Dirty F

You stupid fuckfaces, when will you understand those people are fuckign defending their country! You are pissed because they kill American soldiers. Well what the fuck did you expect?

Americans kill their family's and destroy their cities. What you think, theyre gonna walk up to them and thank them.

If you dont like it get your ass out of THEIR country.

They have every fucking right to defend themselves. If its by cutting someones head off then so be it. Im pretty sure they rather use the American method, bomb some cities with stealth fighters but hey, thats not possible so they use knives instead. You call them animals while GW bush is sitting in the white house drinking of a cup of coffee while his troops are killing innocent children with long distance missiles. Maybe you should get a clue about who the real animal is here.

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but cutting heads is kinda barbaric.

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Dirty F

So if you use technology instead to murder people then its not barbaric?? Explain the difference to me.

Bombs and missiles that kill innocent people while theyre sleeping in their bed is alright?

Gothbox

The Syrians and Iranians that have come across the border to fight are defending their country, by fighting American and Coalition Soldiers in Iraq?

Was Margaret Hassan an American or Coalition Soldier? I could have swore that they said she had been working in Iraq for 25 years ( thats 24 years before we invaded) doing humanitarian aid work. Go tell her family that she deserved to have her legs and arms amputated and her throat slit, because they were only "defending their country"

G.W. sitting in the White House drinking coffee while "his troops are killing innocent civilians" is the most absurd statement I have ever heard. First of all, OUR soldiers willingly joined the military to become soldiers. Soldiers are for fighting wars. War is not a pretty thing. Get the picture?

What have you done lately to help change things, besides bitch and moan?

Tanker

whats the deal in Holland I heard they are taking over there

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I am just asking cause I have heard so many people talking about it lately I think its cause a few of the employees I work with are in Holland

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woodman

How does targeting ones own citizens via car bombs, mortar attacks, etc. constitute defending their own country? These same fucking "defenders" just shot a killed a lady who had nothing but charity work in Iraq for 25 years.

Although I am waiting for Rich and company to expound on the conspiracy theory that it was actually W that had her kidnapped, videotaped ,and shot to rouse anger around the world.

abadfish

Exactly... I think they have killed more of their own citizens "defending" them then the military has.

Most of the people fighting in Iraq against the coaltion aren't even Iraqi and they don't give a shit about Iraq.

Tanker

I 100% agree the people are are fighting are the insurgnts that are trying to come into the country and fight the US forces. The US forces are there to get rid of them

unfortunatly the iraqi people that live in the slums are recruited by these insurgents and promised big things and told things that that are totally untrue all to get them to fight along side them


the Iraqi people want thier country back and thats what the soldiers are there to do ( yeah there might be this oil shit thing in there too I wont deny that ) if you get rid of the insurgents from syria iran and saudi I can almost gaurantee that fighting would cease almost completely its never going to go away all together hell we have gang wars all the time in the USA and well that kind of thing is so out of hand thier in Iraq because there is soo much poverty and well poverty breeds gangs and gang warfar and right now those gangs built by insurgents are fighting the US soldiers

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dropped9

Shhh dont give the morons a clue...

Tanker

Those insurgents dont give a shit about Iraqis they are there to fight the USA and well if they can recruit some iraqis that have nothing to lose well they are gonna recruit as many as they can because it will stir up all this shit about us attacking iraqis the insurgents are getting exactly what they want everyone to thing we are trying to occupy Iraq when in reality if the insurgents left and the iraqis could build thier army and police force to a reasonable number so that they could defend themselves from the insurgents we could walk away but the insurgetns are killing the iraqi troops as they get out of boot camp


get the insurgents out and they might stand a chance to rebuild thier country

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I think he will understand when the insurgents in Holland become active and start working thier magic in Dam Square

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Lykos

that's all sad

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Dirty F

I see Bush is doing his job with his lies. All the Iraqi's love Americans and the one that are fighting the Americans are terrorists.

Newsflash: I think 90% of the Iraqi's want nothing else than the Americans to leave asap. They didnt ask for an invasion and they dont want an invasion. Bush and his troops made a bigger shithole of Iraq than it ever was. Those were didnt live nicely, now they live in a horror. 1000's of innocent people get killed, city's are destroyed, people losing their kids, kids losing their parents...and why? Because of WMD? No really tell me why, give me a good reason why America is there.

Rich

I couldn't agree with you more Battus, it's amazing to me how a lot of people think their version of war is somehow humane because it's high tech and the media makes it look fun and easy on TV. They forget, if it wasn't for them, there wouldn't be a war right now. Like you said, I'm sure these "insurgents" would rather fire cruise missiles into Washington then having to resort to knives.

