gkk

Since I'm in Japan, I have a Japanese IP address. Recently, I've noticed more and more free hosts redirecting me to catch-all sponsors such as dialers etc. rather than showing me the actual page at the URL I am visiting.

While this may well be fair (after all, their service IS free) I figured this is something that those of you in the US/Canada would never even know about.

Here are some example URLs. Please post if you see galleries at any of them, because I took them off a recent TGP listing but I only get ads and 404 redirects!
http://www3.pimpserver.com/www3/jpura/j10/see.html http://www2.playerdome.net/www2/hard/u14/prev.html http://www2.maxismut.com/www2/bin07/bird1401.htm
http://dojo.asian-space.com/fapics/g...sian135444.gal http://extreme.hardcore-space.com/xp...sian128875.gal

Warning - some of the above links tried to auto-feed me dialers!

[This message has been edited by gkk (edited 08-14-2001).]

wiZd0m

You know, maybe you should put english text, that would help it. It's clearly written in theirt terms that they want english websites

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Theo

many webmasters have the feeling that japanish traffic doesnt convert at all on CC sponsors that's why they send the traffic in dialers.

tip: If you have a good connection you can use an american or european proxy

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gkk

Here's another URL that take me directly to ads:-
http://www3a.sexcropolis.com/asian/s...im/nude08.html

And here are some URLs that work (i.e. looks like the free hosts in question don't filter):-
http://www.lightningfree.com/8/cccr/010/asian.html http://www.freehostzone.com/~asian/a443/asianx.html http://www.thundersex.com/personal7/...9/index04.html http://asian.adultfreespace.com/avbu...9/kogal59.html http://www.pornhome.com/asian/asians4you/3/index4.html http://creampuff-park.porncity.net/242/push/index0.html http://www10.smutserver.com/asian/jp.../2/html/j.html

gkk

I think you're missing the main point of my post, which is this:

*AS FAR AS I CAN TELL* the hosting companies are redirecting traffic without the knowledge of the webmasters building the galleries on their servers.

Example: Webmaster A builds a gallery on e.g. Sexcropolis.com and submits it all over the place. Unbeknown to him/her, foreign traffic from "undesirable" countries is seamlessly fed *by the hosting company* to various dialer and other programs.

I thought I'd uncovered something pretty eye-opening... but maybe not!

wiZd0m

Look, why do you break the terms by putting foreign language on their pages?

By the way, ThunserSex is a terra.ex ripoff. So it does not count.

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gkk

You're still totally misunderstanding me!

I am *VISITING* galleries made by other people. NONE of these galleries are mine.

The links were on a TGP site.

I found it interesting that some free webhosts redirect me AUTOMATICALLY to full page dialer and popup hell ads, without showing me the gallery page.

I *thought* that some webmasters might want to know that they are not getting to keep 100% of traffic that they are driving to their galleries.

By the way (off-topic-ish) I can't even write Japanese so I couldn't make a foreign language page if I wanted to

wiZd0m

I did not know they were not yours.

By the way, tell me what you see here, http://www.thunderfree.com/Lesbians/...8/lesbo18.html
I took the gallery off from thehun.net

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gkk

I see a page with some (fairly ugly ) lesbians.

In other words, that host is not filtering/skimming off traffic.

ldinternet

Upon first impression, it seems quite devious, but... although that traffic sent to a sponsor may want to signup, the sponsor will not give the webmaster any credit for Japanese traffic. For example, check out the CEN Cash join forms... Japan brings up the dialer, which the webmaster would not get credit for. If the sponsor is Smart Bucks Plus, CyberErotica or someone else that gives credit for dialers... then yes, it is pretty important.

wiZd0m

What do you mean fairly ugly, lol, this is hustler girls gkk, lol

So you have a japan IP right?

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kodek

Wizdom, I understand your point as a freehoster but reading the whole message would help

gkk

Wow, I never even realised that certain sponsors don't give credit for attempted foreign signups. Thank goodness I'm now filtering my traffic by language!

