wolfshade

OK people this is a thread on my board

12clicks vs Kjword sponsorpost
http://www.resourcevault.com/ubb/For...ML/001151.html

I'm gonna do what KJ always does:

Anybody have any info on that KJ dude I can use?

Now read it and don't forget to return here, I'm not posting this to draw away traffic from this board, I'm just in the mood for a pissing match on mine*LOL*

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ldinternet

That "word" guy is a piece of fungus covered shit. He's probably just pissed because he can't sell memberships.

Now back to work...

Wilber

wolfshade.
And what (exactly) do you find "funny" about a guy that exposes cheaters and gets results where webmasters cannnot?

wiZd0m

I bet you he is investigating Wlfshades Dialer !

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wolfshade

Well first I find it funny as hell that a guy that doesn't know anything about the adult bizz to appoint himself the sponsor police.

Second he's talking about programs closed more then 6 months ago like it's a recent topic.

Third he lies(check the thread)

Fourth: he tries to badmouth the biggest sponsors out there like AP and Standard Internet which have been around like forever.

Normally I'd be neutral but I know Lens and I know Ron they are good people. Not the easiest to get along with but nevertheless good people, that will pay what they owe.

Fifth he's spamming the boards with this crap yet tells in his reports that those are not the place to handle matters like that.

I could go on but I don't have that kinda time.

And eh Wizdom he can check out my dialerclopedia anytime I think this will become just as popular as Sexhounds mottafucka list

So in short YES I FIND THIS HILARIOUS AND AM HAVING A BALL

His posts might be clueless but have a high entertainment level and I loveeeeeeeeee to stir things like that up a bit

Cheers,
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Wilber

In regard to "first"
He acts as a medium between a sponsor and an agent...what's
adult biz got to do with anything? An agent expects to be paid, a
sponsor pays.

In regard to "second"
If an agent is owed money, and the sponsor can be contacted, then
there is a place for ppl like J.K. who want to pursue these matters.
Closed programs or not its worth trying to obtain funds if at all possible.

In regard to "third"
You'll have to explain it to me I must have missed something there.
(the lying)

In regard to "fourth"
I find him totally unbiased. He only posts "conclusions" after communicating
with agents and sponsors. He posts all threads for all to come to their
own conclusions.

In regard to "fifth"
Well one would think a proper investigation requires gathering information
and since boards are a gathering place for both sponsors and agents then
it makes sense to use it as one resource for gathering info.

I think its a good thing J.K.Word is there. There is nothing else like his site
where a person/persons actively pursue alleged fraud complaints. Jumping
on the guy doesn't make any sense. More cheated webmasters should
submit complaints to this guy and they might recover money they had
long given up for dead.

I would like to see a place on his site that also shows proven cheating
agents then perhaps some sponsors might find a use for J.K.Word's site
as well.

He does good, and he is willing to go where no man has gone before.

wolfshade

OK, let me try to make it a bit more clear for you.

This KJ dude spams the boards with his "investigations", and announcements.
Last time I checked we do not allow spam(or do we?)


Second:

When somebody not related to the adult bizz starts poking around in the adult biz shit is bound to happen. There is no way he knows who to talk to and there certainly is no way to find out wether what he posts there is true or an freely editted version of what realy took place. I mean we can write up anything we want on a webpage can't we?

Now as you may or may not now I own dialerclopedia and that's a dialer resource and a dialer program.

As owner of the resource I have a list of dialer programs on there what I call "trusted dialer list" those are companies I know that pay. Every once in a while I receive an email about a dialerprogram listed there that supposedly has cheated the webmaster.

Ok, if that's true that program certainly does not belong on that list so I investigate. I do not announce my investigation and should I find out it's true it moves from the list to the blacklist(only if I have proof, and I post the proof too). So far I had to do that 2 times in all other cases I was able to start comunnications between the webmaster and the company and in all cases the webmaster got paid.

How do I get such a high success ratio? because I keep it confidential and that gets results.

Going public is simular to badmouthing a company, just like if I were to pop up on a party where you and all your friends are and say hey I heared you duck taxes and I'm investigating it. I don't accuse but your rep with your friends is down the drain allready no matter what the outcome will be. That's how the human mind works unfortunately.

Last but not least I don't know for sure about US law but over here company info is confidential and against the law to give out to unauthorised organisations.

I asume there is a simular law over at the USA and if there is KJ CAN NEVER GET RESULTS THIS WAY.

Therefor I think it is safe to asume that most likely he's doing it for his own benefit(I mean it's easier to sell your sponsors when people trust your judgement eh?) and in the best case he's an upright guy with the right idea but not a clue as to how to do it and therefor the wrong guy for the job.

