Do you think sponsors also do reverse shaving? - GoFuckYourself.com

Quotealex · 08-27-2004, 05:20 AM

A reverse shaving is when a sponsor give you signups that you didn't make. For example, if you sent them 1,000 hits and actually only made one signup, they would trow in another signup so that you stat shows a ratio of 1:500 instead of 1:1000.

Why would they do that you ask?
Simply to get you hooked and start promoting them more....

Do you thing sponsors do reverse shaving?

beemk · 08-27-2004, 05:22 AM

i dont know, but if you find any that do let me know so i can sign up and promote them

EscortBiz · 08-27-2004, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
A reverse shaving is when a sponsor give you signups that you didn't make. For example, if you sent them 1,000 hits and actually only made one signup, they would trow in another signup so that you stat shows a ratio of 1:500 instead of 1:1000.

Why would they do that you ask?
Simply to get you hooked and start promoting them more....

Do you thing sponsors do reverse shaving?

yes they do, pay off a few programmers and you will get the scoop and video proof of what goes on behind the scenes

enjoy

julioxp · 08-27-2004, 05:34 AM

If they make false signups it is only to give sth to the people to say that they are good sponsors and well converting and bla bla bla when it isn't true.

If you notice something like that you should make it public to avoid other ppl to get fucked by them.

Julio

biskoppen · 08-27-2004, 05:38 AM

It will only bring a short time effect ... they can't afford keeping on doing it .. and the minute they stop people will get disapointed - and maybe stop pushing them

(Shut up Steve

)

EviLGuY · 08-27-2004, 05:44 AM

I doubt it happens unless its someone trying to land a big fish webmaster or something.

Jakke PNG · 08-27-2004, 05:48 AM

I think they rather shave hits than give extra sales. lol.

I convert at 1:20 2nd page uniques, and 1:100 1st page raw at a certain sponsor according to their stats. Total of 1000 hits sent according to them.
Funnily my own stats show over 5k hits sent.

I'm not complaining as long as they pay though.

Quotealex · 08-27-2004, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by biskoppen
It will only bring a short time effect ... they can't afford keeping on doing it .. and the minute they stop people will get disapointed - and maybe stop pushing them

(Shut up Steve )

Yeah but in the mean time they get you to make lots of galleries, feeders and other sites for them that you can't replace/remove and they'll get lots of publicity.

hjnet · 08-27-2004, 06:17 AM

I def. think that reverse shaving exists, I have that one sponsor I've promoted ~1 year ago, and I didn't send them much traffic since then (~50 hits per month), but during the last 6 months I always got a sale at the beginning of a new month, but i don#t complain about that.

Quotealex · 08-27-2004, 07:22 AM

I think every sponsors these days know that their affiliates can and do track the amount of hits they send to them, thus whether the sponsors count hits on the first page, second page or signup page, it is irrelevant since we use our own stats for the hits we send and just care about number of signup we get from sponsors.

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
I think they rather shave hits than give extra sales. lol.

I convert at 1:20 2nd page uniques, and 1:100 1st page raw at a certain sponsor according to their stats. Total of 1000 hits sent according to them.
Funnily my own stats show over 5k hits sent.

I'm not complaining as long as they pay though.

emmanuelle · 08-27-2004, 07:47 AM

Yes they do, but I don't think you need to worry about that

BradM · 08-27-2004, 07:50 AM

I believe some have done it sure.

Fabien · 08-27-2004, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
A reverse shaving is when a sponsor give you signups that you didn't make. For example, if you sent them 1,000 hits and actually only made one signup, they would trow in another signup so that you stat shows a ratio of 1:500 instead of 1:1000.

Why would they do that you ask?
Simply to get you hooked and start promoting them more....

Do you thing sponsors do reverse shaving?

Wow Alex

T'en fumes du bon à matin

Yeah, i thought about that once.
Why not ? What, got something you want to tell us

{fusion} · 08-27-2004, 07:53 AM

look at a sponsor like a slot machine and you will have the true picture.

bigdog · 08-27-2004, 07:54 AM

i would reverse shave all the guys that publish their stats, plus guys like persiankitty and greenguy because i always visit their sites to see what they are pushing.