Anyway, it would be great if others around the world could help flesh out this list. Seems that free hosts fall into 2 categories: those that skim foreign traffic, and those that don't.

If 2 free hosts are otherwise pretty much equal, I'd choose the non-skimming one every time - but that's just me!

kodek

I'm sure there are much more tricks on a free hosts side to grab some traffic. One day I found that famous "unlimited space" freehost was deleting random directories and jpg/htm files. All that resulting by 404 pages. Jpg/htm is much harder to catch cause you rarely browse through past galleries.

wiZd0m

Kodek, what happens is that alot of free host allow FFA (Full FTP Access) and they have a file size limit. Take one like mine for instance, which is 60k. Lets say you upload a 200k file, FFA will alow you to, but then every now and then, we have a script deleting the files that don't respect the terms of service. This is why somethimes files are missing on galleries.

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dynamite

GKK, thanks for the info! Gallery builders should avoid all freehosts who redirect foreign traffic. This can be tested with proxies, but I can't find any good proxy list right now... I think we need some fast proxies from .jp and other countries aswell.

candidpublishinginc

Gkk,

Is it true that CEN requires Japanese traffic to goto a dialer?

Can you verify this?

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gkk

Well, short of signing up I can't see the payment mechanism, but on Roger Celeb (site picked at random) the pay URL takes me to this page:-
http://www.rogerceleb.com/join.phtml...=TG&wm_refurl=

Doesn't talk about credit cards, but maybe that's on a later screen. On the other hand if you are in the US and see a credit card screen immediately, you'll at least know that it's *different*!

tovsky

I belive it clearly states in the rules of most of these free hosts

"RULES:
1. No Child porn or other illegal content, we will report you to the FBI.
2. No SPAMING, if we catch you spaming your site via email, icq, Usenet ect. we will terminate your account and report you.
3. No Bestiality content if we see any pics with animals we will shut down your site.
4. If your site so much as say's "Illegal" on it then it will be deleted even if it doesn't have no illegal content on it.
5. You may only use legal content that you own all models must be over 18 years of age.
6. You may not submit your site to traffic sources that promote or condone illegal material we will suspend your account if you do so.
7. You may not attempt to remove our banners from your site if we catch you we will delete your account.
8. You may not upload images or html that's over 80k those files will be deleted automatically from our server.
9. No movie files such as avi, mpg, mov ect.. can be uploaded to our server. Same thing goes for all mp3, wav, rm music files.
10. You may not use frames on our server as they are not supported by our software.
11. We no longer permit sites that are not in one of the following languages: English, French, German, Italian, Russian or Spanish

Notice the last one it clearly states, that they do not allow sites that are not in one of the following languages: English, French, German, Italian, Russian or Spanish.

gkk

Why does this thread come around AGAIN and AGAIN to the foreign language issue?

The fact that I am surfing FROM Japan doesn't mean that the pages I am LOOKING AT are in Japanese.

If the free hosts in question had deleted Japanese pages, then this would be relevant.

As it is, they are "hiding" English-language pages from non-English-language countries - which is NOT covered by their terms and conditions as far as I can see.

Can we please not confuse the issue with this "pages in a foreign language" nonsense, because it doesn't even have a passing relevance to what I'm trying to investigate.

Just in case, I'll spell it out one last time:-

SCENARIO A:
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Situation: English-language gallery hosted on free host that doesn't skim foreign traffic

US surfer sees: the gallery

Japanese (as in "person with a Japanese IP address") sees: the SAME gallery

Happiness factor: 100%


SCENARIO B:
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Situation: English-language gallery hosted on free host that skims foreign traffic

US surfer sees: the gallery

Japanese (as in "person with a Japanese IP address") sees: a dialer, popup hell or other advertising page

Happiness factor: 50%

Let me add one more thing: this is all done based on IP address as I use a pure English-language version of Windows 98 Second Edition for browsing (purchased from the UK so *identical* to the version you may be using)

I hope this finally sheds enough illumination that we can get back to the main point of this thread!

boneprone

gkk, this is an intresting post.

please icq me..

66883099

The family would like to speak with you.
Lets get to know ya.

Crutch

gkk, interesting stuff. Is it possible to get a list going on which free host does this? That would help.

I'm going to email some friends to do the same thing.

But see, then again, freehosts are excepted to cheat here and there. Just the way it is. Some thumbs will go to pics one second, then to an ad page the next (and no, it's not the gallery cheating) They all do it. Just some are worst then others.

But the Japanese thing is worth looking into though.

gkk

Sorry, I don't have ICQ - it seems to interact very unhappily with the various firewall/virus scan and other software I have constantly running...

Here's the start of the list (from my URL posts above). I am glad to have highlighted the problem, but I don't really have the time to do a really in-depth study, so I hope somebody else can help by taking this ball and running with it.

THE SKIMMING LIST (OR "WHY THE HECK DON'T FOREIGNERS HAVE CREDIT CARDS ANYWAY?!")

FREE HOSTS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY MAY BE "SKIMMING" FOREIGN IP TRAFFIC:-
pimpserver.com
playerdome.net
maxismut.com
asian-space.com
hardcore-space
sexcropolis.com

FREE HOSTS THAT ARE SEEMINGLY NOT "SKIMMING" FOREIGN IP TRAFFIC:-
lightningfree.com
freehostzone.com
thundersex.com
adultfreespace.com
pornhome.com
porncity.net
smutserver.com
thunderfree.com
stynk.com (used them to build a gallery the other day, and could see my own gallery )
xxxsexnow.com

NOTE: I think we need second/third opinions before any "SKIMMING" can be proven! This is only based on quick observation from ONE country...

Ok, now over to you all!

[This message has been edited by gkk (edited 08-15-2001).]

boneprone

next project..
Start clicking on sponsor links, and tell us which ones forward to dialers.
Then post the info.


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aaspoon

gkk, can you see this page?http://spyder.xxxsexnow.com/na05/a2.html
i want to know if this host redirect JP traffic

thanks

gkk

Yes, I saw a young Japanese lady in the all-together

So no worries there!

aaspoon

thanks... GKK

that is where i put my asian gallery, if it redirect JP traffic then there is no point making asian gallery there.

thanks again

--Chojin--

I am from Germany and have a website at xxxhome.com. The url is http://ariagiovanni.xxxhome.com and i can't see the site. I'm redirected to a Cybererotica Dialer page. Two weeks ago i had no problems, but since then i can't access any site hosted on xxxhome. By the way the site is/was in english. Now there is only a "under construction" message. Can someone test my site?

[This message has been edited by --Chojin-- (edited 08-15-2001).]

[This message has been edited by --Chojin-- (edited 08-15-2001).]

Jer

Hello, I'm from Brazil and I can visit (and view the content) these URLs gkk can't. But I know for a fact that some freehosts are/were redirecting Brazilian traffic too.
Porn-City was, don't know if they still are. I'm not talking about "Brazilian sites written in portuguese", but to english sites or galleries like gkk said that we can't view because there is a redirect to a pop-up hell, search engine with paid listings or dialer.

Jer

Chojin, I can't even connect to your site (can't find the server or DNS error).

--Chojin--

Well, i can see all of gkk sites except http://extreme.hardcore-space.com and all on xxxhome.com - I never heard before that german traffic would be redirected. Interesting...

ldinternet

Tip: Don't use XXX Home.
http://www.sexae.com/freehostripoff.htm

[This message has been edited by ldinternet (edited 08-15-2001).]

Kimmykim

"I *thought* that some webmasters might want to know that they are not getting to keep 100% of traffic that they are driving to their galleries."
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Dude get a grip here. Just because they call it freehosting doesn't mean that it's free.

Since freehosts take the header and footer -- oh wait those are the prime ad locations -- on every page they host, why anyone would think they are getting 100% of the traffic that hits their galleries is so far beyond me as to be incomprehensible.