I also love the new line that everyone fighting against America is from outside of Iraq. That's really the icing on the ignorance cake.

lmfao, unlike how Americans were sold the war. Don't you see the irony in that statement? What's the difference between lying to someone's face to get them to fight a war, and lying on a massive scale using CNN?

Personally the only thing I'd need to know to get me fighting in this situation is, "there's another country bombing your country, they've been here for almost two years and they're still in charge, and still killing innocent people". I don't see what lies these so called evil "insurgents" would have to tell people.

directfiesta

I already posted link showing the US saying they found very few " foreigners" ...

Show a link to your claims ...

The biggest numbers of foreign fighters is about 140 000 .... Figure it out!

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I am impressed by the pychic ability of those who know that all the insurgents are not Iraqis especially when they can determine this without even knowing how many insurgents are involved or even what their faces look like.

"The fighters are not Iraqis they are outsiders"...isn't it funny how that fits perfectly into the theory that the Iraqis want the US there.

Please stopped being duped by obvious propoganda.

Many news reporters are saying that the Sunni insurgents are former Baath party people and others from Sadams regime; but somehow some poeple only hear the state departments propoganda.

Wake the fuck up. The state dept. propoganda is what got us into this unwinable bullshit to start with.

"We will be welcomed as liberators"
"They have weapons of mass destruction"
"Mission achomplished"
"Sadam and Osama work together"


At what point do people stop listening to fucking lies.

Gothbox

That explains everything. "I think" LOL

Personally I have never spoke with George Bush, so I can't see how he is feeding me full of lies, and contrary to popular belief, the American President doesn't control everything, nor does he make ALL decisions regarding our country.

Idiots like you make it sound like Bush personally sent out his little helpers to steal 18+ year old able bodied people in the middle of the night to make them join the military, then he forced them to go kill innocent civilians in another country for reasons unknown, and all the while his little secret helpers are forcing the media to show and print only what he wants us to know. and he does all this while sitting on a thrown in his castle.

We have a government for christ sakes, and that government is made up of democrats and republicans, it's not just the George Bush show, like you want to believe.

Get a clue already.

Rich

He doesn't make it sound like that at all. How old are you?

Tanker

I agree we should not have gone there I served 8 years in the Marines and Army. I trained to do this for years.

however if we walked away from there like everyone wants and pulled our aid it would be 10 times worse there would become a civil war and neigboring countries who are all of different tribes sunnis, kurds, shiites they would all try to get a piece too not the country itself but the fundamentalist would beging invading even more

They all want to controll fellujah

Sadam did do one thing right he had the country on lockdown and controlled everything so that these radicals could not take over the country However he was one of those radicals that took the country himself he just was able to keep anyone else from taking it (neighbors telling on neighbors out of fear because they know) shit like that

the thing we did wrong was removed him without a way to keep the controll of the boarders in place so that these radicals could not get in and start the upheaval

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Rich

Seriously, put a couple periods into that paragraph, it's almost unreadable. You're even starting to write like the CNN ticker.

Tanker

I dont like periods,so I took that key off! JK

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SuckOnThis

Personally I've never spoken to you but I can see that you're not the brightest star in the sky.

Dirty F

Ahahaha

Gothbox

Of course he wouldn't to you. You are just as naive as he is, and what does my age have to do with anything?

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blackmonsters

But then some arrogant assed redneck thought he was smarter than Sadam and could do it all better so here we are.

See ya in 10 years. Maybe it will be in control by then!

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Al-Queda is there as a smokescreen and to kill as many americans as possible. The smokescreen is to focus all of our attention there as they plan thier next attack and keep us diverted from Osama and while they do it they want to kill as many americans because that is what al-queda is about...

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Rich

hmm, being called naive by a person who minutes ago said " Personally I have never spoke with George Bush, so I can't see how he is feeding me full of lies". I think I like the sounds of that, keep questioning my intelligence please.

I asked your age because I'm sick of all the kids who get on this board and try to involve themselves in discussions that require a real understanding of the world, not having watched 30 minutes of CNN a day for the past two years. Not that there aren't plenty of older people who think on the same level.

Rich

lol, thanks for the info.

Nanda

Agree!!

Right! How is killing people who have nothing to do with this acceptable??


My best fiend is in Iraq right now, I get an email from her once inawhile...she has actual contact with the Iraqis and she says that they like Americans...my friend's brother just got back from Iraq and says the same things. He actually received gifts from Iraqis that are thankful to him and other troops. So unless you know first hand like these people...don't speak!