Dirty F · 08-27-2004, 07:55 AM

Platinum bucks already showed sales for the next month. Now thats nice isnt it

Ars had extra sales showing up but they were quickly deleted again as well as all the messages on the message board about it.

mardigras · 08-27-2004, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by biskoppen
they can't afford keeping on doing it

They could if they were randomly assigning sales that didn't come from affiliate links (search engine hits) to affiliates. I recall seeing at least one sponsor in the past who did that, but can't remember who.

sake · 08-27-2004, 07:57 AM

Why not simply shave the hits so that your ratio looks a lot better and therefore you will keep on pushing them?

rowan · 08-27-2004, 08:00 AM

There was one particular cam sponsor where if you had a bad run and emailed them saying "my ratio is very high, is something wrong?" a sale or two would magically appear soon after their reply.

It happened twice to me, may have been coincidence, may have been 'shave conscience' (cough)

Basic_man · 08-27-2004, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
Yeah but in the mean time they get you to make lots of galleries, feeders and other sites for them that you can't replace/remove and they'll get lots of publicity.

Yep, that's the internet game!

jimmyf · 08-27-2004, 08:27 AM

no tell what logic runs through a cheats mind.

http · 08-27-2004, 08:46 AM

there was one big sponsor where you could always open a fresh account and always see substantially better results immediately, with exactly the same traffic source & amount

Reak · 08-27-2004, 08:50 AM

10dollarcash.com counts on joinpage ratio..

So in fact you sond 3k hits but your signup ratio is 1:120

soulcash.com counts on 2th page uniques

So in fact you sond 5k hits with only 3k showing on 1:500 ratio

Personal i dont mind aslong i know it ( and dont find out later )

Gator · 08-27-2004, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rowan
There was one particular cam sponsor where if you had a bad run and emailed them saying "my ratio is very high, is something wrong?" a sale or two would magically appear soon after their reply.

It happened twice to me, may have been coincidence, may have been 'shave conscience' (cough)

I am testing one right now. I haven't had a sale in over 2 months.

Quotealex · 08-27-2004, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fabien
Wow Alex
T'en fumes du bon à matin

Yeah, i thought about that once.
Why not ? What, got something you want to tell us

Haha très drole

In general, I trust as much as sponsors as I trust pushers

Varius · 08-27-2004, 10:29 AM

Good question.

From my point of view, I see it like this:

If someone is converting badly and we give him a signup so he sends more traffic, we're throwing away money.

If his small traffic wont convert, why would more of it start converting ????

The better thing to do is try and find out how he's sending traffic and see what can be done with your site, maybe new front-ends for example, so help IMPROVE his conversion.

True, I suppose a sponsor could add sales to someone to keep them happy, but if it's only for reputation, they might as well just pay them straight out to be a rep on the board...same effect, less work

WiredGuy · 08-27-2004, 10:31 AM

I would say certain sponsors do this to accounts that make their stats public. For example, a couple link lists publish their stats and sites like the Statistician. By giving extra joins, this makes their program look better to webmasters who are looking at the stats. Makes their program stick out on top and hence brings in more webmasters.

WG

biskoppen · 08-27-2004, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sake
Why not simply shave the hits so that your ratio looks a lot better and therefore you will keep on pushing them?

Only the inexperienced webmaster bases success on the ratio .. it's all about expenses versus income - no matter what the ratio is .. I have success at 1:20 with some programs at 1:1300 with others

ItBurnsWhenIpee · 08-27-2004, 10:41 AM

I do know that almost every time I have tried a new sponsor, they are amazing for about 2 weeks, then they perform how I would expect them to after that.

Rich · 08-27-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
I think they rather shave hits than give extra sales.

I'm with this guy

nastyking · 08-27-2004, 11:02 AM

can be tested easily

Quotealex · 08-27-2004, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by nastyking
can be tested easily

I presume sponsors would besmart enough to use reverse shaving only after you start getting signups so to avoid getting frauded with hitbots;)

Juicy D. Links · 08-27-2004, 11:10 AM

yup i know it exists

it happens

Quotealex · 08-27-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by nastyking
can be tested easily

I presume sponsors would be smart enough to use reverse shaving only after you start getting signups so to avoid getting frauded with hitbots;)

Doctor Dre · 08-27-2004, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by biskoppen
It will only bring a short time effect ... they can't afford keeping on doing it .. and the minute they stop people will get disapointed - and maybe stop pushing them

(Shut up Steve )

not if they generally convert great and shave ...

then when you got bad luck and don't convert they add signups

LA Mike · 08-27-2004, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I would say certain sponsors do this to accounts that make their stats public. For example, a couple link lists publish their stats and sites like the Statistician. By giving extra joins, this makes their program look better to webmasters who are looking at the stats. Makes their program stick out on top and hence brings in more webmasters.