You guys -- no one specific here -- rant about how the freehost fucks you this way, the freehost fucks you that way -- well, I'd just like to know who's going to pay your bandwidth bill for hun listings and stuff like that if the freehosts closed down tomorrow???

This is a business, and as someone said on another board where this same thread was posted -- and if you can't afford hosting, maybe you shouldn't be in business.

Chris R

I have no problem with it - the problem iis THEY are not letting you know. Don't you think people have the right to know?

Cybererotica started redirecting all foriegn traffic to dialers and didn't tell anyone until someone posted it on the boards. Same with WebTV traffic.

I have no problem with hosts making money, or redirecting traffic, but it should be disclosed. Come to think of it - don't billing companies decline cards based on the countries they come from? Don't you think it would be fair to tell webmasters which ones these are?

Why bother sending this traffic to a sponsor if it is known it will be declined or redirected. I send almost all my foreign traffic to my PPC listings to a dialer and all my WebTV traffic to a different sponsor.

This is probably overkill, but I just hate sending traffic to places where they are possibly going to ignore it.

Webmasters have a right to know.

Kimmykim

chris --

My post is specifically about freehosts -- NOTHING to do with sponsors -- in the case of a sponsor, yes they should let you know if they are going to redirect your traffic WITHOUT credit for it -- that way you can redirect it yourself to someone that will credit you.

shunga

You won't find "we redirect traffic from the following countries" in a freehosts rules, but maybe you should. That would save a lot of time, and a lot of complaining. But redirection has been happening for a long time, by country and just on a random basis. Why not let webmasters know beforehand?

harvey

No, it's not, just a smart ass from Israel who makes pages look like they're from Terra. I don't know why, but I can see a mass redirecting on the near future, so be warned all TGP, TGP2 and LL webmasters. If in doubt, try to sign for an account at that domain

Organization:
John
John Smith
Victory st. 123
Tel Aviv, 14321
IL
Phone: 633663377458
Email: [email protected]

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: THUNDERSEX.COM

Created on..............: Thu, Jul 05, 2001
Expires on..............: Fri, Jul 05, 2002
Record last updated on..: Mon, Jul 30, 2001

Administrative Contact:
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Victory st. 123
Tel Aviv, 14321
IL
Phone: 633663377458
Email: [email protected]

Technical Contact:
John
John Smith
Victory st. 123
Tel Aviv, 14321
IL
Phone: 633663377458
Email: [email protected]

Zone Contact:
John
John Smith
Victory st. 123
Tel Aviv, 14321
IL
Phone: 633663377458
Email: [email protected]

Domain servers in listed order:

DNS39.REGISTER.COM 216.21.234.90
DNS40.REGISTER.COM 216.21.226.90

Do you really think that the owner of the biggest network, and Lycos, and Tripod, and The Globe, and Deutsche Telekomm and Telefonica de España and... (too long) needs to sign like an individual in Israel? Think twice

Peace

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gkk

KimmyKim, you write...

Dude get a grip here. Just because they call it freehosting doesn't mean that it's free.

Since freehosts take the header and footer -- oh wait those are the prime ad locations -- on every page they host, why anyone would think they are getting 100% of the traffic that hits their galleries is so far beyond me as to be incomprehensible.

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My original point was that SOME hosts redirect, SOME don't redirect. So therefore ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL (header size, footer size, etc.) people MAY want to make an INFORMED decision and choose a host that doesn't skim foreign traffic.

To draw an extended metaphor, it's like trying to win a race using a rental car. Sure, you may not know whether the car you choose will be in top condition since you don't know how much the previous users threw it around the bends... but you sure as anything wouldn't choose the car with a wheel missing!

All I am trying to do is to help people make informed decisions. They can still work with any host they like, but with their eyes open.

ezekiel

Thanks for the heads up GKK, It would be nice if freehost's would include this info in their TOS.

Kimmy, yes it is to be expected that a freehost has it's bag of tricks... but it should be out in the open. It is a business and we are scratching each other?s backs here. If all freehost's closed down tomorrow many people would be fucked, and if everyone stopped using free hosts the whole industry would be fucked. Not many people have the $$$ to start out with their own hosting and most never will.

but to condone these kinds of things is just like supporting cheating. Right?

