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BT · 09-23-2004, 09:14 PM

150 shot callers

Tala · 09-23-2004, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by BT_trafficcashgold
150 shot callers

Thank you for not being woj.

mary34d · 09-23-2004, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money
So let's see.

I've got Juicy first, KB second...

Who's next? My DJ? Main sponsors?

sponsors who put up the most money towards the players ball

mary34d · 09-23-2004, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money

Player Cards will be released too this year, sponsored by Epassporte. You can get a plastic card with your name on it that certifies you as a true player, Players Ball Players Card. Credit will be earned in upcoming announcements and applied on your account. I'm working closely with Don Magic Juan on making this a legit pimp card, Don Magic Juan authentic and approved!

Lot's of stuff happening.

And it's fun.

I'm still working on getting my pimp cup, you have to hit me up with that lady's number. Do I still get my offical players card???

seeric · 09-23-2004, 09:39 PM

<---------almost was a player. maybe one day. gotta work harder.

D-Money · 09-23-2004, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by A1R3K
<---------almost was a player. maybe one day. gotta work harder.

I'm going to give you the spotlight by thanking you for your Players Ball performance in the past.

For those who don't know, Airek is the only other webmaster DJ we had.

D-Money · 09-23-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by mary34d
sponsors who put up the most money towards the players ball

That helps sell packages!

SteveLightspeed · 09-23-2004, 10:04 PM

How about VIP for previous PB sponsors who launched their porn empires with the help of D-Money and the Players Ball?

I can think of one in particular

--- PB was my first big sponsored party, back when I was still "Steve Who?" --- lol

Steve Lightspeed

D-Money · 09-23-2004, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
How about VIP for previous PB sponsors who launched their porn empires with the help of D-Money and the Players Ball?

I can think of one in particular --- PB was my first big sponsored party, back when I was still "Steve Who?" --- lol

Steve Lightspeed

You'll be on my poster!

Of course I'll have passes for you.

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 10:06 PM

lightspeed is DEF a HUGE supporter of this industry - and should be in the top 10 for that reason alone besides the fact that his stuff rocks.

xNetworx · 09-23-2004, 10:25 PM

I run the program with PimpPorn.com

Check this out player (its old school 1999)PimpPorn Flash Movie

Can I get a pass? I also be pimpin in real life

mary34d · 09-23-2004, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by pimpporn
I run the program with PimpPorn.com

Check this out playerPimpPorn Flash Movie

Can I get a pass? I also be pimpin in real life

lol

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by pimpporn
I run the program with PimpPorn.com

Can I get a pass? I also be pimpin in real life

you should buy ads on sleazydream, all the other vips did....

xNetworx · 09-23-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
you should buy ads on sleazydream

I already did several months ago.. I had that "Are You a Pimp" Banner

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
lightspeed is DEF a HUGE supporter of this industry - and should be in the top 10 for that reason alone besides the fact that his stuff rocks.

Supporter of the industry is qualification?

In that case put me center stage. I have bled my fucking heart out for this industry and still...

Many would line up to dance on my grave.

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by pimpporn
I already did several months ago.. I had that "Are You a Pimp" Banner

you should buy more ads

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
Supporter of the industry is qualification?

In that case put me center stage. I have bled my fucking heart out for this industry and still...

Many would line up to dance on my grave.

i take it you've never been to a lightspeed event?

xNetworx · 09-23-2004, 10:33 PM

For clarification

I don't think I'm V.I.P.

I just want some free passes for helping to keep the pimp theme alive!

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i take it you've never been to a lightspeed event?

No.

But...

I have welcomed every knife in my back.
Every step on my skull...

For others to get to the top.

From XPICS to Sincity to present since 1996.

I am afraid that supporting this industry is a piss in the wind with all considerations and all due respect. Who gives a fuck if anyone knows...

And those I have helped would NEVER acknowledge it.

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
No.

But...

I have welcomed every knife in my back.
Every step on my skull...

For others to get to the top.

From XPICS to Sincity to present since 1996.

