Should TORTURING Terrorists be okay? - GoFuckYourself.com

webmaster x · 10-07-2004, 03:40 AM

Since the danger wrought by terrorism can be quite cataclysmic does it stand to reason that 'normal standards' regarding interrogation be disregarded?

Is the probability of a false confession greatly outweighed by the heavy risk terrorism carries?

If you answer yes, don't you agree that an injustice to one is an injustice to all? Or should we be more flexible in how we think?

uchase/webpry · 10-07-2004, 03:40 AM

absolutly.

I also say it should be legal to publicly torture lying presidents.

webmaster x · 10-07-2004, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by uchase/webpry
absolutly.

Elaborate please

uchase/webpry · 10-07-2004, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by webmaster x
Elaborate please

... me german, only little speaking english.

reynold · 10-07-2004, 03:43 AM

why we don't let the justice prevail...

webmaster x · 10-07-2004, 03:54 AM

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Originally posted by reynold
why we don't let the justice prevail...

Wouldn't the justice system be one of the first things terrorists would want to get rid of?

Tipsy · 10-07-2004, 03:58 AM

I'm curious now - this would make you any better than the terrorists how? Simply because you're American?

jade_dragon · 10-07-2004, 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by webmaster x
Wouldn't the justice system be one of the first things terrorists would want to get rid of?

Terrorist does not = anarchist, even chaos has rules. Perhaps they would ger rid of our justice system. Theirs seems to be much more direct than ours, more an eye for an eye.

webmaster x · 10-07-2004, 04:06 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
I'm curious now - this would make you any better than the terrorists how? Simply because you're American?

No one said anything about America. Read my first post and the questions again.... please

Tipsy · 10-07-2004, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by webmaster x
No one said anything about America. Read my first post and the questions again.... please

I read your first post and my question stands. Nobody in the west other than the US has a big enough problem with it at the moment or the attitude needed to even consider this an option. 99% of positive replies will be from US people. Not to worry though. You answered my question anyway.

Fuck - people trolling for sig views really aren't that talented any more.

Ross · 10-07-2004, 04:19 AM

Basic_man · 10-07-2004, 04:20 AM

You can even kill them !

Danny_C · 10-07-2004, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
Terrorist does not = anarchist, even chaos has rules. Perhaps they would ger rid of our justice system. Theirs seems to be much more direct than ours, more an eye for an eye.

Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be comparing anarchism to chaos. Anarchist is another word for socialist libertarian. Noam Chomsky is an anarchist, but he's hardly calling for chaos. He simply wants to drastically reduce centralized power, both financially and socially, and both by goverrnment and big business.

jacked · 10-07-2004, 07:03 AM

treat others as you'd like to be treated, we torturted there people in abu grab so now they're cutting off our soldiers heads

extreme_spaz · 10-07-2004, 07:03 AM

I'm an American, but I would disagree respectfully with anyone that says we should torture terrorist. Not because of some lofty moral reason, but just because i doudt it would have the desired effect and it would just provide them more recruitment power.

spaz

alexg · 10-07-2004, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
I'm curious now - this would make you any better than the terrorists how? Simply because you're American?

NO

This would make you better then the terrorists because you don't aim at killing innocent civilians

Libertine · 10-07-2004, 07:11 AM

I find it funny how many people want to fight those trying to take away western civil rights and freedom by taking away civil rights and freedom.

DavidVH · 10-07-2004, 07:16 AM

Rinaldo · 10-07-2004, 07:17 AM

Indeed it should be... but it's going on as we're typing in this thread... doesn't matter what you say it will happen anyways

Fake Nick · 10-07-2004, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by alexg
NO

This would make you better then the terrorists because you don't aim at killing innocent civilians

how do you know a terror suspect is indeed a terrorist ? if you start torturing a suspect , he is just that a suspect

torture is wrong , you cannot claim to be CIVILISED and do this ,

dready · 10-07-2004, 07:29 AM

You should be able to torture anyone... Boss doesn't pay you on time.. get out the bamboo shoots! Kid steals a candy bar... electric shock! He won't do it again!

alexg · 10-07-2004, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
how do you know a terror suspect is indeed a terrorist ?

that's what intelligence is for

Wiggles · 10-07-2004, 07:32 AM

I give it an okay, now its legal ;)

Goatse · 10-07-2004, 10:15 AM

Terrorists, military people working for corrupt regimes, and leaders of corrupt regimes, should NOT be tortured -- the should be killed humanly, either with a bullet in the head, leathal injection, or Zyklon B gassing.

dready · 10-07-2004, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Goatse
Terrorists, military people working for corrupt regimes, and leaders of corrupt regimes, should NOT be tortured -- the should be killed humanly, either with a bullet in the head, leathal injection, or Zyklon B gassing.

Yep, killing will solve all the world's problems.... nukes actually could work well for this.

BuckLover · 10-07-2004, 11:43 AM

Rich · 10-07-2004, 11:46 AM

Well, if you remember no one really complained when they were only torturing people at Gitmo and in Afghanistan, because even though most of them probably aren't terrorists, some are. Everyone turned a blind eye.

It's when they started torturing farmers, women and children in an county that did absolutely nothing that they crossed the line in most people's eyes.

DrThorsen · 10-07-2004, 11:57 AM

Information derived from torture methods tends to be less reliable than from other coercive methods. If you are skinning someone alive, they will tell you anything to get you to stop.

The issue for the US in Iraq, is as Spaz said, the war in the middle east is one for "hearts and minds". What the war effort there has effectively failed at is claiming any kind of moral high ground needed to have a lasting positive effect.

$5 submissions · 10-07-2004, 07:12 PM

Asides from the reliability/accuracy issue raised correctly by DrThorsen above, there's serious issues with using torture on a legal basis. The main reason we adhere to a system of LAW is that we realize that a reliance on sheer MIGHT can easily be perverted and twisted to the machinations of one man or a small group. Imperfect as the strictures against compelled self-incrimination...it is right.

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Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Well, if you remember no one really complained when they were only torturing people at Gitmo and in Afghanistan, because even though most of them probably aren't terrorists, some are. Everyone turned a blind eye. It's when they started torturing farmers, women and children in an county that did absolutely nothing that they crossed the line in most people's eyes.

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DrThorsen Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 75	Information derived from torture methods tends to be less reliable than from other coercive methods. If you are skinning someone alive, they will tell you anything to get you to stop. The issue for the US in Iraq, is as Spaz said, the war in the middle east is one for "hearts and minds". What the war effort there has effectively failed at is claiming any kind of moral high ground needed to have a lasting positive effect. __________________

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$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Asides from the reliability/accuracy issue raised correctly by DrThorsen above, there's serious issues with using torture on a legal basis. The main reason we adhere to a system of LAW is that we realize that a reliance on sheer MIGHT can easily be perverted and twisted to the machinations of one man or a small group. Imperfect as the strictures against compelled self-incrimination...it is right. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants