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phogirl69 · 09-03-2004, 01:12 PM

Help me with this problem!

Five men and their wives entered the pie eating contest. Bob, Dave, Hank, Larry, and Phil sat across from their wives, who handed them pies as fast as they could eat them. Each man ate a
different kind of pie (including peach cream and blueberry). From the information given, determine the name of each man's wife and the kind of pie he ate.

1. Bob did not eat a cream pie

2. Neither Hank nor Nancy's husband ate banana cream pie.

3. The three couples at table number one were Phil and his wife; Fran and her husband; and the man who had cherry cream pie
and his wife. At table number two were Dave and his wife, who is not Bonnie; and Kathleen and her husband. who did not eat apple pie.

4. Larry sat between Darla's husband (who did not eat a cream pie) and Hank.

The wives names are : Bonnie, Darla, Fran, Kathleen, Nancy

Husbands are: Bob, Dave, Hank, Larry, Phil

Types of pies are :
apple, banana cream, bluebery, cherry cream and peach cream

I don't know the answer btw so I won't be able to tell you the answer. But if possible, please also try to explain how you got to the answer that you did and how you drew the diagram because I am super confused and need to figure out how to solve problems like these...

It's for a Philosophy Ethics class....

Jdoughs · 09-03-2004, 01:15 PM

Only thing i can say for sure is that Pierre, the pie chef, had 5 helpings of hair pie while the men ate.

whee · 09-03-2004, 01:25 PM

If you tell me WHY

2*2=4
AND
2+2=4

Then I'll answer your question to perfection.

RuthXtremePay · 09-03-2004, 01:37 PM

I used to do these all the time for fun...

Here's a tip..

draw yourself a grid that has all the husbands names, the wives names and the pie names on the left, and then repeat it all along the top

then you can put an X in spots and a Tick in other spots - it will look kind of like three columns along top, then two columns, then one column, so three levels to it, that way it can all be cross-referenced.

For example,

The first part says that bob did not eat a cream pie.. therefore you can eliminate three of the pies from bob, leaving only apple and blueberry

the second part says neither hank nor nancy's husband ate banana cream pie..

so now you can eliminate banana cream pie from hank and you know also that hank is not nancy husband so you can eliminate him from her list

this is basically a process of elimination..

again, for part three..

'phil and his wife, fran and her husband and the man who had cherry cream pie and his wife. at table number two were dave and his wife, who is not bonnie, and kathleen and her husband, who did not eat apple pie'

from this you can say the following:

phil is not married to fran
phil did not eat cherry cream pie
fran's husband did not eat cherry cream pie
fran's husband is not dave or phil
dave is not married to bonnie
kathleen is not married to dave or phil
kathleen's husband did not eat apple pie

I think if you look at it from the logical process of elimination you should be able to read between the lines and get it all together..

hope this helps

ace0r · 09-03-2004, 01:37 PM

Table1
Phil + Darla = apple
Larry + Fran = banana cream
Hank + Bonnie = Cherry Cream

Table 2
Dave + Nancy = Peach cream
Bob + Kathleen= Banana

I scored in the 98th percentile on the LSATS, they asked shit like this all the time on the logic/games part

RuthXtremePay · 09-03-2004, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ace0r
Table1
Phil + Darla = apple
Larry + Fran = banana cream
Hank + Bonnie = Cherry Cream

Table 2
Dave + Nancy = Peach cream
Bob + Kathleen= Banana

I scored in the 98th percentile on the LSATS

Not being picky.. but how come two of them have banana pies??

ace0r · 09-03-2004, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RuthXtremePay
Not being picky.. but how come two of them have banana pies??

err yeah, i had 'B' on my chart, meant blueberry ;P

phogirl69 · 09-03-2004, 01:48 PM

Thanks a lot Ruth and Ace0r for all your help.

Your method of reasoning is very helpful Ruth! I am going to to go through every word you said one by one and really think about how you deduced the info you did from the statements given. It's very helpful, and I usually have a VERY hard time with puzzles like this, it's hard for my brain to comprehend. I am better at English or reading, but these "logic puzzles" seem more like Math to me.

My Philosophy teacher is making us do these puzzles and it also counts towards our grade! If I knew the class was going to have puzzles like these I would have never ever taken the class, but we can take them home and do them, we're never gonna get tested on puzzles or anything. Plus my professor is also in law school right now, so I think she likes to make us suffer with LSAT style questions...

thanks a lot! I might have more for you next week ;)

Spunky · 09-03-2004, 01:49 PM

I like pie...Pie is good

ace0r · 09-03-2004, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
Thanks a lot Ruth and Ace0r for all your help.