As for the lying It's all there:

In his reports he claims no commercial ads whatsoever in order to be neutral on his site and in my thread on my board he admits he can't pull certain ads because they have been prepaid. Now that's pretty obvious eh?

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wiZd0m

Wolfshade, I hope you did not miss the --> <-- in my comments to highlight the fact I was pulling a leg on you

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Wizzo

KJ Word doesn't "expose" cheaters, he defends them and always blames the sponsor. He thinks no matter what the webmaster does, he should get paid...Which is not the case in the real world...Cheat a Proggy, don't get paid.

However, his "investigations" are always a good laugh

wolfshade

Wizdom,

Just because you nick is wizdom doesn't make me the stupid one

Offcourse I saw the smiley and offcourse I knew you were joking

I just honestly believe that sponsorpost will become as popular as da motta fucka list from sexhound

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wiZd0m

I know, but it's not so much for you but for the people who might beleive what I said was true! I make jokes about sponsors and the people who runs the programs somethimes, like wossie, but then I don't want people to think bad because of my comments.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
sure about the former" - Albert Enstein

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Wilber

I (for one) would not consider his posts to be spam. He posts
them in the form of a question and asks other ppl if they have
any experiences/information regarding said sponsor. No
different than a webmaster asking who the best click-through
sponsor is with a sig that points to their website.

His post to your board...
Again, I think the point about it being "the adult biz" has
really nothing to do with investigating fraud. Whether he has
experiences in the adult industry or not would not effect his
experiences as an investigator. Cheating husbands, break-ins,
theft from employees...these are all investigatable (s'that a word?)

Going public is part of what his site is about. Sure anyone
can make an accusation but I have noticed J.K. doesn't post
accusations on his site the minute he receives them its after
a few communications and things have developed more that his
alerts begin.

In the US company information is public information. Unless
a company gets employees to sign a non-disclosure or something
along those lines. Anyone can walk into the business registry
and for a small sum get a print-out of a companies ownership and
positions of the board and more.

Results J.K. Word does get. From solving non-payments to getting
sponsors to respond when the webmaster cannot. He gets both
parties talking to each other when before there was only
repeated agent emails left unanswered.

As for the lying...I accept the "pre-paid" on one link but you
have pointed out superscripts and the freehosting. These do go
against what is posted on his site. I did see him answer you about
the pre-paid but I didn't see a response about the other two. I
would say he should remove one or the other...the claim of no
sponsors or the freehost and superscript's links.

I'd like to say that I am in no way affiliated to sponsorpost.com
nor J.K Word. I am mearly speaking as an outside observer and a
monitor of postings here and at sponsorpost.com

wolfshade

OK point by point:

Not true if you don't know the game you can not judge as to how it is played.
Also the comapnies he "investigates" are not obligated to talk to him so there's no guarantee he's getting the whole story


Developed for the worsed I'd say by starting this crap he eliminates almost all chances for that webmaster of getting paid.
(The reasons for that I posted earlier in this thread)

That still doesn't obligate the sponsor to talk to him so he can't get the full story.

In most cases the oposite my friend please get your facts straight

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Wilber

Well the game ain't that complex, it's someone signs up and someone pays.
Pretty much any monkey on the adult side can decipher the TOS at an
average sponsor. Many of these "complaints" (by webmasters) are
usually "I didn't get paid". There ain't a lot of rocket science involved here.
They cheated or they didn't. There is proof or there isn't.

Agreed, yet he gets them to talk.

Oh contraire my friend, if a webmaster submits to J.K. for assistance the
webmaster has usually exhausted all his/her resources hence they have
already concluded "I got stiffed". Any assistance from any outside parties
from there can/should be considered a helping hand at chasing lost funds.
They already didn't "get paid".

Most "stories" are not that complicated...a webmaster didn't get a check
and all J.K. asks on behalf of the webmaster is "why?".

Why should I start now?

All an agent has to provide is "I signed up". The onus of cheating proof lays
on the sponsor shoulders. IF the sponsor concludes they've been cheated
then they certainly would have proof. If they don't want to show that
proof then all they have to say is "It's company policy to keep all logs private
unless requested by a court of law, releasing any information pertaining to
how a webmaster cheated might only compromise our company and others
who provide a similar service". Let the webmaster file a writ.

When your talking smaller-than-my-lawyers-retainer-fee funds, then that's
where guys like J.K.Word fit in.

SNOW

Wolf shut the fuck up already... Your such a god damm board queen... Get a life and make some money.. Your so into poking in peoples business..

Your like the School bully who picked on everyone..

wolfshade

And what do you call what you're doing now Snow?

Also I'm entitled when they start posting on my board, that makes it my business.

BTW while we're starting that shit again
Isn't it about time you paid Duke? I wanna refresh my blacklist, your listing is getting old

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12clicks

Wilbur, please follow j/k word and we'll talk two years from now and see where it got you.

