Alex From San Diego

And you should tell them to F off too.

98% of the people posting in this thread don't understand what a sales rep is in the first place and think it is just based like every webmaster referral program out there.

The second point is 98% of posters here aren't even qualified to be a sales rep.

Steve

I dunno. What is their usual hourly rate?

McKracken

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Libertine

Nah, man. The adult industry may be easy, but it isn't that easy for a complete newbie to pull in $10k a month.

By the way, I didn't say the gallery was designed by the noob either.

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Steve

Well, since I am NOT a sales rep, I will just agree with you, then.

















but trust me, I am right

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Libertine

Don't forget, a newbie doesn't have partner accounts yet, webmasters don't know him yet, he doesn't have nice traffic to old galleries yet, etc. Those things make a pretty big difference.

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Alex From San Diego

Let me put it this way.

If you alone can be a "webmaster" and have the necessary skill set to generate 300 joins per day on your own pushing your own program or other programs then yes you would be correct in that you can make a lot more than one of my sales rep that is responsible for 300 joins per day to our program.

However if you don't posess the skill sets to generate 300 joins per day on your own, then a potential 290k per year as a sales rep is not to shabby.

A sales rep has a special knack for selling hence the wrod sales rep....lol

Odie

agreed...

I didn't have a clue about this industry when I started but I learned and am still learning.

Being a sales rep doesn't just mean posting. Tracking people down, following up on emails, icq's, coding, making custom galleries, making sure that people are sending and happy are not easy amongst other duties. Many of the sales reps don't do half of those things b/c they don't know how. It's how badly you want it. If you're smart and want to maximize the amount of $$, then you learn very quickly how to code, program, etc.

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I haven't worked in 7 years and your sales rep page had me considering sending an application. Looks great to me.

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detoxed

You still dont get it. We understand what a sales rep is and should be. The problem is that MOST SPONSORS say "We are hiring sales reps" and all they are doing is looking for people to refer webmasters. Its not the people posting here that dont understand, its the sponsors fucking up the definition of sales rep.

Alex From San Diego

If you are interested, send an email to alex At JasonandAlex.com

or hit me up on icq 74296267

Alex From San Diego

Well I'm not "MOST SPONSORS"

I don't just take anyone off the street and say you are going to be a sales rep for me.....lol

detoxed

I didnt say you were doing that.. just saying thats why we have to ask questions like, "What exactly do you mean by sales rep"

Libertine

Well, the thing is, at the moment I can pretty much live off of webmaster referrals I've made in the past.
Now, with some minor calculations, I found out that if I'd be making with them what your sales reps are making per join, it'd be way, way less.

That seemed a bit odd to me, that's all.

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Alex From San Diego

Like I said, I posted a spreadsheet showing the potential for a sales rep in response to a question. I didn't come in here advertising for sales reps needed.

We have a 15 page handbook outlining the duties and responsibilities for our sales reps detailing our system and compensation package.

There is a lot more to it than just the page I posted.

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Alex From San Diego

ok....so you are making more than 290k per year on commisions alone.....you mean you are receiving dollars for every join generated on an exit, cancelled member that joined again 3 months later, every cross sale, every upsell....the list goes on and on....

If so then you are doing good and this is a moot point.

I'm not here to argue or debate with you on who pays more and where you can make more money. If you are doing good, then more power to you and I wish you all the sucess in the world

Libertine

Ah, so you're one of those people who actually require weird things like relevant education, references and *gasp* an actual resume from applicants

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Libertine

I wasn't trying to argue on who makes more money, what I was trying to say (perhaps not exactly as clear as possible) is that when I saw that page and didn't know yet that that wasn't the only thing determining your reps' pay, it puzzled me a bit.

Having heard a bit more about it, obviously your reps don't get half as bad a deal as I initially thought.

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FreeHugeMovies

Hang on, are we suppose to get paid?

Libertine

Nah, you're supposed to be in it for the free porn.

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Na, I already had that.

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Libertine

You already had free porn yet you decided to do more work in the industry? For God's sake man, why?! That is like travelling on while you already have the holy grail in your possession!