Your method of reasoning is very helpful Ruth! I am going to to go through every word you said one by one and really think about how you deduced the info you did from the statements given. It's very helpful, and I usually have a VERY hard time with puzzles like this, it's hard for my brain to comprehend. I am better at English or reading, but these "logic puzzles" seem more like Math to me.

My Philosophy teacher is making us do these puzzles and it also counts towards our grade! If I knew the class was going to have puzzles like these I would have never ever taken the class, but we can take them home and do them, we're never gonna get tested on puzzles or anything. Plus my professor is also in law school right now, so I think she likes to make us suffer with LSAT style questions...

thanks a lot! I might have more for you next week ;)

Just do what ruth said and go with the grid method, also, go to the library and check out a Kaplan book on the LSATs and skip to the logic section,, it teaches you the methods on how to draw the grids for questions like these

RuthXtremePay · 09-03-2004, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
Thanks a lot Ruth and Ace0r for all your help.

Your method of reasoning is very helpful Ruth! I am going to to go through every word you said one by one and really think about how you deduced the info you did from the statements given. It's very helpful, and I usually have a VERY hard time with puzzles like this, it's hard for my brain to comprehend. I am better at English or reading, but these "logic puzzles" seem more like Math to me.

My Philosophy teacher is making us do these puzzles and it also counts towards our grade! If I knew the class was going to have puzzles like these I would have never ever taken the class, but we can take them home and do them, we're never gonna get tested on puzzles or anything. Plus my professor is also in law school right now, so I think she likes to make us suffer with LSAT style questions...

thanks a lot! I might have more for you next week ;)

LOL, my pleasure .. it's nice to think about something other than dick pills once in a while................

freeadultcontent · 09-03-2004, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
My Philosophy teacher is making us do these puzzles and it also counts towards our grade! If I knew the class was going to have puzzles like these I would have never ever taken the class, but we can take them home and do them, we're never gonna get tested on puzzles or anything.

Since this is for philosophy and ethics. Just put down on your paper the following.
"I feel obliged to tell you that I do not comprehend logic tests so I would just recruit my friends to do them for me. I only would do this because in the grand scheme of the universe who did it, is not as important as that it was done."

Manowar · 09-03-2004, 02:10 PM

I can understand any of that

phogirl69 · 09-03-2004, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Since this is for philosophy and ethics. Just put down on your paper the following.
"I feel obliged to tell you that I do not comprehend logic tests so I would just recruit my friends to do them for me. I only would do this because in the grand scheme of the universe who did it, is not as important as that it was done."

You're funny

The irony of that just hit me; it's for an Ethics class... lol

freeadultcontent · 09-03-2004, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
You're funny

If the teacher is even partially qualified, she should give at least a B to that response.

chodadog · 09-03-2004, 07:30 PM

Table one:
Bonnie is giving Hank cherry cream pies.
Fran is giving Larry banana cream pies.
Darla is giving Phil apple pies.

Table two:
Nancy is giving Dave peach cream pies.
Kathleen is giving Bob Blueberry pies.

How it's done:

I just drew up two tables. One with 3 rows (table one) and one with two rows (table two). Then you start filling in the data you do know and you begin a simple process of elimination.

For example:

"Larry sat between Darla's husband (who did not eat a cream pie) and Hank."

Between means these people are obviously at the table with 3 couples, as you can't be between someone when there is only one person next to you. So from that, we know that Larry is sitting in the middle, besides Hank and Darla's Husband.

So you've got data looking like this already:

Table one:

Hank/?pie/?wife
Larry/?pie/?wife
?husband/?pie/Darla

What i then did was listed all the types of pies in a cell for each couple and began crossing them off as i eliminated each one. It's really quite simple once you get going.

rickholio · 09-03-2004, 09:19 PM

I haven't read the other responses... wanted to do it without looking so I could match my results.

Phil -> Darla -> Apple
Larry -> Bonnie -> Banana Cream
Hank -> Fran -> Cherry Cream
Dave -> Nancy -> Peach Cream
Bob -> Kathleen -> Blueberry

Hope I didn't fuck it up. It's almost 1:30am here.

rickholio · 09-03-2004, 09:42 PM

Hmmm... I've seen 2 other people with larry being married to fran, but to the best that I can see hank can also be married to fran. ie.

Quote:

3. The three couples at table number one were Phil and his wife; Fran and her husband; and the man who had cherry cream pie
and his wife. At table number two were Dave and his wife, who is not Bonnie; and Kathleen and her husband. who did not eat apple pie.

4. Larry sat between Darla's husband (who did not eat a cream pie) and Hank.

The table at #3 is:

Phil ------- Bonnie(?)