I am afraid that supporting this industry is a piss in the wind with all considerations and all due respect.

if you give to get something back you're not really giving are you?

karma tends to fix that - and your attitude is utter proof of that.

Zprogramz · 09-23-2004, 10:44 PM

Colin from Wasteland, Mitch from Netbilling and Terry from Jettis, and Ynot Bob should surely be added to the list.

Z

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
if you give to get something back you're not really giving are you?

karma tends to fix that - and your attitude is utter proof of that.

You know little about me...

So many times have I been promised the stars...
Only to get stabed in the back.

Take it for what ya will...

I know how your biz operates Sleazy and its good. I know how the traffic works to, having a complete understanding of this industry is not easy to take.

Its not about contributing to the industry. Its about making money.

I got the money making down pat now, I can give two fucks these days about Poparazi.

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
You know little about me...

So many times have I been promised the stars...
Only to get stabed in the back.

Take it for what ya will...

I know how your biz operates Sleazy and its good. I know how the traffic works to, having a complete understanding of this industry is not easy to take.

Its not about contributing to the industry. Its about making money.

i feel sorry for you.

when i sponser somthing - i don't expect any future business or anything at all. It's a thank you for business already done with no expectation of anything further, ever. That's how i run my life.

I feel sorry for those that spend EXPECTING to get something back.

Tala · 09-23-2004, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ

I got the money making down pat now, I can give two fucks these days about Poparazi.

Okay, then I'm functioning backwards. I do very well with people but couldn't make a buck if I had a printing press.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i feel sorry for you.

when i sponser somthing - i don't expect any future business or anything at all. It's a thank you for business already done with no expectation of anything further, ever. That's how i run my life.

I feel sorry for those that spend EXPECTING to get something back.

I not spent a dime nor givin a dime till you think about the time spent in information providing and research for companies.

Where did I say I expect anything in return?
Don't step on yourself bro and be to proud in spending and not expecting in this biz.

Its the nature of the biz.

Money is respect.
Thats it, nothing more. Why do you think you have so many ass kisser's?

mary34d · 09-23-2004, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by Tala
Okay, then I'm functioning backwards. I do very well with people but couldn't make a buck if I had a printing press.

great quote. i'm going to use that one.

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
I not spent a dime nor givin a dime till you think about the time spent in information providing and research for companies.

Where did I say I expect anything in return?
Don't step on yourself bro and be to proud in spending and not expecting in this biz.

Its the nature of the biz.

Money is respect.
Thats it, nothing more. Why do you think you have so many ass kisser's?

i feel sorry for you - i truly do.

there's a difference between ass kissers and friends.
big difference

Tala · 09-23-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by mary34d
great quote. i'm going to use that one.

Cheers.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by Tala
Okay, then I'm functioning backwards. I do very well with people but couldn't make a buck if I had a printing press.

You do well because your being taken advantage of.

You would print things for a loss in hopes of a return and graciousness of others. It does not work that way here.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i feel sorry for you - i truly do.

there's a difference between ass kissers and friends.
big difference

Really???
Help me identify which is which?

I not seen hardly anyone kiss up to someone that does not have somthing for them in return.

Where are all the good people you can call friends?
Edicts in this biz is not friends but business relationships.

martyVP · 09-23-2004, 10:59 PM

WegCory, he is a bud!!

mary34d · 09-23-2004, 11:01 PM

this thread took a bad turn....

okay back to the original topic:

Who is getting an VIP players card?

And what's the list order? juicy, kb, ......

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by mary34d
this thread took a bad turn....

okay back to the original topic:

Who is getting an VIP players card?

And what's the list order? juicy, kb, ......

Not me.

Count me out...

I was told personally that I am not in.
Am I little pised? Yeah I am actually.

Tala · 09-23-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
You do well because your being taken advantage of.

You would print things for a loss in hopes of a return and graciousness of others. It does not work that way here.

Wow.

I wonder suddenly about you.

I don't feel that I'm being taken advantage of in any way whatsoever.

There are some things that are more important to me than money. Friendship, trust and respect are three of them. There are people in this business that I respect, those that I trust, and those I can call friends. Occasionally, I'm lucky enough to be able to apply all three to someone. In that rare instance, I hold them very close and lovingly, because they are a treasure that no money can buy.

Personally, I don't care "how it works here." I know how it works HERE, and that's what matters to me. I may not be rich, but I am successful, guaranteed.

mary34d · 09-23-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
Not me.

Count me out...

I was told personally that I am not in.

haha if i actually took to heart what everyone on the boards said about me.....i'd be a very miserable individual.

adamneve · 09-23-2004, 11:05 PM

this Players Ball is going to ruleeeeeeeeeeee

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 11:06 PM

Well Tala for 16480 Posts I would think the industry should give ya some resoect as well and that you would know that people that ya think are "Friends" in this biz will turn you out for a fucken dime!

I am insulted here and done with this thread.
After years of Moral support of the Players Ball for YEARS now I mean YEaRS!

Fuck you D-money ya said it all on ICQ.
Have a good show.

D-Money · 09-23-2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by pimpporn
I run the program with PimpPorn.com

Check this out player (its old school 1999)PimpPorn Flash Movie

Can I get a pass? I also be pimpin in real life

That Pimpporn movie tour killed me!!!

Dude, let's make a paysite for the Players Ball!!!

I've been dying to do one, and you've got a good thing going. Funny shit, pimp shit.

D-Money · 09-23-2004, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
Well Tala for 16480 Posts I would think the industry should give ya some resoect as well and that you would know that people that ya think are "Friends" in this biz will turn you out for a fucken dime!

I am insulted here and done with this thread.
After years of Moral support of the Players Ball for YEARS now I mean YEaRS!

Fuck you D-money ya said it all on ICQ.
Have a good show.

what?

I think you have a misunderstanding for sure. Was wondering why you didn't hit me back on icq.

First of all, I have always loved and respected you Alien. There are lot's of people I love and respect. The poster on the top 30 people no tto be fucked with is different then who's a VIP and who's allowed inside.

I never said anything about you not being welcome, in any way shape or form. How did this get twisted? No one has invites from me yet, beside maybe a handful of people I made posts to saying I'd give them a pass. This doesn't mean my guest list is already pre-set. And to make a poster of the 30 people you definitely wouldn't fuck with at the door has nothing to do with my personal relationships with people. It's about the "entertainment aspect" of making a sign with what most people will say the most important people are, not who I think they are (not 100% at least, it's just fun to think about without getting too political).

So in summary, I have a ton of people I like and would love to put in this poster, I just didn't commit to saying you'd for sure be one of them as I didn't rule you out either.

Am I making sense or babbling?

Tala · 09-23-2004, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
Well Tala for 16480 Posts I would think the industry should give ya some resoect as well and that you would know that people that ya think are "Friends" in this biz will turn you out for a fucken dime!

Thank you for being concerned about my welfare.

I've seen some of the nasty. I've been, (sadly), involved in a bit of it, though not by my desire to be. *sigh*

However, thus far the good times have far exceeded the bad. Why the hell else would I still be here after 14682 posts? It's not like I don't have other stuff to do. It's because I enjoy interacting with others, (the majority of the time).

Now if I led you to believe that I call everyone a friend or that I trust everyone I meet, then I'm sorry. That's far from the truth.

Those I call friends are VERY few. And should one of them turn me out for a dime, then I will have learned from the experience. I will have learned a lesson that tells me I cannot trust that person, cannot respect that person, and certainly don't want to be a friend any longer. It's called "life" and I live it like there's no tomorrow.

So what if I end up paying some stupid tax? I don't think it's worth shutting everyone out over. I can't just sit here at my monitor or go to the shows and snub everyone out of fear. I can't see myself being afraid to trust because someone might make a dime off of me without my wanting it.

I don't understand how anyone could live like that. I'm not saying that you do, but it blows my mind that people can put money first.

I'm sorry if you've been hurt and jerked about. But that's not something that I've done. And I can only hope that you don't let the sting of insult or pain of betrayal keep you from stepping back out and starting over.

Money rich is nice. I sure the hell wouldn't cry over it. But I think that if this is what's called being taken advantage of, then I'll be glad to be taken advantage of. Eventually the shitbags weed themselves out and I'm left with people who are worth my trust and respect and friendship.

Take care.

V_RocKs · 09-23-2004, 11:20 PM

This is probably a stupid question and I should probably signup as a new nick to ask it but... Have the passes for the event already been given out? I meen the ones you buy? Seems a bit early but the website for this event is like a blind man in a maze of boobs...

D-Money · 09-23-2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by V_RocKs
This is probably a stupid question and I should probably signup as a new nick to ask it but... Have the passes for the event already been given out? I meen the ones you buy? Seems a bit early but the website for this event is like a blind man in a maze of boobs...

Glad you asked.

No one has passes yet or created lists.

The sponsorships are still being sold, those that have these packages can give tickets to their guests.

I only have a few to give, the main sponsors have the most.

TheGoldenChild · 09-23-2004, 11:25 PM

Don't forget TOSON and Porn Daddy.

seeric · 09-23-2004, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money
I'm going to give you the spotlight by thanking you for your Players Ball performance in the past.

For those who don't know, Airek is the only other webmaster DJ we had.

LOL, thanks D. I was be fecicious is that right (fi-cec-ious) LOL

i am driven. one day, pimp of the year.

in training.

thanks.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-23-2004, 11:37 PM

Fucken beer...

Dmoney I am sorry I am just moody tonight.
Your a great guy, I known ya for years I goto put my ego on the shelf for a few minutes and think about the show your doing this year.

It does stand to be one of the greatest bro!

Seriously I am very sorry for gettin all stupid here.

I am an artist...

What do ya expect

No love lost I truly apologise.

V_RocKs · 09-23-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by D-Money
Glad you asked.

No one has passes yet or created lists.

The sponsorships are still being sold, those that have these packages can give tickets to their guests.

I only have a few to give, the main sponsors have the most.

I noticed that there were $1500 sponsorships and that there were $100 sponsorships (basically buying a pass) to the last events... Can't you go in and scrub the fucking website and say what you meen because that thing still is talking about something in June or July 2004 and how one in Florida is going to be off the chain... The past dates don't mention the one in June or July, which ever it was, so it didn't happen or sucked so bad? At times it seems it was the 5th anual and then it seemed like it was talking about #12 or something of that nature... Your website sucks, but the pics were cool. Gotta give props to anyone who can get Snoop and other big name acts there.

V_RocKs · 09-23-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by A1R3K
LOL, thanks D. I was be fecicious is that right (fi-cec-ious) LOL

i am driven. one day, pimp of the year.

in training.

thanks.

Where is my Video Pass thing by-the-way?

V_RocKs · 09-23-2004, 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
Fucken beer...

Dmoney I am sorry I am just moody tonight.
Your a great guy, I known ya for years I goto put my ego on the shelf for a few minutes and think about the show your doing this year.

It does stand to be one of the greatest bro!

Seriously I am very sorry for gettin all stupid here.

I am an artist...

What do ya expect

Sounds like a decent description of just about every artist I've ever known...

RawAlex · 09-23-2004, 11:43 PM

IMHO, nobody should get fucked with at the door. Try to figure out how not to hassle the masses too.

You can put me on the list if you like :-)

Alex

D-Money · 09-23-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by V_RocKs
I noticed that there were $1500 sponsorships and that there were $100 sponsorships (basically buying a pass) to the last events... Can't you go in and scrub the fucking website and say what you meen because that thing still is talking about something in June or July 2004 and how one in Florida is going to be off the chain... The past dates don't mention the one in June or July, which ever it was, so it didn't happen or sucked so bad? At times it seems it was the 5th anual and then it seemed like it was talking about #12 or something of that nature... Your website sucks, but the pics were cool. Gotta give props to anyone who can get Snoop and other big name acts there.

Things are developing so fast with the production side of things, I didn't have the time to get a redesign yet and list current details on the site. When I tried to modify it last time, I broke something on the site. So tonight I have King Adam making changes and updates as we speak.

I'd rather take care of the Snoop caliber artists and lock it in with main sponsors first, then update the site and stuff.

I kind of enjoy keeping people guessing on the website, makes it more industry exclusive that way, you'd have to be in the know in industry chat boards to know what is going on. I get lot's of mainstream lurkers out there trying to B.S. me into passes or waste my time pretending they're gonna buy a pass. So right now, the people who hit me up for sponsorships are the ones reading my posts.

But for the sponsors sake, it's going to be updated by tomorrow with correct updated info.

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09-23-2004, 10:04 PM	#158
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	How about VIP for previous PB sponsors who launched their porn empires with the help of D-Money and the Players Ball? I can think of one in particular --- PB was my first big sponsored party, back when I was still "Steve Who?" --- lol Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

09-23-2004, 10:06 PM	#160
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	lightspeed is DEF a HUGE supporter of this industry - and should be in the top 10 for that reason alone besides the fact that his stuff rocks. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-23-2004, 10:25 PM	#161
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	I run the program with PimpPorn.com Check this out player (its old school 1999)PimpPorn Flash Movie Can I get a pass? I also be pimpin in real life Last edited by xNetworx; 09-23-2004 at 10:26 PM..

09-23-2004, 10:44 PM	#171
Zprogramz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,360	Colin from Wasteland, Mitch from Netbilling and Terry from Jettis, and Ynot Bob should surely be added to the list. Z Last edited by Zprogramz; 09-23-2004 at 10:46 PM..

09-23-2004, 09:39 PM	#155
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	<---------almost was a player. maybe one day. gotta work harder.

09-23-2004, 10:33 PM	#168
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	For clarification I don't think I'm V.I.P. I just want some free passes for helping to keep the pimp theme alive!

09-23-2004, 10:59 PM	#181
martyVP Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,917	WegCory, he is a bud!!

09-23-2004, 11:01 PM	#182
mary34d Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern Cuba Posts: 3,358	this thread took a bad turn.... okay back to the original topic: Who is getting an VIP players card? And what's the list order? juicy, kb, ...... __________________ The guys at CJ Bucks will do absolutely anything to get your business. You owe it to yourself to at least ask! Free Hosting, Content, etc. CJ Bucks has it all. Sign up! I'll show you my tits now you show me your traffic.

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adamneve LIVING LA VITA LOCA Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Internet Posts: 13,324	this Players Ball is going to ruleeeeeeeeeeee __________________ MetArtMoney.com - #1 Nude Affiliate Program MetArt CCbill Affiliate Tools 4K, HD, UP TO 50 MEGAPIXEL Mobile & Tablet Support Daily Updates HTML5 Tools skype: adamneve8 ICQ# 174167541 AIM: adineve YahooM: adineve

09-23-2004, 11:06 PM	#187
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Well Tala for 16480 Posts I would think the industry should give ya some resoect as well and that you would know that people that ya think are "Friends" in this biz will turn you out for a fucken dime! I am insulted here and done with this thread. After years of Moral support of the Players Ball for YEARS now I mean YEaRS! Fuck you D-money ya said it all on ICQ. Have a good show. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 09-23-2004 at 11:07 PM..

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,413	This is probably a stupid question and I should probably signup as a new nick to ask it but... Have the passes for the event already been given out? I meen the ones you buy? Seems a bit early but the website for this event is like a blind man in a maze of boobs...

09-23-2004, 11:25 PM	#193
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09-23-2004, 11:37 PM	#195
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Fucken beer... Dmoney I am sorry I am just moody tonight. Your a great guy, I known ya for years I goto put my ego on the shelf for a few minutes and think about the show your doing this year. It does stand to be one of the greatest bro! Seriously I am very sorry for gettin all stupid here. I am an artist... What do ya expect No love lost I truly apologise. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 09-23-2004 at 11:40 PM..

09-23-2004, 11:43 PM	#199
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	IMHO, nobody should get fucked with at the door. Try to figure out how not to hassle the masses too. You can put me on the list if you like :-) Alex