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HAPPYPEEKERS

I agree.. It has taken us around 4 years to bring in around that much a month and it is still going up.. glad we stuck with it though :-))

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infecto

You know its very true alot of programs have sales reps that work for comission but unless that program is complete shit its alot different then just being a referring webmaster. You know the people behind the program, know whats going on and have the ability to give bigger accounts more perks to promoting your program. You all look at that $1-$2 per sale as peanuts but when your talking about portfolios that have 100+ active accounts in them your going to be pulling in some good numbers. Not to mention the big fish are not that hard to hook as long as your program makes them money.

infecto

I also wanted to add that you get alot of networking done with this. You get to talk to alot of site owners see whats working for them and get to know them.

Christopher Lucidi

I've been reading this thread at Alex's request, and have formed my own conclusions on where this is going...

First things first. Yes, this is my first post. No, I don't have a background in porn. No, I'm not using a cheesy handle. That is my real name. I have been an investment banker now for over 9 years. I have taken 21 companies public which are all verifiable on the Securities and Exchange Commissions website. Jason and Alex have hired me at a considerable expense to take their company public.

I'm reading here that people think that $1.75 per join, AS A SALES REP mind you, is low, and they can do better elsewhere, blah blah blah.

Its not just $1.75 a join, there is a stock play involved. The largest problem I have seen researching this industry for the past 6 months, is the lack of accountability. Not JUST the webmasters and affiliates, but the programs themselves. Alex was not trying to push his new program, he was trying to help a newbie. In effect though, when people start claiming ignorant statements about getting $30 a join, AS A SALES REP, they are just spending too much time drinking while posting. If you can make $30 a join (or for that matter even $20) as a sales rep per join, please ICQ me, cause I know this company will be profitable at $1.75, I could take on Bill Gates with $20-$30 a join.

Back to the newbie?Just so you know, as a sales rep for a company you personally are not going to be sending 300 joins a day to program. However, you will be responsible for managing the talents, and again, the ACCOUNTABILITY, for maybe 15 affiliates underneath you pushing an average of 20 a day each.

Last comment?Jasonandalex.com is not only offering $1.75 to a sales rep for a referral. It is so much more. As a company in the process of going public, details of posting such as these will have to written in a manner not to release any information that is not considered ?public information?. The details I can give everyone, is that sales reps will be in the position working for this company to make cash on per join basis, STOCK, in our company that has liquidity (value) on the open market on a per join basis, and a program that offers webmasters and affiliates something that NO OTHER program can. Honesty. All of our information, including how much money we make and how much money you make, is audited on the financial statements and made available to the public on the SEC?s website.

Any questions, hit me up.

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Off course but you don't necessarry have to reffer them ...

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Libertine

Did you just call me a newbie?

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Don't feel bad.. I'm a newbie too.

Libertine

Nobody made statements about sales reps getting $30 a join. Where did you even get that from?

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Libertine

One last, small thing:

You researched this industry for 6 months, and you have the idea that a sales rep will be managing 15 affiliates who average 20 sales day each?
Now I see why all you investment banker types got fucked when the dot com bubble burst...

I may have no idea about the jobs of sales reps, but what I do know is that affiliates who consistently produce 20 sales a day are fairly rare. Looking at the affiliate stats epiccash, totemcash and lightspeedcash posted the other day confirms that idea.
JasonandAlex, as a program, does not seem a great deal larger than epiccash or lightspeedcash in terms of traffic (going by alexa stats), so it seems somewhat odd to expect dozens of affiliates bringing in more than their top earners (assuming they'll have multiple sales reps).
Ofcourse, I might be missing something here, but it seems much more likely that sales reps will have a big load of insignificant affiliates to manage, with maybe a few big ones.

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crockett

Not really, you can't look at everything from a money perspective. Of course if you know what your doing with either web mastering or being a sale rep you can make money. Of course you have the chance to make a lot more doing your own stuff.

However being a sales rep can put you in a unique position to make good solid contacts for the future and give you a peak at what goes on within a affiliate program from the inside. You may not get to see everything, but I'm sure it would give you the opportunity to learn the ins and outs of running your own program a lot faster than just running a TGP for example.

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Libertine

Plus, it's probably a pretty good way to get contacts in various areas of the biz. As a webmaster, generally most contacts you create are with people in your own niche/site type/etc.

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