If honest gallery builders are not cheating a freehost and getting them all sorts of traffic, why should they be cheated by the freehost unknowingly?

Kat - Fast

i get 'Under Construction' with a pop-up on entry and exit with this link in it http://in.cybererotica.com/cgi-bin/f.../122/2121361/X

wiZd0m

Harvey, look
http://www.thundersex.com
http://www.terra.es

Now tell me what you think

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Now loook here
http://www.thundersex.com/personal6/...eries/h0808fh/
http://www.terra.es/personal6/paweln...eries/h0808fh/

it's just a dns hack* you know, so it's a real rip off like I mention easlier.

* geek way of saying trick

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Kimmykim

Once again, nothing is free. Learn this and prosper.

Kimmykim

Ooops I missed this part --

"If all freehost's closed down tomorrow many people would be fucked, and if everyone stopped using free hosts the whole industry would be fucked."

I'll bet you whats in your pocket that is wrong.

As for those that don't have the money to pay 15 bucks a month for hosting?? They shouldnt try to run a business -- they only get taken advantage of by all the "free" shit that gets them started.

Rivux

Kim - So are you saying that it is right that freehosts redirect foreign traffic? Either way this discussion isnt about whether it is right or not. But which ones are doing it, so the consumer can make an informed decision.
Good job gkk on bring this to our attention.

ezekiel

Your right nothing is free... but whats your point? That still dosn't change the fact that people should be informed of this practice. Am I wrong?

As for hosting yourself, I've never paid $15 a month for hosting... try a few hundred at least. People shouldn't start in this business with no $$$?? Where would all the paysites get their affiliates?

and oh yeah, if you did win that bet you wouldn't get much... cause I'm not wearing any pants

The Hun

Thanks for the heads up. The hosts you mentioned now are in a safe spot on my blacklist

Chris R

Now for WebTv Skimming:
http://extreme.hardcore-space.com/ redirects to http://www.settopsex.com/index.shtml?mariosantos http://www3a.sexcropolis.com/asian/s...im/nude08.html redirects to http://www.123sextv.com/pt=xsw103/ http://www3.pimpserver.com/www3/jpura/j10/see.html redirects to http://www.123sextv.com/ [sic] http://www2.playerdome.net/www2/hard/u14/prev.html redirects to http://www.123sextv.com/pt=xsw106/ http://www2.maxismut.com/www2/bin07/bird1401.htm redirects to http://130.94.141.145/ [how to get free passwords type site] http://dojo.asian-space.com/fapics/g...sian135444.gal redirects to http://www.settopsex.com/index.shtml?mariosantos

These DID NOT Redirect WebTv Traffic Note DID NOT - THEY ARE GOOD!!!!! http://www.lightningfree.com/8/cccr/010/asian.html http://www.freehostzone.com/~asian/a443/asianx.html http://www.thundersex.com/personal7/...9/index04.html http://asian.adultfreespace.com/avbu...9/kogal59.html http://www.pornhome.com/asian/asians4you/3/index4.html http://creampuff-park.porncity.net/242/push/index0.html http://www10.smutserver.com/asian/jp.../2/html/j.html http://www.thunderfree.com/Lesbians/...8/lesbo18.html
stynk.com
xxxsexnow.com

THESE SPONSORS ARE ALL TESTED OK - READ COMMENST ON THE LAST ONE:

amateurpages - OK
iteens - OK (but pop up screws up my emulator) (TopBucks)
karasxxx (MAXCASH) - OK
rogerceleb (TrafficCashGold) - OK
justtoons (ARS) - OK
celebhotel.com (SilverCash) - OK
allteens (gammacash) - OK
cybererotica did not redirect my emulator, but according to their board - they do redirect

Notice that all the freehosts that redirect foreign traffic also redirect WebTV traffic (at least I think that is how it works out)



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