??? ------- Fran/Bonnie(?)

??? ------- Fran/Bonnie(?)

Larry sits between darla's husband and hank, the table looks like:

Phil ------ Darla

Larry ------ Fran/Bonnie(?)

Hank ------ Fran/Bonnie(?)

There's no further differentiation based on familial relationship, eating preferences or seating that can split up fran and bonnie.

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

baddog · 09-03-2004, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Since this is for philosophy and ethics.

glad I was not the only one that picked up on the irony

ace0r · 09-03-2004, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rickholio

There's no further differentiation based on familial relationship, eating preferences or seating that can split up fran and bonnie.

Can anyone confirm or refute this?

when you put it on a grid, you will see that when you take the "not bonnie" given (#3) into consideration that the only possible place for her to end up in would be with hank.

Jeff aka NIGHTfall · 09-03-2004, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phogirl69
1. Bob did not eat a cream pie

that tells you off the bat that bob is not gay

rickholio · 09-04-2004, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ace0r
when you put it on a grid, you will see that when you take the "not bonnie" given (#3) into consideration that the only possible place for her to end up in would be with hank.

I did. Look at the (admittedly sucky) illustration. The 'not bonnie' thing only provides direct proof that bonnie is one of the three wives on table 1.

Jakke PNG · 09-04-2004, 10:08 AM

They're all lying. I ate all the pies.

pornkitten · 09-04-2004, 10:10 AM

guess thats a class I wont be taking

Chris · 09-04-2004, 10:11 AM

yup school is back up

zentz · 09-04-2004, 10:25 AM

i have a hedache...

xxxdesign-net · 08-14-2005, 09:25 AM

Phil + darla - banana cream
Larry + Fran - Apple
Hank + Bonnie - Cherry
Dave + Nancy - Peach Creme
Bob + Kathleen - Blueberry Creme

Havent double-checked.. but it all fits..

Manowar · 08-14-2005, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Phil + darla - banana cream
Larry + Fran - Apple
Hank + Bonnie - Cherry
Dave + Nancy - Peach Creme
Bob + Kathleen - Blueberry Creme

Havent double-checked.. but it all fits..

it took you 11 months to work that out?

Tala · 08-14-2005, 09:32 AM

Philosophy/Ethics class? The ethics of pie eating?

xxxdesign-net · 08-14-2005, 09:43 AM

oops.. Correction

Larry + Fran - Banana Creme
Hank + Bonnie - Cherry Creme
Phil + Darla - Apple

Dave + Nancy - Peach Creme
Bob + Kathleen - Blueberry

xxxdesign-net · 08-14-2005, 10:02 AM

Now Phogirl.. why did you say in the other thread that Rickholio was right? Did your teacher confirm this?

High Quality · 08-14-2005, 10:06 AM

Ima gunna go get some pie now.

mikeyddddd · 08-14-2005, 11:11 AM

<<<--- Next time ask about cake.

ssp · 08-14-2005, 12:02 PM

old thread alert

09-03-2004, 01:12 PM	#1
phogirl69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,330	Help me solve a logic/brain teaser puzzle Help me with this problem! Five men and their wives entered the pie eating contest. Bob, Dave, Hank, Larry, and Phil sat across from their wives, who handed them pies as fast as they could eat them. Each man ate a different kind of pie (including peach cream and blueberry). From the information given, determine the name of each man's wife and the kind of pie he ate. 1. Bob did not eat a cream pie 2. Neither Hank nor Nancy's husband ate banana cream pie. 3. The three couples at table number one were Phil and his wife; Fran and her husband; and the man who had cherry cream pie and his wife. At table number two were Dave and his wife, who is not Bonnie; and Kathleen and her husband. who did not eat apple pie. 4. Larry sat between Darla's husband (who did not eat a cream pie) and Hank. The wives names are : Bonnie, Darla, Fran, Kathleen, Nancy Husbands are: Bob, Dave, Hank, Larry, Phil Types of pies are : apple, banana cream, bluebery, cherry cream and peach cream I don't know the answer btw so I won't be able to tell you the answer. But if possible, please also try to explain how you got to the answer that you did and how you drew the diagram because I am super confused and need to figure out how to solve problems like these... It's for a Philosophy Ethics class.... Last edited by phogirl69; 09-03-2004 at 01:15 PM..