Susan

12clicks

I keep reading between the lines of all these posts but still can't decide who's good and bad LOL

Now I know exactly what you are going to say .. "listen to me and you won't go far wrong"

Its great entertainment though.

12clicks

susan, of course its entertaining.
My reputation was build over the course of YEARS and tens of THOUSANDS of paid webmasters.
That's why the j/kwords of this world are irrelevant (but oh so fun to toy with)

Webmasterbaby

OK first of all ! how do you put those darm faces in your text ! :-)

also i am with

ARS and Max Cash any good ?

i am sooo fu....g confused.

I am new but i'll e around for a while so
tell me some good & honest sponsers ! PLEASE!

How the f..#$@#!*%#$$^% does the smily face thing work ???

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Susan

You place smilies with a colon and close bracket, theres a help page for this when u post. This is not the thread to post either, too much hardware pointing at people

Although I don't use AP, it's an honest sponsor with kick ass content and webmaster tools. The owner tends to be a grumpy old fart though

Wilber

Heh, from a banter on a rogue advocate to "how do I put smiley faces up". Fuggin' newbies...go sign up for alladvantage or something.

12clicks. I can't see 2 years into the future, and what would make you think that I "follow" anyone?

wolfshade. You made some good points about J.K.'s unbias policy. Perhaps a small site modification is in order there.

12clicks

um, the fact that you pay more attention to this moron than any of the rest of us?

wolfshade

Wilber,
http://www.sponsorpost.com/investiga...rooks/jfys.htm

This is exactly what I am talking about

He has no authority and can never get to the bottom of a single case.

Nobody has to talk to him, and in fact the implications he makes on that page are lawsuit material alone.

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Wilber

heh, perhaps then this means I lead instead of follow

wolfshade,
Yea, but he has created some solutions and paybacks as well.

12clicks

more likely, it doesn't.

basschick

wilber, it IS that complicated if you don't know the biz. some sponsors require that their text link not be in a color close to the color of the page.

the program has the right to have any rule they want - but a lot of webmasters don't read the terms EVER. webmasters just sign up, and then say "hey, he's a bad man - he didn't pay me".

kj word takes the webmaster's side ONLY, basing a lot of conclusions on icq and emails that could be faked so easily that it is mind-boggling.

i think he likes the idea of being a detective, but that doesn't make him one. if he were more careful about what he was doing, and less biased toward the webmaster - i mean, there are a LOT of cheaters out there - his findings might mean more.

Lamar

KJ Word is just an amateur trying to be 'Robin Hood' for the online smut peddler community. His heart is in the right place but his head is stuck up his ass. When a sponsor doesn't reply to his emails he automatically lists them as scammers. What the fuck is that all about? Nobody is required to talk to this dipshit so why should they. He has no legal authority to sieze information to aid his grossly unethical 'investigations'. He also has no right to slander these companies based on the word of a pissed off webmaster. Just because some child pornographer in the Ukraine doesn't get paid for traffic he's sending from his incest toplist doesn't mean that his sponsor is cheating him.

Also the fact that he knows nothing of the 'adult biz' is a VERY important eliment in this. Investigating mail fraud or spousal infidelity is nothing like investigating the adult internet. That's like saying that being a referee for football is exactly the same as being a referee for basketball. If you don't know the rules of the game how can you make any educated judgements.

Anway, that's enough of my dribbling nonsense

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DarkJedi

that fucker smams gamma's board all the time too. everyone tells him to go fuck himself but he keeps doing it - he thinks somebody actually listents to his crap investigations

12clicks

That's exactly why he got the response he did from me.

he's nobody and nobody reads his board.

Toolz

Darkjedi,

Don't feel bad he SPAMS every board he can find. I read around 5 boards a day and this is one I haven't seen him on yet, let's not invite the sand in the vagina over here

I gotta go with 12Clicks and Wolfshade, as I've already pissed out with this guy on several boards in the past, he has 0 contacts in the industry and sponsors have no responsiblity to talk to him


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wolfshade

And for teh sceptics that didn't believe me or 12clicks:
http://www.sponsorpost.com/cgi-bin/U...=6&TID=35&SID=
In case he takes my message down this is what it says:

1. Sponsor post redirecting hits to a report in order to make $$$?
http://www.sponsorpost.com/crooks/7search/thereport.htm
Is supposed to be the 7search report instead it re-directs me to http://www.thumbnailmaster.com/errors/404.html
Which in turn redirects me to a sponsor page?

Care to comment?

Wolfshade

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12clicks

Wolf, he redirects that page because his whole conclusion on the "7search investigation" exposes him as a fraud and when I pointed this out to him he realized he should hide it.