Without AMERICAN POWER, the world would go to SHIT? - GoFuckYourself.com

pimplink · 08-14-2004, 09:30 AM

Thesis: Without American hegemony the world would likely return to the dark ages.

Article: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110005244

Talking points: Culture and advancement is not fixed in any one geopolitical point. If this is true, then why argue for the need for American protection of 'fixed bases' of culture/technology/progress?

pimplink · 08-14-2004, 09:37 AM

From the article:

Waning empires. Religious revivals. Incipient anarchy. A coming retreat into fortified cities. These are the Dark Age experiences that a world without a hyperpower might find itself reliving. The trouble is, of course, that this Dark Age would be an altogether more dangerous one than the one of the ninth century. For the world is roughly 25 times more populous, so that friction between the world's "tribes" is bound to be greater. Technology has transformed production; now societies depend not merely on freshwater and the harvest but also on supplies of mineral oil that are known to be finite. Technology has changed destruction, too: Now it is possible not just to sack a city, but to obliterate it.

Giorgio_Xo · 08-14-2004, 09:39 AM

Obviously, this thesis is a joke. Political theory states that a vacuum of power draws new political forces. That power concentrates in the hands of the few. There are plenty of very strong countries that could replace the U.S. over a short period of time. This article also argues that American hegemony is a good thing which isn't an easy thing to prove. I can point to dozens of countries that don't believe that is true - Central America primarily.

Pax Americana is a myth. We are the most warmongering nation in the history of Earth. Since 1776 the U.S. has sent troops abroad to fight over 200 times surpassing the Roman Empire and the Mongols.

TheMob · 08-14-2004, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Obviously, this thesis is a joke. Political theory states that a vacuum of power draws new political forces. That power concentrates in the hands of the few. There are plenty of very strong countries that could replace the U.S. over a short period of time. This article also argues that American hegemony is a good thing which isn't an easy thing to prove. I can point to dozens of countries that don't believe that is true - Central America primarily.

Pax Americana is a myth. We are the most warmongering nation in the history of Earth. Since 1776 the U.S. has sent troops abroad to fight over 200 times surpassing the Roman Empire and the Mongols.

is that a fact? link please

pimplink · 08-14-2004, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Obviously, this thesis is a joke. Political theory states that a vacuum of power draws new political forces. That power concentrates in the hands of the few. There are plenty of very strong countries that could replace the U.S. over a short period of time. This article also argues that American hegemony is a good thing which isn't an easy thing to prove. I can point to dozens of countries that don't believe that is true - Central America primarily.

Pax Americana is a myth. We are the most warmongering nation in the history of Earth. Since 1776 the U.S. has sent troops abroad to fight over 200 times surpassing the Roman Empire and the Mongols.

You raise very good points BUT the concept of a Pax Americana only holds for the post WW2 period. In this period, US incursions are much fewer than the Roman/Mongol empires you mention above.

pxxx · 08-14-2004, 09:44 AM

I dont think that is true.

pimplink · 08-14-2004, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by pxxx
I dont think that is true.

Please elaborate

tranza · 08-14-2004, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by pxxx
I dont think that is true.

Lol.... You're not going to be paid for your bs posts!

pimplink · 08-14-2004, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by tranza
Lol.... You're not going to be paid for your bs posts!

EviLSuperstaR · 08-14-2004, 10:44 AM

There is a lot of American power in Iraq now. That country is such a lovely place now

RicardoB · 08-14-2004, 12:21 PM

US gives itself way to much credit.

The world can do without it no doubt.

But does that mean it should?

Now there's a question

pimplink · 08-15-2004, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by RicardoB
US gives itself way to much credit.

The world can do without it no doubt.

But does that mean it should?

Now there's a question

Cultural diversity is always a good thing. Is it?

Goatse · 08-15-2004, 06:42 PM

Without white ingeniosity, there wouldn't be a civilization for you subhumans to complain about.

pimplink · 08-15-2004, 06:56 PM

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Originally posted by Goatse
Without white ingeniosity, there wouldn't be a civilization for you subhumans to complain about.

But didn't civilization began in "non-white" areas (Mesopotamia, Harapa River Valley, Lower Nile, Yangtze river valley, etc)?

Webby · 08-15-2004, 07:18 PM

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Without AMERICAN POWER, the world would go to SHIT?

I can't stop laughing!!!!

That is the joke of the century - so far.. tooooo silly!!

Webby · 08-15-2004, 07:33 PM

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Mr. Ferguson, professor of history at NYU and a senior fellow of the Hoover Institution

Sheesh... and this utter crap was actually attributed to some "professor"??

He needs to get into the real world and learn something

mrgica · 08-15-2004, 07:36 PM

08-14-2004, 09:30 AM	#1
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08-14-2004, 09:37 AM	#2
pimplink Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Closer than you think Posts: 9,535	From the article: Waning empires. Religious revivals. Incipient anarchy. A coming retreat into fortified cities. These are the Dark Age experiences that a world without a hyperpower might find itself reliving. The trouble is, of course, that this Dark Age would be an altogether more dangerous one than the one of the ninth century. For the world is roughly 25 times more populous, so that friction between the world's "tribes" is bound to be greater. Technology has transformed production; now societies depend not merely on freshwater and the harvest but also on supplies of mineral oil that are known to be finite. Technology has changed destruction, too: Now it is possible not just to sack a city, but to obliterate it. __________________ Need Mainstream Content and SEO? SEO * Website Copy * Blogs Blogging - PR Work - Forum Marketing - Social Marketing - Link building - Articles 100% Guaranteed Content!

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Giorgio_Xo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,263	Obviously, this thesis is a joke. Political theory states that a vacuum of power draws new political forces. That power concentrates in the hands of the few. There are plenty of very strong countries that could replace the U.S. over a short period of time. This article also argues that American hegemony is a good thing which isn't an easy thing to prove. I can point to dozens of countries that don't believe that is true - Central America primarily. Pax Americana is a myth. We are the most warmongering nation in the history of Earth. Since 1776 the U.S. has sent troops abroad to fight over 200 times surpassing the Roman Empire and the Mongols. __________________ Make Levees, Not War

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pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	I dont think that is true.

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EviLSuperstaR Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Right next to you Posts: 804	There is a lot of American power in Iraq now. That country is such a lovely place now

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