09-03-2004, 01:15 PM	#2
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09-03-2004, 01:37 PM	#4
RuthXtremePay Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 471	I used to do these all the time for fun... Here's a tip.. draw yourself a grid that has all the husbands names, the wives names and the pie names on the left, and then repeat it all along the top then you can put an X in spots and a Tick in other spots - it will look kind of like three columns along top, then two columns, then one column, so three levels to it, that way it can all be cross-referenced. For example, The first part says that bob did not eat a cream pie.. therefore you can eliminate three of the pies from bob, leaving only apple and blueberry the second part says neither hank nor nancy's husband ate banana cream pie.. so now you can eliminate banana cream pie from hank and you know also that hank is not nancy husband so you can eliminate him from her list this is basically a process of elimination.. again, for part three.. 'phil and his wife, fran and her husband and the man who had cherry cream pie and his wife. at table number two were dave and his wife, who is not bonnie, and kathleen and her husband, who did not eat apple pie' from this you can say the following: phil is not married to fran phil did not eat cherry cream pie fran's husband did not eat cherry cream pie fran's husband is not dave or phil dave is not married to bonnie kathleen is not married to dave or phil kathleen's husband did not eat apple pie I think if you look at it from the logical process of elimination you should be able to read between the lines and get it all together.. hope this helps __________________ XtremePay Let's do business - hit me up - ICQ #233854608 Promote the Web's Best Selling All Inclusive Sites! 50-70% Recurring! Click here now!!

09-03-2004, 01:48 PM	#8
phogirl69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,330	Thanks a lot Ruth and Ace0r for all your help. Your method of reasoning is very helpful Ruth! I am going to to go through every word you said one by one and really think about how you deduced the info you did from the statements given. It's very helpful, and I usually have a VERY hard time with puzzles like this, it's hard for my brain to comprehend. I am better at English or reading, but these "logic puzzles" seem more like Math to me. My Philosophy teacher is making us do these puzzles and it also counts towards our grade! If I knew the class was going to have puzzles like these I would have never ever taken the class, but we can take them home and do them, we're never gonna get tested on puzzles or anything. Plus my professor is also in law school right now, so I think she likes to make us suffer with LSAT style questions... thanks a lot! I might have more for you next week ;) Last edited by phogirl69; 09-03-2004 at 01:49 PM..

09-03-2004, 01:49 PM	#9
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09-03-2004, 01:25 PM	#3
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09-03-2004, 01:37 PM	#5
ace0r Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Calabasa, CA & Chicago, IL Posts: 1,410	Table1 Phil + Darla = apple Larry + Fran = banana cream Hank + Bonnie = Cherry Cream Table 2 Dave + Nancy = Peach cream Bob + Kathleen= Banana I scored in the 98th percentile on the LSATS, they asked shit like this all the time on the logic/games part

09-03-2004, 02:10 PM	#13
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09-03-2004, 07:30 PM	#16
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Table one: Bonnie is giving Hank cherry cream pies. Fran is giving Larry banana cream pies. Darla is giving Phil apple pies. Table two: Nancy is giving Dave peach cream pies. Kathleen is giving Bob Blueberry pies. How it's done: I just drew up two tables. One with 3 rows (table one) and one with two rows (table two). Then you start filling in the data you do know and you begin a simple process of elimination. For example: "Larry sat between Darla's husband (who did not eat a cream pie) and Hank." Between means these people are obviously at the table with 3 couples, as you can't be between someone when there is only one person next to you. So from that, we know that Larry is sitting in the middle, besides Hank and Darla's Husband. So you've got data looking like this already: Table one: Hank/?pie/?wife Larry/?pie/?wife ?husband/?pie/Darla What i then did was listed all the types of pies in a cell for each couple and began crossing them off as i eliminated each one. It's really quite simple once you get going. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

09-03-2004, 09:19 PM	#17
rickholio Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nor'easterland Posts: 1,914	I haven't read the other responses... wanted to do it without looking so I could match my results. Phil -> Darla -> Apple Larry -> Bonnie -> Banana Cream Hank -> Fran -> Cherry Cream Dave -> Nancy -> Peach Cream Bob -> Kathleen -> Blueberry Hope I didn't fuck it up. It's almost 1:30am here.

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08-14-2005, 09:25 AM	#27
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Phil + darla - banana cream Larry + Fran - Apple Hank + Bonnie - Cherry Dave + Nancy - Peach Creme Bob + Kathleen - Blueberry Creme Havent double-checked.. but it all fits..

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08-14-2005, 09:43 AM	#30
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	oops.. Correction Larry + Fran - Banana Creme Hank + Bonnie - Cherry Creme Phil + Darla - Apple Dave + Nancy - Peach Creme Bob + Kathleen - Blueberry

08-14-2005, 10:02 AM	#31
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Now Phogirl.. why did you say in the other thread that Rickholio was right? Did your teacher confirm this?

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