WG

Exactly why we don't use programs that compare like that.

pornguy · 08-27-2004, 12:44 PM

That theory kind of goes along with giving away free porn to entice sales. It may actually work, and may happen.

wargames · 08-27-2004, 12:45 PM

I have heard of new companies doing that just to give there new program a boost right off the bat

08-27-2004, 05:20 AM	#1
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	Do you think sponsors also do reverse shaving? A reverse shaving is when a sponsor give you signups that you didn't make. For example, if you sent them 1,000 hits and actually only made one signup, they would trow in another signup so that you stat shows a ratio of 1:500 instead of 1:1000. Why would they do that you ask? Simply to get you hooked and start promoting them more.... Do you thing sponsors do reverse shaving?

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beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	i dont know, but if you find any that do let me know so i can sign up and promote them __________________ I host with Vacares

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biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	It will only bring a short time effect ... they can't afford keeping on doing it .. and the minute they stop people will get disapointed - and maybe stop pushing them (Shut up Steve ) __________________ Submit my videos to make bank, tons of 5 minute videos offered right here

08-27-2004, 05:48 AM	#7
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	I think they rather shave hits than give extra sales. lol. I convert at 1:20 2nd page uniques, and 1:100 1st page raw at a certain sponsor according to their stats. Total of 1000 hits sent according to them. Funnily my own stats show over 5k hits sent. I'm not complaining as long as they pay though. __________________ ..and I'm off.

08-27-2004, 05:44 AM	#6
EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	I doubt it happens unless its someone trying to land a big fish webmaster or something.

08-27-2004, 06:17 AM	#9
hjnet Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 3,815	I def. think that reverse shaving exists, I have that one sponsor I've promoted ~1 year ago, and I didn't send them much traffic since then (~50 hits per month), but during the last 6 months I always got a sale at the beginning of a new month, but i don#t complain about that.

08-27-2004, 07:47 AM	#11
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	Yes they do, but I don't think you need to worry about that

08-27-2004, 07:50 AM	#12
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	I believe some have done it sure.

08-27-2004, 07:53 AM	#14
{fusion} Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,650	look at a sponsor like a slot machine and you will have the true picture.

08-27-2004, 07:54 AM	#15
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i would reverse shave all the guys that publish their stats, plus guys like persiankitty and greenguy because i always visit their sites to see what they are pushing.

08-27-2004, 07:55 AM	#16
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Platinum bucks already showed sales for the next month. Now thats nice isnt it Ars had extra sales showing up but they were quickly deleted again as well as all the messages on the message board about it.

08-27-2004, 07:57 AM	#18
sake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,646	Why not simply shave the hits so that your ratio looks a lot better and therefore you will keep on pushing them?

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rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	There was one particular cam sponsor where if you had a bad run and emailed them saying "my ratio is very high, is something wrong?" a sale or two would magically appear soon after their reply. It happened twice to me, may have been coincidence, may have been 'shave conscience' (cough)

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http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	there was one big sponsor where you could always open a fresh account and always see substantially better results immediately, with exactly the same traffic source & amount

08-27-2004, 08:50 AM	#23
Reak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 420Calendar.com Posts: 17,920	10dollarcash.com counts on joinpage ratio.. So in fact you sond 3k hits but your signup ratio is 1:120 soulcash.com counts on 2th page uniques So in fact you sond 5k hits with only 3k showing on 1:500 ratio Personal i dont mind aslong i know it ( and dont find out later )

08-27-2004, 10:29 AM	#26
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Good question. From my point of view, I see it like this: If someone is converting badly and we give him a signup so he sends more traffic, we're throwing away money. If his small traffic wont convert, why would more of it start converting ???? The better thing to do is try and find out how he's sending traffic and see what can be done with your site, maybe new front-ends for example, so help IMPROVE his conversion. True, I suppose a sponsor could add sales to someone to keep them happy, but if it's only for reputation, they might as well just pay them straight out to be a rep on the board...same effect, less work __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

08-27-2004, 10:31 AM	#27
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	I would say certain sponsors do this to accounts that make their stats public. For example, a couple link lists publish their stats and sites like the Statistician. By giving extra joins, this makes their program look better to webmasters who are looking at the stats. Makes their program stick out on top and hence brings in more webmasters. WG __________________ I play with Google.

08-27-2004, 10:41 AM	#29
ItBurnsWhenIpee Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Beach, SoCal Posts: 1,288	I do know that almost every time I have tried a new sponsor, they are amazing for about 2 weeks, then they perform how I would expect them to after that.

08-27-2004, 11:02 AM	#31
nastyking Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,174	can be tested easily __________________

08-27-2004, 11:10 AM	#33
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	yup i know it exists it happens

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