck.

QUALITY - hard to come by.

The costs were kept down not pushed up. Our expenses are a lot higher than this, but then we are established and selling to magazines which pays all the costs.

QUALITY and PORN are two strange bed fellows. Getting both to lay down together takes experience. I reckon it takes about a year for me to teach someone with the right attitude/personality.

Paul Markham · 08-06-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
I dont think one has to make that investment right off the bat if starting out. Also it depends on what you are shooting if its fucking and sucking and the people are really into it, as long as its in focus and no big shadows . Surfers are happy.

I started with a cheap HP digital camera and $10 paint lights. The first year we were free and then for the first year we went pay ,we both worked fulltime and didnt touch the money it went into upgrading skills and equiptment.

I think self produced content is more unique and sells better then bought stuff because if you dont have alot of money its the same stuff everyone has. If your a big fish and can afford to have Dean Capture shoot exclusive for you thats another story.

I also think if someone is starting a pretty girl site and they dont have alot of money unless they have a super hot wife or girlfriend who is their primary model and thinks its very hard to do in this day and age.

The real investment is in the models and the time to interview them. The equipment you could probably shave a few thousand off of.

As for shooting stuff yourself and making it look different from what every other newbie who thinks my job is cool well please tell me how they do that.

Problem is while the guy is learning how to use the equipment, manage the girl, learn the poses and develope a technique asking him to shoot something different than every other newbie is a bit much.

But always a good enough excuse to get a BJ.

Paul Markham · 08-07-2004, 01:44 AM

WebDork · 08-07-2004, 02:15 AM

First decent post on here in years.

Thanks for sharing!

MaDalton · 08-07-2004, 04:53 AM

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I dont think one has to make that investment right off the bat if starting out. Also it depends on what you are shooting if its fucking and sucking and the people are really into it, as long as its in focus and no big shadows . Surfers are happy. I started with a cheap HP digital camera and $10 paint lights. The first year we were free and then for the first year we went pay ,we both worked fulltime and didnt touch the money it went into upgrading skills and equiptment. I think self produced content is more unique and sells better then bought stuff because if you dont have alot of money its the same stuff everyone has. If your a big fish and can afford to have Dean Capture shoot exclusive for you thats another story. I also think if someone is starting a pretty girl site and they dont have alot of money unless they have a super hot wife or girlfriend who is their primary model and thinks its very hard to do in this day and age. Last edited by tony299; 08-06-2004 at 10:16 PM..

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stevecore Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,130	very good advice... i know someone who'd be interested in reading this. thanks charly

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