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Yep, lots of fiends in Iraq right now.

Rich

Unless you have one, don't speak!

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Rich

Don't you realize that posting that over and over again makes you look like a retard? It's not even funny. Just trying to help bro.

Fred Quimby

Hey Batt,,,do you know what the term 'insurgent' means w/o looking it up?

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I maybe jumping into something I don't really want to....

But I disagree with Battuss. I disagree with Rich and I am not sure I am on board with my fiance Tanker.

I am posting this because I agree with Nanda.

How can any of us possibly say what is going on over there unless we know first hand?

I think it is terrible that there are so many young lives being taken. I think is terrible that there are Americans, Iraqis and many others dying for something that they probably don't really believe in or really understand.

Do I think any of us have a right here to have a real opinion based on what we are seeing in the news? No.

Battuss' opinions and Rich's opinions are no more based on the truth then the ones CNN or Fox spits out everyday that Tanker has brought up.

They are opinions and everyone is entitled to one.

Battuss: "Newsflash: I think 90% of the Iraqi's want nothing else than the Americans to leave asap."

Who made this newsflash? You? So it must be right?

Rich: "I don't see what lies these so called evil "insurgents" would have to tell people."

So then you think the insurgents are not "evil"? You believe them to be good people just defending what is theirs? Or was it ever theirs?

No one is right and no one is wrong. If it were that black and white I don't think much would be going on in Iraq at all.

Just my

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PenisFace

The insurgency is a lie.

Edit: The foreign insurgency. The Iraqi's are doing their part in battling the evil doers, however.

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Rich

Obviously they're not all "good people", but they're certainly not evil and they have more justification to be fighting right now than America does. They're not the "terrorists" and "foreign fighters" they make them out to be in the US, I don't need a best friend in Iraq to tell me that (although I know several people there right now, that's irrelevant to anything). They've been invaded, their towns destroyed, their history lost and their families killed. They have no power, food, or jobs, and America is building 14 state of the art bases, and handing out oil and reconstruction projects to Americans, not Iraqi's.

They're fighting back just like I would do if American tanks were rolling down the streets of my town. What's America's reason for invading again? It changes so often people don't even know today's line anymore.

WarChild

It's funny how polarized each side is.

News flash guys: There's Iraqi's, not iraqi's, flat out terrorists and all sorts of factions at work in Iraq right now.

Rich, you're as far to the other extreme as the people you make fun of. You make it sound as if every armed retard in Iraq right now is a father trying to defend his children and family. You mock others for their news sources, while relying on news sources yourself. You've never been there, I've never been there and neither of us know.

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Rich

That's not what I think at all, as I said they're "obviously not all good guys". As you can see what I plainly said was "they're certainly not evil and they have more justification to be fighting right now than America does".

I only sound like I'm an extremist if you watch a lot of US television. I'm not going to get into a debate over people calling CNN and Fox "news", because it isn't, but I don't want to argue about it. If you want to think every other journalistic periodical outside of America is completely anti-American, you just go ahead.

Rich

All of the "we don't know, we're not there, let's just ignore it" people, start ignoring these threads.

With that logic we should simply not pay attention to anything our government does because we're not physically there. That's actually the complete opposite of what you're supposed to do in a democratic society.

JSA Matt

it's amazing you can hate a country you cannot live without, get a clue

Rich

I assume you're talking about the Americans and Iraq, I totally agree.

Eve

This is a joke, right?

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I was thinking of Battuss and America but that actually works too

WarChild

I'm just saying, I get the same zealous feeling from you that I do the other side. I've never watched Fox news in my entire life. I do watch CNN, among others.

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there is no need to discuss. people just want to believe what they would like to believe..
even if it is 100% proved they are wrong. you cant change their minds. there are brainwashed..

(even if i repeat myself on here, but since i read this report, its useless to discuss the iraq war anylonger)

"College Park, MD: Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program."

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This festering flowerbox of dog semen ...


how about you fags shut the fuck up and we look at some things important such as the food in america?

I shop at fred meyer. I have a diet consisting of spelt, raisins, smart balance, beer and an occasionaly soda. This is all worth eating in my town minus cocaine. cocaine is pretty cool. Food really sux in america. Go look at ice cream. mil,k sugar, dead cow stomach. acrossed the entire spread, same shit, nothing special.

hacking thousands of cows to death a day, chope them up, get the meat to the stores and use the rest of the body parts making sick food. Mono and diglycerides (not specified vegetable)? You ever see those in the food you eat? Know what they are? Procssed cow guts.